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UK unveils new next generation fighter jet, the 'Tempest'

Old 19th Jul 2022, 13:42
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I wonder if they'll re-do the mock-up which has been doing the rounds at RIAT etc, in light of this design iteration? The mock-up looks kind of weird with its beak-like nose. It will still beat the F35 in the aesthetics department.
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Old 19th Jul 2022, 15:07
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The UK is to build a technology demonstrator of it Tempest Ö

Revised configuration model - page 2

https://informamarkets.turtl.co/stor...sue-2/page/7/1
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Old 19th Jul 2022, 16:02
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Interesting latest iteration if the design - looks far more like the proposed fighter-bomber version of the YF-23 than anything else - and obvious a long range interceptor in the mould of the F-3 than a short range dog fighter.
A whole day earlier I posted this:18th Jul 2022, 14:16

Adios to the Pregnant Pelican - UK to fly new Tempest demonstrator within five years.

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Meanwhile, in Korea:

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Old 19th Jul 2022, 23:11
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The farnborough PR machine is in full flow. Unlikely to lead to much concrete action.

Have been partly involved with a small project with a customer based in Japan. It's a complete pain all in the name of being polite and showing deference to the customer e.g. meetings carry on until the customer is happy - I left after being half hour over the end time on the last one. Also the time difference will cause integration problems. These may seem like small problems but will make life harder than it needs to be.

What have Warton actually done since the end of Typhoon major design? A lot of concepting and in service support on existing products. Unless something really interesting has been happening in the middle of nowhere Australia I think there will be some interesting times ahead. The exception to this is the work they've been doing in Turkey - I saw this as a means to get in to the actual Tempest program when jobs were being advertised during covid, but since clearances were apparently taking months because UKCS was/is on a go slow I couldn't wait around to find out.

I have low confidence we'll see a demonstrator in under 7 years if it even happens (and I'm going to say they'll claim virtual twins will allow them to not make a demonstrator....).
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Originally Posted by unmanned_droid
The farnborough PR machine is in full flow. Unlikely to lead to much concrete action.

Have been partly involved with a small project with a customer based in Japan. It's a complete pain all in the name of being polite and showing deference to the customer e.g. meetings carry on until the customer is happy - I left after being half hour over the end time on the last one. Also the time difference will cause integration problems. These may seem like small problems but will make life harder than it needs to be.

What have Warton actually done since the end of Typhoon major design? A lot of concepting and in service support on existing products. Unless something really interesting has been happening in the middle of nowhere Australia I think there will be some interesting times ahead. The exception to this is the work they've been doing in Turkey - I saw this as a means to get in to the actual Tempest program when jobs were being advertised during covid, but since clearances were apparently taking months because UKCS was/is on a go slow I couldn't wait around to find out.

I have low confidence we'll see a demonstrator in under 7 years if it even happens (and I'm going to say they'll claim virtual twins will allow them to not make a demonstrator....).
There is afaik no indication that Japan and Britain have agreed on the purpose of this 'demonstrator'.
While the basic technology may be common, there is a world of difference between a long range strike aircraft and a European air superiority fighter.
Presumably the hope is that melding British engine and aerodynamics know how with Japanese manufacturing capabilities, electronics and software skills will allow both parties to benefit.
However, I don't know of any such prior effort being successful.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 14:51
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The demonstrator is not an Anglo-Japanese programme, though it will have both Italian and Japanese participation.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 16:19
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Maybe this has already been answered, but why are they reusing old names now?

Seems odd that they can't think up new ones ... and unnecessarily confusing. They could even use a similar meteorological convention like Cyclone [1]

Texan and Bulldog are two more that got reused




[1] ok, cyclone was an engine and I guess Zephyr and Sirocco would be confusing too
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 17:42
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements
Maybe this has already been answered, but why are they reusing old names now? Seems odd that they can't think up new ones ... and unnecessarily confusing.
Many aircraft names have been reused over the years. I can't imagine it causing any confusion at all.
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Tempest seems an odd name especially when we have a Tempest that will fly this year, an original one.

So 5 years until it flies, 10 years using it to verify design and systems concept for the service variant, then another 5 years debating numbers and cost grounds of final design followed by us buying an off the shelf US aircraft, that we will then modify and generally muck about with adding billions and a further 5 year delay to in service date… how am I doing so far?
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I’d say 0/10.

Remember the EAP?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_EAP

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So as it will be a combined Japanese / U.K. aircraft and as you say 0/10

Then Zero it is.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2022-12-02/

Japan, Britain and Italy to announce joint fighter project as early as next week - sources

TOKYO, Dec 2 (Reuters) - Japan, Britain and Italy will announce a groundbreaking agreement as early as next week to jointly develop a new advanced jet fighter, two sources with knowledge of the plan told Reuters.

For Tokyo and London it represents the culmination of ever closer defence ties, which in turn give Britain a bigger security role in Asia and provide Japan with new security partners that can help it counter neighbouring China's growing military power.

The push to merge the British led Tempest jet fighter project with Japan's F-X fighter programme was first reported by Reuters in July. It will be the first time that Japan has collaborated with countries beyond the United States on a major defence equipment project.

The announcement will come before Japan releases a new national security strategy and military procurement plan around mid December, the sources said.

That arms build up, which could double the country's defence budget to around 5% of gross domestic product(GDP) over the next five years, will pay for new weapons including long-range missiles designed to deter China from resorting to military action in and around the East China Sea.

Talks between Japan, Britain and Italy on the new jet fighter, which will be led by BAE Systems Plc and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries will continue next year to hammer details of the project, such as work share and the designs of variants that each partner will deploy, the sources said.

Japan's ruling Liberal Democratic Party is also looking at proposals to relax its military export rules so that the joint jet fighter could be exported, Itsunori Onodera, a former Japanese defence minister and influential lawmaker said in an interview last month.
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Old 2nd Dec 2022, 13:34
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It would appear that congratulations are in order-almost.
TBH, I love the name "Tempest" and I hope it will be kept (even though our own forces doubtless won't buy any).
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VERY interesting thoughts from renowned US aerospace analyst Richard Aboulafia on the UK/Italy/ Japan 'Global Combat Air Programme' future fighter news: "this is an exceptional concept, for 8 reasons:"

https://richardaboulafia.com/november-2022-letter

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Old 15th Dec 2022, 10:59
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It's not often that I find an industry commentary entertaining, but that Richard Aboulafia article certainly made me smile.
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Certainly cynical over the Franco-German programme….
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
So as it will be a combined Japanese / U.K. aircraft and as you say 0/10

Then Zero it is.
What about Divine Wind if you need a met term? 😈

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'Cyclone' would be possible? Although the B model might have limited export potential to Germany or Israel??
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The Nakajima Ki-84's Japanese name Hayate - can translated Tempest, so the future RAF could be following Daves with Franks. ...hat, coat etc.
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