AUKUS

[JeanKhul]

Hypersonic ? It's really time to start working on it ! and US 80%, UK 19 %... and Oz 1% does seem a good plan.

Now for the huge and painful cancellation fee : dressing it up as a 1st April joke is a pityful way of denial .....

[Going Boeing]

The technology to get Scramjet engines running was developed by the University of Queensland which was further developed by DARPA. Also, an Australian company has now designed a Scramjet engine that is much simpler (with a lot less moving parts) and can be 3D printed so the cost will be brought down to a level suitable for use in missiles so Australia is contributing to the project.

JeanKhul, you appear to have an issue with the contract cancellation but it was the right decision and it occurred at a point before further commitments were required. As part of the compensation, Naval Group now has a massive assembly building in Cherbourg, France that was built by French workers and paid for by Australian taxpayers - they are still winning despite the cancellation.

[tartare]

Indeed - and it's real, and it works - unlike Russia's pathetic attempt to dress up the air-launched Iskander as some kind of new hypersonic missile.
See: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...et-test-flight

[Going Boeing]

Originally Posted by tartare

Indeed - and it's real, and it works - unlike Russia's pathetic attempt to dress up the air-launched Iskander as some kind of new hypersonic missile.
See: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...et-test-flight

This is why I hope the RAN selects the Virginia class SSN as its Virginia Payload Tubes will be capable of storing/launching 3 hypersonic missiles in each tube.

I believe the Astute class would require massive redesign to accommodate these missiles which are not torpedo tube compatible.

[Doors Off]

Originally Posted by JeanKhul

Hypersonic ? It's really time to start working on it ! and US 80%, UK 19 %... and Oz 1% does seem a good plan.

Now for the huge and painful cancellation fee : dressing it up as a 1st April joke is a pityful way of denial .....

C’mon Cobba, don’t confuse your emotions with facts. Put some of your energy from hate into learning. The Australian Aerospace industry and education sectors have been heavily involved both National and multi-National Hypersonic projectile, flightcraft and engine development for well over a decade now. This is not new, news. Google Woomera Hypersonic research, you will be pleasantly surprised about what you learn.

[rattman]

Also LM and Raytheon have been selected/agreed to be prime partners on the sovreign missile program. Dont what missiles they will acutally build locally t considering the range raytheon - Javenlin (with LM), Stinger, Tow, Iron dome, Davids sling, Tommahawk SM-2 / 6, AMMARAN, storm breaker, JSM, NASAM, Patriot (with LM) and LM have a few like spike, PrSM and LRASM

[SpazSinbad]

TRAWLing as one does from time to time thru the BIG PDF online I came across these five PDF pages about plans in 2017? for transferring part or all of Garden Island (G.I.) now called Fleet Base East (or somfinkdiff by now) to Jervis Bay (JB) but the Marine Park was a problem. The site shown is where the ATOMIC REACTOR was going to be built - I believe the foundations for some buildings may still be there - but I have not been at the site for a LONG TIME - now that I think of it - perhaps a car park was constructed. In the early 1970s the Reactor plus a steel mill on NW shore line started a land buying frenzy around Nowra.

[tartare]

Originally Posted by Going Boeing

This is why I hope the RAN selects the Virginia class SSN as its Virginia Payload Tubes will be capable of storing/launching 3 hypersonic missiles in each tube.

I believe the Astute class would require massive redesign to accommodate these missiles which are not torpedo tube compatible.

Same.
I'd be going with Uncle Sam if I was them.
If they're revealing HAWC successes now - then suspect they're well on the way with other weapons.
With help from us of course as noted by earlier posters.
Area 51 and White Sands aren't the only big, empty, sandy places around...

[golder]

I think.
Virginia 138 / Astute 98 = less crew = end of story.

[tartare]

Originally Posted by golder

I think.
Virginia 138 / Astute 98 = less crew = end of story.

So, too costly to train and maintain the number of crew for the fleet - noting extras needed for rotation?

[ORAC]

Speaking of missiles…

https://www.defensenews.com/global/a...several-years/

Australia accelerates missile upgrade program by several years

[Asturias56]

Both the UK and the USA have problems building SSN's fast enough - however the US has significantly more capacity and a a programme which stretches out for far longer. They are also somewhat further ahead with the design of a possible long term replacement. It would be crazy to buy Astutes rather than Virginia's IMHO - the RAN is going to spend 99% of it's operational time working with the USN and 1% with the RN

[tartare]

So as well as new loadouts for the jets and subs, imagine there might also be a few hypersonic missile TEL vehicles roaming around the Territory a few years from now.

[ORAC]

Australia, Britain and the United States have asked Japan to join the security pact AUKUS, Sankei newspaper reported, citing multiple government sources.

AUKUS expects synergy with Japanese technologies on areas such as hypersonic weapons and electronic warfare, Sankei said.

For those amongst us who can read Japanese..

https://www.sankei.com/article/20220...FHLLJHSZHUYQU/

[rattman]

Originally Posted by ORAC

Australia, Britain and the United States have asked Japan to join the security pact AUKUS, Sankei newspaper reported, citing multiple government sources.

AUKUS expects synergy with Japanese technologies on areas such as hypersonic weapons and electronic warfare, Sankei said.

For those amongst us who can read Japanese..

https://www.sankei.com/article/20220...FHLLJHSZHUYQU/

Only real surprise to me is that they weren't asked from day one.

I still think an aukus +, US, UK, Aus, Japan, Singaore and SK should be created as a equals

[Gnadenburg]

Singapore? I’d prefer not. Often opportunistic and fence-sitting, and at best, a facade democracy. AUKUS is a high-end technological and security pact. I really fail to see where Singapore could be trusted.

[Captain Dart]

I suppose that would make it JAUKUS.

[layman]

Gnadenburg

agree with your comments on Singapore (a Claytons democracy?)

But ... they are "very" independent and, from admittedly old inside information (I knew someone who knew someone who ...... knew someone at the top levels of government - so very reliable !!)

Singapore are (at least used to be) paranoid about China claiming Singapore as part of their territory.

I was also told that their military usually used to go on high alert several times a year, mainly because of Malaysia (Mahathir at the time) and Indonesia (mainly Suharto), so they tended to be 'well drilled'. I don't know about since then.

[Asturias56]

"I really fail to see where Singapore could be trusted."

Jeez - if we can't trust Singapore who do we trust in Asia? Or anywhere else??

[Gnadenburg]

The context was clearly in terms of AUKUS like arrangements eg : technological transfers and weapons development. Singapore is walking a strategic tightrope between the US and China. It’s complicated and I doubt they would even want to be aligned as closely as an AUKUS type arrangement as it may jeopardise their desires for CCP treasure.