WW3 Battle of Britain
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Don't forget RAF Marchwood. Also Loch Ewe.
Not sure about how your research interfaces with a commercial product. If it is for wider consumption you must check the spelling of the different places:
Leuchars, Honington, etc
Not sure about how your research interfaces with a commercial product. If it is for wider consumption you must check the spelling of the different places:
Leuchars, Honington, etc
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ExRAFRadar, there is one asset problem with your mid-80s scenario.
The UK did not get the E3D until the early 90s and the NE3A did not get ESM equipment until the mid-90s. Your Blinder ARM launch therefore could only have been anticipated from the aircraft manoeuvre and detected after launch.
The UK did not get the E3D until the early 90s and the NE3A did not get ESM equipment until the mid-90s. Your Blinder ARM launch therefore could only have been anticipated from the aircraft manoeuvre and detected after launch.
L1 gave the picture from the continental sites ( Reitan, Maakeroy, Vesbaek, Neiuw Milligan, Doullens and Glons), links from Northern Norway through Denmark, Netherlands and France
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Pontius - Well spotted. I think there is a database problem. From what I can see the AN/AYR-1 Passive was available from about 91, but the database says the aircraft had it fitted from 85 onwards.
A few of us did say to the devs that you do realise you are taking on the most knowledgeable, cabbage colored people who know about this sort of thing.
And they take it on board.
The game is very much in it's infancy in terms of user base feedback.
But the promise of what it will become vastly out weighs any problems we see at the moment.
Cheers
A few of us did say to the devs that you do realise you are taking on the most knowledgeable, cabbage colored people who know about this sort of thing.
And they take it on board.
The game is very much in it's infancy in terms of user base feedback.
But the promise of what it will become vastly out weighs any problems we see at the moment.
Cheers
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"L1 gave the picture from the continental sites ( Reitan, Maakeroy, Vesbaek, Neiuw Milligan, Doullens and Glons), links from Northern Norway through Denmark, Netherlands and France. Plus we had a direst feed from Pole Star on the Faeroes and the Icelandic radars, so your radar cover has massive holes - not even counting the L11 picture from any NATO compatible frigate/destroyer/cruiser/carrier in the OPTASK LINK which, with CBGs in the GIUK gap would have been extensive."
The picture your seeing is a no-link picture. Basically 'We Stand Alone' type scenario.
At the moment if I want to garner a complete air picture I have to add all the bases you cite. Along with all the associated complications that will entail.
We are lobbying the dev's for an 'off board' capability that will allow this along with events that would turn off/on radar/intel/units as the war progresses.
Basically a list of 'Day 1 - complete air picture, Day - 2 - Northern radars and airbases in Norway go offline due to military action, Day 3-5 - Norway sues for peace (or whatever); Loss of Radar picture/interdiction of raids coming south. Day 7 - Iceland falls. Day 8 - We stand alone
The picture your seeing is a no-link picture. Basically 'We Stand Alone' type scenario.
At the moment if I want to garner a complete air picture I have to add all the bases you cite. Along with all the associated complications that will entail.
We are lobbying the dev's for an 'off board' capability that will allow this along with events that would turn off/on radar/intel/units as the war progresses.
Basically a list of 'Day 1 - complete air picture, Day - 2 - Northern radars and airbases in Norway go offline due to military action, Day 3-5 - Norway sues for peace (or whatever); Loss of Radar picture/interdiction of raids coming south. Day 7 - Iceland falls. Day 8 - We stand alone
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Day 8?
Every exercise/TACEVAL was based on the expectation they'd reach the Channel on day 3 and the nukes would be flying about
And in the real world the number assets, be it bodies, food, missiles, fuel was based on the same rationale. By day 8 we'd have been throwing bricks at them.
Every exercise/TACEVAL was based on the expectation they'd reach the Channel on day 3 and the nukes would be flying about
And in the real world the number assets, be it bodies, food, missiles, fuel was based on the same rationale. By day 8 we'd have been throwing bricks at them.
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ORAC, one Wintex was mega, lasted 3 weeks from the kick off IIRC and led to the GWAN system. I like to think we started that at ISK as we recalled guys we knew that had been posted to maritime staff jobs.
We even had the staish on the orbat. Ultimately the inevitable happened. I sent a message to Pitreavie along the lines "Regret to report . . . "
The reply came back "Deeply sorry to hear of the tragic loss. He owed me many beers."
We hadn't told the staish and when he heard be wanted copies of both messages for his scrap book
Endex occurred when SACEUR went nuclear with a demonstration of intent. It was, IIRC, first use. We expected a big bang somewhere. Expecting inevitable retaliation SACEUR opted for a real military effect as well as a political demonstration and struck 50 targets. Some demonstration.
Endex, IIRC, was about 15 minutes later.
We even had the staish on the orbat. Ultimately the inevitable happened. I sent a message to Pitreavie along the lines "Regret to report . . . "
The reply came back "Deeply sorry to hear of the tragic loss. He owed me many beers."
