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UK unveils new next generation fighter jet, the 'Tempest'

Old 5th Jul 2023, 16:16
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Full steam ahead it seems…

Francis Tusa:

An interesting 2 days at @BAESystemsAir Kingdom of Warton, looking at both GCAP/Tempest, as well as possible Typhoon evolutions. Just spent the morning on the phone, UK and int'l, to triangulate what we were briefed on, so a few thoughts...

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Excalibur lives https://www.janes.com/defence-news/a...flight-testing
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As well as Excalibur, QinetiQ now have their own trials platform…

https://www.qinetiq.com/en/news/qine...ast-jet-radome

QinetiQ successfully conducts inaugural flight test with fitted fast jet radome

In partnership with BAE, QinetiQ’s Airborne Technology Demonstrator delivers landmark trial of future radar and sense integration capabilities.



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Old 9th Aug 2023, 13:31
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Is that an F3 radome?
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Looks more like Typhoon to me (no probe, but I may be wrong).
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Originally Posted by SLXOwft
Looks more like Typhoon to me (no probe, but I may be wrong).
Correct its a test bird for Typhoons not tempest
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More on the new radar for the Typhoon

The UK Ministry of Defence (MOD) has awarded BAE Systems a £870 million contract to deliver a new radar for the Royal Air Force’s (RAF) Typhoon fighter jet fleet.

The new radar, called the European Common Radar System Mk2 (ECRS Mk2), will enhance the Typhoon’s air control capabilities and provide it with cutting-edge electronic warfare capabilities.

Multi-function array radar (MFA)

The ECRS Mk2 is a multi-functional array (MFA) radar that can perform both traditional radar functions, such as search and targeting, as well as electronic warfare tasks.

This means that the Typhoon will be able to detect and jam enemy radars, as well as track multiple targets in the air and on the ground simultaneously.

The contract is part of the UK Government’s £2.35 billion investment in the continued technology advancements in Typhoon capabilities. The ECRS Mk2 is expected to enter service with the RAF in the early 2030s.

The new radar will be a significant upgrade for the Typhoon fleet, which is currently equipped with the CAPTOR-E radar. The CAPTOR-E is a capable radar, but the ECRS Mk2 will provide the Typhoon with a significant increase in range, accuracy, and electronic warfare capabilities.

The ECRS Mk2 is being developed by BAE Systems and Leonardo UK. The work is expected to create and sustain more than 600 highly-skilled jobs across the UK.

The delivery of the ECRS Mk2 is a significant milestone in the continued development of the Typhoon fighter jet. The Typhoon is a highly capable and versatile aircraft, and the ECRS Mk2 will further enhance its capabilities, making it one of the most advanced fighter jets in the world.

Benefits of the ECRS Mk2 radar

The ECRS Mk2 radar will provide a number of benefits for the RAF Typhoon fleet, including:
  • Increased range and accuracy
  • Enhanced electronic warfare capabilities
  • The ability to track multiple targets simultaneously
  • Improved situational awareness
  • Increased survivability
The ECRS Mk2 will also be compatible with future upgrades to the Typhoon, such as the integration of new weapons and sensors.

The future of the Typhoon

The Typhoon is the most advanced aircraft in the RAF’s inventory, and it is used for a variety of roles, including air superiority, ground attack, and reconnaissance.

A highly agile aircraft, and it is currently equipped with a state-of-the-art avionics suite. This allows it to operate in all weather conditions, and it can engage targets both within and beyond visual range.

The RAF Typhoon has been deployed in a number of operations, including the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the 2011 intervention in Libya, and the ongoing fight against ISIS. It has also been used for air policing duties, and it has been involved in a number of training exercises.

The Typhoon is a highly capable and versatile aircraft, and the ECRS Mk2 radar will further enhance its capabilities.

The Typhoon is expected to remain in service with the RAF until the 2040s, and the ECRS Mk2 will ensure that it remains a formidable adversary for decades to come.
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according to Flight it won't be delivered for years.................
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Was the Typhoon really involved in the 2003 invasion of Iraq? GW2 started in March 2003. Typhoon entry into service wasn't until later that year, August?
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No.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-tempest-gcap

Saudis ask to join UK, Italy and Japan’s joint air combat programme

Saudi Arabia has asked the UK, Japan and Italy to be made a full partner in their joint effort to build the next generation of fighter jets, in a move backed by the British government.

