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Old 24th Feb 2014, 19:58
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Years the Russians attacked first, talked later.

I am prepared to be corrected, but within living memory....
1939 v Poland.
1940 v Finland.
(Quite a few countries twixt 1940 and 1945 but in defence)
1945 v Japan.
1956 v Hungary.
1968 v Czechoslovakia.
1979 v Afghanistan.
1981 v Poland (?) or did I dream it?
1995 v somewhere ****e involving Chencyens? Or someone? Some loser country?
1999 v Kosova or was it almost NATO in Serbia or did I dream it? Something happened, I was almost involved as I have a medal but cant remember much ...
Also v. China sometime between here and Mao?
Georgia is on my mind as well for some reason. Who have I left out?


Gets a bit blurry. Sure Pruners have millions of tonnes of info and stories.
I will happily bet anyone on here a Marks and Spencer's Christmas Pudding (small size) the Russians do something in the months ahead.


Perhaps the question is..what will we do?
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Old 24th Feb 2014, 20:47
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Is that the Classic Christmas Pudding, or the Sugar Plum Christmas Pudding?
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Old 24th Feb 2014, 21:00
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Perhaps the question is..what will we do?
British have invaded nine out of ten countries - so look out Luxembourg - Telegraph

UK has only 22 countries it has not YET invaded.

US since WW2 has bombed

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90

Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94

Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011


Think they missing Yemen and Pakistan plus a few others.

US hasn't bombed Canada YET.
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Old 24th Feb 2014, 21:52
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They all had it comin to 'em.
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Old 24th Feb 2014, 22:01
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Frightening list of the USAs recent hit list. No one is whiter than white. I mean Peru? WTF?!
Our recent UK record is well documented and is...challenging to defend sometimes. Was it all necessary?


Here Russians are getting upset about the flattening of their war memorials in UKR, always an emotive thing.
Monument to soldiers who died liberating Ukraine from Nazis toppled (PHOTOS) ? RT News


How much notice would the west have of an imminent invasion if it came? How soon before our western media twigged something was about to happen?
I would have guessed its impossible to keep something like that a secret in this day and age (at least with land forces).
Strangely or not the FTSE finished a few points up today, so perhaps the harder faced people in the money markets mustn't be too freaked by it all. Perhaps nothing will happen at all.
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The US bombs Canadian Forces regularly, but only when they are abroad - probably something to do with the White House being razed the last time they attacked Canada directly.
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Old 24th Feb 2014, 22:35
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Ukranians Nationalist in the West slaughtered up to 300,000 Poles in WW2...........Organisation of Ukranian nationalists / Ukranian Insurgency Army.

Nice people..............not
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They all had it comin to 'em.
And when someone says that about 9/11 ?
Would you think it laughable as well ?
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Hangarshuffle - Peru was in co-operation with the Peruvian government, and against drug production sites (that were also funding the Shining Path maoist revolutionaries).

Lists like those tend to be compiled by those trying to degrade the target of the lists, and to be only loosely connected with reality.
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Racedo

Can I get you a tissue?
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 04:27
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"Think they missing Yemen and Pakistan plus a few others."

They have done both of those as well.
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Ukranians Nationalist in the West slaughtered up to 300,000 Poles in WW2...........Organisation of Ukranian nationalists / Ukranian Insurgency Army.

Nice people..............not


Mr and Mrs Gharkavy who live next door to us are from the Ukraine. I don't believe they've slaughtered anyone but maybe we should be careful.

Or were you indulging in a generalisation which, depending on your viewpoint, could be applied to every militarily powerful nation in the world (including ours) over the past 70 or so years?
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 07:27
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Well said strake.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 08:13
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How much notice would the west have of an imminent invasion if it came? How soon before our western media twigged something was about to happen?
There seems to be quite a few journos in the east of the country who may pick up a vibe that something is afoot. Not sure if there are any over the border in Russia. Of course they could be tipped off by our intelligence services that Russia was going to make a move.

Strangely or not the FTSE finished a few points up today, so perhaps the harder faced people in the money markets mustn't be too freaked by it all. Perhaps nothing will happen at all.
Down half a percent so far this AM - not sure if in response to Lavrov press conference or something else. I read over the weekend that there's a fair amount of western (primarily German) investment in Ukraine in their agricultural and industrial sector. Big potential fall-out if these get impeded/damaged or sequestered.

