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Old 8th March 2022 | 07:28
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Go away with your facts. OK admit I was lazy and just assumed. Sorry

One of the locations is the a federal land reseve that was put aside for the nuclear reactor way back when.
I know, I know, and I’m sorry. I obviously forgot it was a Rumour network. All good mate. Im pretty sure that the ole Nuke site is out of bounds, probably out the front of that base though, May be what they recommended? That said, if the rain keeps up they could put it in Katoomba.
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Old 8th March 2022 | 08:15
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"Navy recomended sydney"

Some thing s never change - there was tremendous reluctance of in the RN to relocating to Scapa Flow from the Firth of Forth (Edinburgh) pre WW1 largely on social grounds

and of course the DNS/DE&S organisation designing warships was in Bath - very nice to live but about as far away from a major shipyard as it was possible to get.
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Old 8th March 2022 | 09:23
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Why would you not base them in Brisbane?
Less transit time to South China Sea.
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Old 8th March 2022 | 11:18
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Why would you not base them in Brisbane?
Less transit time to South China Sea.
Brisbane is very shallow for quite a way out and lots of obstructions. Hence the preference for the aforementioned locations.
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Old 8th March 2022 | 11:37
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As doors off said, it's shallow. Brisbane has the Great Barrier Reef. A sub base needs deep water off shore and a wide arc of travel. It looks like, built in Adelaide, a sub base near Perth and a sub base near Sydney. Sydney will fix manning issues.
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Old 8th March 2022 | 20:48
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I don’t think the Barrier Reef would affect operations out of Brisbane as it ends further North.

The advantage of a Brisbane base (compared to Sydney or Port Kembla) is that it would mean 4 additional days on station per operational deployment (saving 2 transit days each way).


With an election looming, they are leaking information about this bit by bit to stay in the headlines.

New East coast nuclear submarine base to be established

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Old 9th March 2022 | 11:29
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I don’t think the Barrier Reef would affect operations out of Brisbane as it ends further North.

The advantage of a Brisbane base (compared to Sydney or Port Kembla) is that it would mean 4 additional days on station per operational deployment (saving 2 transit days each way).


With an election looming, they are leaking information about this bit by bit to stay in the headlines.

New East coast nuclear submarine base to be established
They are just trying to change the conversation about their woeful response to covid. Anything is better than nothing. Their campaign will be security, strong on china. (who sold them the Darwin port, that upset the yanks at the time?) Opposition will ruin Australia, fear works on voters.
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Old 9th March 2022 | 21:25
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"Navy recomended sydney"

Some thing s never change - there was tremendous reluctance of in the RN to relocating to Scapa Flow from the Firth of Forth (Edinburgh) pre WW1 largely on social grounds

and of course the DNS/DE&S organisation designing warships was in Bath - very nice to live but about as far away from a major shipyard as it was possible to get.
Wonder why this post makes me think of a RAAF base near Newcastle.

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Old 10th March 2022 | 21:13
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Well there you go - there's a much more fundamental problem with basing the subs in Brisbane.
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-bay-australia
Note to Australian Government - deployment of jellyfish as a weapon of mass destruction may be a viable option!
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Old 16th March 2022 | 21:37
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Yeah the JELLY wobblies around Brissie can be a worry. Jervis Bay is a marine national park these days: jervis bay marine park map - Google Search

Meanwhile: Report to Congress on AUKUS Nuclear Cooperation 16 Mar 2022
https://news.usni.org/2022/03/16/rep...ar-cooperation

CRS PDF: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documen...ch-11-2022.pdf (0.2Mb)
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Old 25th March 2022 | 08:28
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Despite a lot of “experts” saying that it is unlikely for the nuclear powered submarines to be built in Australia, the Federal Government seems determined and is pushing ahead with significant expansion of ASC Submarine construction infrastructure. They have just secured a very large parcel of land (45 hectares) adjacent to ASC North to facilitate this expansion.

Sky News interview with Simon Birmingham



Land leased for ASC expansion


Defence Connect article about the land acquisition

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Old 1st April 2022 | 17:55
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On Friday April 1st (today) :
"Is it true that australian taxpayers will have to pay 5,5 billions australian dollars for non-existent submarines ? " asked Senator Penny Wong (opposition leader) at Canberra.
"It will be something like that" did answer Defense Secretary Tony Dalton

Sort of cancellation fees.
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Old 2nd April 2022 | 09:53
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On Friday April 1st (today) :
"Is it true that australian taxpayers will have to pay 5,5 billions australian dollars for non-existent submarines ? " asked Senator Penny Wong (opposition leader) at Canberra.
"It will be something like that" did answer Defense Secretary Tony Dalton

Sort of cancellation fees.
Election time play on words by Wong. 5.5B is what has been expended so far up to contract cancellation. Many media outlets have taken this to be that we are paying 5.5B is to severe the contract which is incorrect. The actual cancellation costs would be a fraction of this amount.
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Old 2nd April 2022 | 12:20
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$5B is better than $12B++ for boats that are not what is needed/wanted and which you are stuck with till it is politically possible to replace them.

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Old 3rd April 2022 | 09:40
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..... for boats that are not what is needed/wanted
Customer changing his mind after signing the deal = not the fault of the seller/manufacturer = cancellation fee. But they can do what they want with their taxpayers' money (they probably have too much of it)


" Leak Reveals First Details Of Australia’s New AUKUS Submarine "

(Naval news, April 1st)

Australians expecting that their Navy will get Virginia or Astute class nuclear submarines have had their hopes dashed. Documents reveal that the go-forward AUKUS design will be based on an enlarged Collins Class submarine. The new class of submarine will be almost as large as the French Barracuda design (or in other words…. smaller)
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Leak Reveals First Details Of Australia’s New AUKUS Submarine "

(Naval news, April 1st)

Australians expecting that their Navy will get Virginia or Astute class nuclear submarines have had their hopes dashed. Documents reveal that the go-forward AUKUS design will be based on an enlarged Collins Class submarine. The new class of submarine will be almost as large as the French Barracuda design (or in other words…. smaller)


Pity you did not read the entire "article" and check/recognise the significance of the date.

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Old 3rd April 2022 | 14:05
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Originally Posted by Gne
Leak Reveals First Details Of Australia’s New AUKUS Submarine "

(Naval news, April 1st)

Australians expecting that their Navy will get Virginia or Astute class nuclear submarines have had their hopes dashed. Documents reveal that the go-forward AUKUS design will be based on an enlarged Collins Class submarine. The new class of submarine will be almost as large as the French Barracuda design (or in other words…. smaller)


Pity you did not read the entire "article" and check/recognise the significance of the date.

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How good is April Fools!😂 Gets them every time.
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Old 4th April 2022 | 08:44
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The whole story of this new submarine program is a joke. Let's wait and see you 10 years from now.
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Old 4th April 2022 | 13:13
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Worth watching!

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Old 5th April 2022 | 19:49
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US, UK, Australia team up on hypersonic weapons with eye on Russia and China

LONDON — The U.S., the U.K. and Australia will start joint work on hypersonic missile technology and electronic warfare capabilities under the umbrella of the AUKUS security pact.….
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