Companies from the UK, Japan and Italy are working together to build a new fighter jet and other systems such as drones under the Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP), also known as Tempest. The programme aims to deliver the first planes by 2035, a tight turnaround.

The addition of Saudi Arabia to the programme could be attractive for the partners because of the potential for sharing the billions of pounds in costs with one of the world’s biggest defence spenders, but may create tensions between them…..

Within the trio of GCAP partners, the UK is understood to be leading the effort to add Saudi Arabia. However, Japanese officials have expressed firm opposition to the Saudis joining, according to the Financial Times, which first reported the request. Japan has been slowly loosening controls on weapons exports that were part of its legacy of pacifism after the second world war.

A senior UK defence source said: “The kingdom of Saudi Arabia is one of the UK’s strategic partnerships and UK defence is keen to deepen work on GCAP. We see Saudi Arabia as a key partner in the fighter programme and we are working to ensure strong progress as soon as possible.”

Saudi Arabia has had its eye on joining Tempest for some time. It signed a memorandum of understanding with the UK in March saying that the countries would carry out a “partnering feasibility study” to look at a future combat air partnership and closer industrial collaboration. Its defence minister, Khalid bin Salman, tweeted that the deal meant the country would join the international jet effort, only for the UK to hurriedly say it was a separate agreement.

It is thought that the talks on Saudi Arabia joining formally are still at a relatively early stage, and are being handled in the UK by the MOD….
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As I see it, while any agreement may be with the partners, Saudi Arabia is not averse to sharing it's information and technology with some of the UK's more agressive opponents.. The Japanese are well aware of Saudi backdoor connections and in my opinion, have adopted the correct approach to the project and ruled out accepting Saudi's contribution. It should not be all about money, unfortunately for the UK, any potential partners will leverage their greed to get what they want.

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A fundamentally ridiculous position, the U.K. needs to turn this off immediately. There’s a long way to go in trusting KSA across all facets despite recent reforms.
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we need their money I'm afraid - we can't afford to do it ourselves
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
we need their money I'm afraid - we can't afford to do it ourselves
We are not doing it alone, we are doing it with Japan and Italy, that is 3 of the wealthiest nations on the planet. We do not need money from the likes of the Saudi Royal Family.
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Keep your friends close - and your enemies closer. Plus the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

If they buy from us we have sway in updates, spares, software etc - and currently a reasonably stable regime surrounded b6 Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen etc where, currently, the West still has an 8nterest in oil supplies.

Or would it be better for us if China takes over as their supplier with J-20s etc and becomes the predominate influence and oil customer?

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Keep your friends close - and your enemies closer. Plus the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

If they buy from us we have sway in updates, spares, software etc - and currently a reasonably stable regime surrounded b6 Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen etc where, currently, the West still has an 8nterest in oil supplies.

Or would it be better for us if China takes over as their supplier with J-20s etc and becomes the predominate influence and oil customer?
Agreed. Not sure why some are against this. After all we did sell Tornado, Hawk and Typhoon to the RSAF.
Yes I do understand that this is a proposal to join in the development of the new fighter jet as opposed to acquisition. But Saudi Arabia would most likely only have a very limited workshare because of their limited capabilities. They have as yet ordered any 5th generation jets and will need to either do that or join another new development programme with someone else who would be extremely eager to bring them onboard.
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Agreed. After all we did sell Tornado, Hawk and Typhoon to the RSAF.
Not to mention the Hunter, Lightning and of course the mighty Westland Wapiti!

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" We do not need money from the likes of the Saudi Royal Family."

At times over the last 50 years they've been effectively the only export customer for UK aircraft -- we know the costs of building new combat aircraft is so astronomical that effectively only the USA, China and a coalition of other countries can afford it - I can't see the UK, Japan & Italy being able to do it by themselves I'm afraid
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
" We do not need money from the likes of the Saudi Royal Family."

At times over the last 50 years they've been effectively the only export customer for UK aircraft -- we know the costs of building new combat aircraft is so astronomical that effectively only the USA, China and a coalition of other countries can afford it - I can't see the UK, Japan & Italy being able to do it by themselves I'm afraid
An entirely predictable opinion. I suppose it'd be rude to ask if you've got any facts to back it up?
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