What I would like to know is what has happened to all those security forces and troops which were out and about up until last week. Have they all done a runner or are they confined to barracks? Also, whose keeping a watch on the armouries? Someone already appears to have got their hands on a BRDM, according to Sky this AM. Surely this must factor into any potential Russian move - the last thing they want is for every man and their dog to get their hands on an AK and RPG. Would make Chechnya look like a tea party.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 10:07
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It's an unusual Federation of Independent States that starts shooting at each other, but then there is Georgia I guess.
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Ukraine: Sevastopol installs pro-Russian mayor as separatism fears grow | World news | theguardian.com


Russian Citizen Elected Sevastopol Mayor Amid Pro-Moscow Protests in Crimea | News | The Moscow Times


Ukraine crisis fuels secession calls in pro-Russian south | World news | The Guardian


Crimea, Russian Stronghold in Ukraine, Is Ready to Fight Revolution | TIME.com
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 13:40
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Good post that dead-pan.

The Daily Mail is on scene.
New Ukraine leader pleads for unity as protesters in Crimea shout 'Russia, Russia' and experts say Moscow might ANNEX territory to protect its naval bases | Mail Online
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 14:42
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racedo: Damn, maybe we need to add Ukraine to our "must have bombed at some point in the future" list. Mustn't be sloppy, eh? I am sure they'd hate to feel left out.

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Obviously, didn't bomb them enough.

Guatemala 1954 (Please explain what you meant by this).
Indonesia 1958 (Please explain what you meant by this).

Cuba 1959-60 (Please explain in detail what you mean by this).
Guatemala 1960 (Please explain in detail what you mean by this).
Belgian Congo 1964 (Please explain in detail what you mean by this).
Guatemala 1964 (Please explain in detail what you mean by this).
Dominican Republic 1965-66 (Obviously, didn't bomb them enough either).
Peru 1965 (Please explain in detail what you mean by this).
Laos 1964-73 (Obviously, didn't bomb them enough either).
Vietnam 1961-73 (Again, didn't bomb them enough)
Cambodia 1969-70 (Likewise)
Guatemala 1967-69 (Please explain in detail what you mean by this).
Lebanon 1982-84 (Obviously, didn't bomb that lot nearly enough)
Grenada 1983-84 (Bombed the Cubans there just enough, it seems)
Libya 1986 (Obviously, didn't bomb that lot nearly enough)
El Salvador 1981-92 (Explain what you mean by that, in detail, of you please)
Nicaragua 1981-90 (Explain what you mean by that, in detail, of you please)
Iran 1987-88 (Yep, took out the oil rigs. "Bombed Iran" is not a term I'd use if I spoke the English language, but YMMV).

Libya 1989 (Really? I seem to recall shooting down aircraft. What bombing mission are you referring to? Details, if you please)
Panama 1989-90 (Bombed them just enough, if at all, and well done! )
Iraq 1991 (Possibly overbombed)
Kuwait 1991 (They bombed the Iraqis in Kuwait, thanks for playing)
Somalia 1992-94 (Obviously, didn't bomb any of them nearly enough. Please spell out what you mean by "bombed" as in "what aircraft bombed where in Somalia". Thanks in advance).

Note: your use of the term "bombed" is an interesting use of the English language.

Bosnia 1995 (Obviously, not nearly enough)
Iran 1998 (Prove that, if you please. Details.) Did you mean IRAQ, FFS?
Sudan 1998 (Obviously, not enough)
Afghanistan 1998 (For damned sure not enough)
Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999 (That one always puzzled me, and we have to thank Bill Clinton for not tellling the French "If you are so eager to bomb Serbia, go bomb them yourselves." Slightly overbombed, I'd say).
Afghanistan 2001 (Not nearly enough, obviously)
Libya 2011 (Pointless, once again helping our French friends) )

YOUR FORGOT IRAQ 2003-2010! Racedo, you are slipping.

It seems a pity that we have yet to bomb Darkest Surrey.
Would you like to schedule an appointment, so you can join the ranks of those wonderful folks so horribly abused by Uncle Sam?
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And when someone says that about 9/11 ?
Would you think it laughable as well ?
That's a pretty stupid question, racedo. The folk who feel "US had it coming" on 9-11 are the usual apologists for Al Queda and various terrorists.
West Coast is obviously not one of them.
You?

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Old 25th Feb 2014, 14:50
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In the spirit of compiling pointless lists, can I throw Australia into the mix of countries the US has bombed?

US Harrier jets drop bombs on Australia's Great Barrier Reef | Metro News
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I'll bet that showed a few sharks who not to mess with.
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