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UK unveils new next generation fighter jet, the 'Tempest'

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Old 20th Feb 2024, 12:27
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https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/over...ealth-fighter/

Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter

This is part of a budget of over £12 billion over the next 10 years.

The information came to light via a written response to a parliamentary question. James Cartlidge, Minister of State for the Ministry of Defence, stated:

“The March 2021 Defence Command Paper reaffirmed that that we will invest more than £2 billion in the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) out to 2025, and we have spent over £1.8 billion so far. This is part of a budget of over £12 billion over the next 10 years. The amount that we ultimately invest will be determined at future decision points.

Furthermore, the Ministry of Defence has invested over £1.1 billion in R&D through the Future Combat Air System Technology Initiative (FCAS TI), with a further £600 million from our Team Tempest industry partners to date.”

….Under the current timeline, the programme expects to begin the formal development phase from 2025, with a demonstrator to fly in 2027, and production aircraft to begin entering service from 2035.
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They showed a new model of GCAP at WDS. It's certainly a lot better looking than the 'Pregnant Pelican' full scale mock up.


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"Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter" is true as far as it goes but a little misleading - more accurate to say the money was spent on keeping BAe and others in business. Look tathe announcement the other day on teh money spent on "research" into a new UK N warhead - its the cost of maintaining an industry really
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter" is true as far as it goes but a little misleading - more accurate to say the money was spent on keeping BAe and others in business. Look tathe announcement the other day on teh money spent on "research" into a new UK N warhead - its the cost of maintaining an industry really
In your humble opinion of course. What's your point? Defence is of key strategic importance.
Think of it as money spent protecting the entire investment made on health, education, social welfare et.al. It:s also the price paid to stay at the cutting edge of technology and 'soft power' globally. I'd say the money spent is an absolute bargain. I'd wager the NHS alone wastes more money in one year than these defence budgets over their entire lifespans.
In my humble opinion of course.
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"Defence is of key strategic importance."

I agree of course ,as do almost everyone on here - but not to politicians, the Great British Public or most of the rest of the country. The issue starts when someone "weaponises" statements like "
Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter" and then suggests that this is outrageous waste, korupsi, madness and it should instead be spent on pensioners, the NHS, tax cuts...................... and that's what happens.

No-one ever sets out a coherent, consistent, long term strategy or UK defence/defence industry - it all seems to be made up every week to meet the latest photo call/Daily Mail headline..




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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"Defence is of key strategic importance."

I agree of course ,as do almost everyone on here - but not to politicians, the Great British Public or most of the rest of the country. The issue starts when someone "weaponises" statements like "
Over £1.8 billion spent so far on new stealth fighter" and then suggests that this is outrageous waste, korupsi, madness and it should instead be spent on pensioners, the NHS, tax cuts...................... and that's what happens.

No-one ever sets out a coherent, consistent, long term strategy or UK defence/defence industry - it all seems to be made up every week to meet the latest photo call/Daily Mail headline..
Ahhh. My bad. Apologies. Should have gone to Specsavers lol. Yes, agree and thanks for the clarification.
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No problem...............
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Nothing to do with air combat procedures

I believe that what can go wrong will go wrong - and to carry out an exercise with "poor exercise planning leaving the Typhoons encumbered by role equipment without the kit to remove it " may have inadvertently flagged a possible issue that presumably will stay with those responsible and (hopefully) ensure that if things turn hot they will remember the incident. We've managed to lose an F-35 due to simple procedures being forgotten/waived/ignored.
Out of interest (having re-roled and de-roled more fast jets that I care to remember) what specific kit do you need to remove role equipment from a Typhoon?
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No idea - see Easy Streets post #405 last november above
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Out of interest (having re-roled and de-roled more fast jets that I care to remember) what specific kit do you need to remove role equipment from a Typhoon?
Quite, but reading back the post 405, I'm guessing stillages for drop tanks? VAPs?
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Apologies if this is old information, but a very interesting read nonetheless:
https://www.aerosociety.com/news/the...ay-is-tempest/
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Quite, but reading back the post 405, I'm guessing stillages for drop tanks? VAPs?
Bingo. It was a few days in India enroute back from some east Asian exercise; they only had the kit which could be transported on the tanker, and if memory serves correctly even that was effectively hand tools only as the tanker had had to land at a different airfield. Of course, being British we were too polite (insecure?) to say "no" or perhaps even "you must be joking" to an invitation to some diplomatically-motivated activity, so BFM with tanks on against clean Su-27s it was, generating predictably awful PR for Typhoon in what should have been the prime of its export life. Still, got some nice photos eh?
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