We hadn't told the staish and when he heard be wanted copies of both messages for his scrap book
Endex occurred when SACEUR went nuclear with a demonstration of intent. It was, IIRC, first use. We expected a big bang somewhere. Expecting inevitable retaliation SACEUR opted for a real military effect as well as a political demonstration and struck 50 targets. Some demonstration.
Endex, IIRC, was about 15 minutes later.
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WW3 - Callsigns
Been following the thread. I was at RAF Bawtry in 1973 working in the W/T cabin. Our ground call there for the V bombers and the Binbrook shining knights was "CHEESE BOBCAT". Does anybody remember that. Was chatting with the Scottish Air Marshal on one occasion when he was in the mob in 1997 and he recalled it fondly.
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DC, indeed, I vaguely remember it. Don't know when it came in as I left 1Gp in '69 but might have heard it on a Sunshine Airways visit to UK.
....and led to the GWAN system.
A few weeks after I returned in Mar 1991 and was back teaching moist young things to fly Bulldogs once more, a piece of paper arrived from Binnsworth asking me to sign and confirm my GWAN duty - I think I was to be part of some imaginary squadron flying light aircraft, which would do post-strike recce or similar. There was a number to ring if I had any questions....
So I did.
"What for is this note?", I duly enquired.
"It's your GWAN - your wartime post if it ever comes to that", a rather nice-sounding young lady replied.
"Well, it might have escaped the attention of Learning Command and perhaps the news didn't make it to deepest, darkest Glaaarsterrshire, but I've just returned from my real war appointment; 350 hrs on the VC10K during OP. GRANBY with nasty people firing Scuds at me"
"Ah. I see your point. But would you sign it anyway, just to keep the records straight?"
"Only if you say please"
"What? Err, OK...please?"
"Pretty please??"
"Pretty please??", she giggled. So of course I agreed to sign!
(In fact we did use to have an annual week of fun, flying coppers and firemen around at low level, much to the puzzlement of the local Cotswold folk - best of all was the 'non-RT convoy control', which basically meant beating up the squadron MT wagon using various combinations of wing-waggles etc. to signal the driver to turn
)Anyway, back to your games. Have you included the antics of Spetznaz poisoning the water supply and similar such villainy? If this was in pre-HAS days, you could have grounded the FG1 fleet by shooting out the radiators of the Ground Power Units...
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Actually the game does allow for the landing of hooligan troops but that is something I do not want to add at the moment.
I thought I knew about this stuff, but seriously you lot are making my head hurt
Currently I am having discussions with the Devs about a number of small and not so small things that need looking at. Not least of which is the E3 ESM fit problem described above.
And my ARM Bearing Only Launch thread has kicked up a bit of a storm.
I thought I knew about this stuff, but seriously you lot are making my head hurt
Currently I am having discussions with the Devs about a number of small and not so small things that need looking at. Not least of which is the E3 ESM fit problem described above.
And my ARM Bearing Only Launch thread has kicked up a bit of a storm.
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ExRAFRadar, there is one asset problem with your mid-80s scenario.
The UK did not get the E3D until the early 90s and the NE3A did not get ESM equipment until the mid-90s. Your Blinder ARM launch therefore could only have been anticipated from the aircraft manoeuvre and detected after launch.
The UK did not get the E3D until the early 90s and the NE3A did not get ESM equipment until the mid-90s. Your Blinder ARM launch therefore could only have been anticipated from the aircraft manoeuvre and detected after launch.
Many thanks.
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Hawks on Point Defense
Anyone know if the Hawks were assigned specific bases ?
I have 4 Wartime Hawk Squadrons that were made up from the TWU's:
79 and 234 shadowed 1 TWU
151 and 63 shadowed 2 TWU
So 4 Sqn's - 1 to Kinloss/Lossie, 1 to Leuchars, 1 to Conningsby and the last to Wattisham. What do you think ?
I have 4 Wartime Hawk Squadrons that were made up from the TWU's:
79 and 234 shadowed 1 TWU
151 and 63 shadowed 2 TWU
So 4 Sqn's - 1 to Kinloss/Lossie, 1 to Leuchars, 1 to Conningsby and the last to Wattisham. What do you think ?
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Genuine question- what was GWAN?
I had a GWAN as a MAOT (Mobile Air Operations Team) leader at one time. Was great, cos at an early stage of Whatever-VAL the appropriate measure deployed me!
Great thinks I - get an MT Mini and head off into the sunset (sunrise probably more accurate!)
General Office says "Sorry Sir, no MT" ..... and gives me a 'bus warrant! I thought going to war in busses stopped in 1915 .......
But instead of being let-off "practice bleeding", I was usually co-opted into the "Orange" Team .......
Which was EVEN MORE fun!
last to Wattisham
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I was on 234 Sqn in the mid-late 80s and deployed with them to Leeming for a major Air Defence ex (Mallet Blow, Elder Forrest, or possibly Ex Priory - I can't remember now).
Great fun doing Mixed Fighter Force with the F4s and hacking German Tornados
Quite good fun breaking into A10 'Lufberry Circles' too!