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WW3 Battle of Britain

Old 3rd Oct 2013, 18:28
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WW3 Battle of Britain

I just know I am going to get slaughtered for this but here we go.

I am developing a scenario for a new wargame that simulates Air and Naval operations in the time frame 1950 -2020.

Always been a dream of mine to game out a WW3 scenario set about 1985 with the WP attacking the UK.

So far I have Ivan attacking down the Gap with the usual suspects, Blinders, Backfires, Badgers and Bears. I may even throw in some Blackjacks but have to check the In Service date.

43 and 111 are ripping shreds out of the initial attacks and the only real problem is one of enough aircraft to man the CAP's

So knowing I am going to get ridiculed to hell but in the spirit of PPRuNe I come here to seek advice.

I do recall that in my short stint at RAF Boulmer we had the codes that identified USAF aircraft. Anyone remember "Say State" "D4404 Tiger Fast +20" (I think)

So without giving away too many secrets is it feasible the ANG might have helped by a Squadron or 2 of F15's in the defense of the Unsinkable Aircraft Carrier ?

Also to spice things up a little I am thinking of having Pact Frontal Aviation units attack the Southern UKADR from captured bases in Denmark, Holland and Belgium. Is this feasible ?

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Thank all and waiting for incoming.
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I suppose that you could do worse than read (re-read) Red Storm Rising by the late Tom Clancy.

(that and Hunt for Red October are the only things with his name on the cover that are worth reading, mind you)
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I suppose that you could do worse than read (re-read) Red Storm Rising by the late Tom Clancy.

(that and Hunt for Red October are the only things with his name on the cover that are worth reading, mind you)
Maybe because Larry Bond helped him write both.

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If you're having Sector South play in this don't forget the SAMs (I've got some facts and figures about BH2 effectiveness against a few WARPAC types that you may find useful).

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Given that a hypothetical World war 3 would likely involve some electronic warfare, You may find 'current hardware' Stuck on the ground.
An enemy would if it had managed as you suggest to secure airbases that close would have the capacity to render airborne defence problematic.
Plus our armed forces having being reduced would make a ' Battle of Britain' difficult.
Back in the last war they mass produced aircraft .
So maybe you might end up fighting with Spitfires again. Easy to build fast and no Electronic systems. And could probably be retro fitted with modern bullets
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Don't forget MFF as well!
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So without giving away too many secrets is it feasible the ANG might have helped by a Squadron or 2 of F15's in the defense of the Unsinkable Aircraft Carrier ?
F15's possible. F4's definitely, as at least one RAF airfield I know of would have had USAF/ANG Phantoms based on it after the main type operated there in peacetime pushed up to forward operating locations.
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That would be the Alabama National Guard then JAF - from Colt.
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A fascinating scenario and one that many of us would have played out in our heads and during numerous excercises. I think you could find a rich source of ides here.

One thing, though. You must keep it realistic. So phrases such as

43 and 111 are ripping shreds out of the initial attacks
will seriously discredit your plan. I mean, 111 Sqn ripping shreds out of the Soviets. Really? Keep it real, Dude!
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Coff, unlike Sharkey who would "dark blue touchpaper and retire"? hat, coat etc
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Correct

Only other type I've seen on Exercise Flintlock were ANG A-7s into Sculthorpe.
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Don't forget MFF as well!
Plus a couple of winder armed Hawks orbiting the odd RAF airfield and all of the USAF MOB's and some RAF ones would have been eqiupped with all weather ShoRAD (Rapier FSB or Skyguard controlled guns).

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In theory though there must be some kind of plan B to use older non electronic driven equipment like for example a Spitfire.
I read once that the US keep a couple of their old Museum ship's , Iowa?. In readiness in case of some kind of Emp attack.
But do we have 'modern' examples of prop driven aircraft capable of the same maneuverability and speed of the Spitfires and their Peers.
I thought id seen something about there being one around. But not sure if it was a Tucano or even if they are capable of being in combat.
Is there current compatible armour peircing ammo that could fit those old guns?.
Its an interesting thread in that if nothing else it gets you thinking how our defence could work if we lost or our electronics.
We might be down for a short while but . We must thanks to Raf Storage and Museums have all the schematics. Almost a complete step by step guide to get going.
They can take off almost anywhere and youd probably be able to train pilots who just held a Cessna or single engine licence to fly them.
But if you need numbers quickly and it would work. It might be a method of survival
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I'm overwhelmed chaps. I fully expected to be shot down in flames. But...

The Tremblers and Fighting cocks have indeed ripped into the hordes coming south but that was before I tweaked the plot.

Now, that 4 ship TU22 group carrying 2 AS4 each is now 4 Singletons spaced 30 miles apart and barrelling in at 500 Knots, all targeted on Leuchers

And the 2 ship CAP is looking a bit 'Which one do we go for'. That and the 160 mile range of the Tercom AS4's should give the Leuchers Station Commander something to think about.

The Central plot is looking a bit sad as well. 2 Blinder's made it past the extended CAP and got off 2 ARM's at about 80 miles. Boulmer is now a burning wreck.

I am deploying a flight of 6 a/c north from Wattisham (56 Sqn) to one of the Scottish bases. See if that helps.

The game models aircraft stands so you cannot just wedge 100 aircraft into Lossie.

And, just for fun, the Humber bridge is now destroyed. A single AS4 took care of that.

Not all Ivan's way though. The turnaround time, according to the database, is a whopping 20 hours for Blinders/Backfires with the AS4.

And I have yet to add the Binbrook 5 and 11 supersonic Spitfires.

And our Colonial Cousins have yet to join the fray. Well in the UK anyway. On the Central Front they are heavily engaged.

Just realized I have not added Shacks in. So much to do.
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What about considering
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...l-stories.html

Lots of data here on wildcards that would come into play and why assume they would be played only on one side.

Course as the Nazis found out it really is a struggle to fight a war with no fuel hence denial of force multipliers by taking out airborne tankers and refuelling bases makes it more interesting.
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Don't tell us the plot now, ExRAFRadar!!!

Originally Posted by onyxcrowle
In theory though there must be some kind of plan B to use older non electronic driven equipment like for example a Spitfire.
And why do you think you never hear about such things? To this day that is not something we discuss. Why do you thing BBMF have spares available to them when they need them?
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One thing I would request from those that were there.

I am looking for authentic 1980's Sqn tactical callsigns.

And in the interest of authenticity if anyone can give me Tail Numbers I can add them to the OOB. See how they would have fared.

I have the Hawks on point defense, but I need to research MOB' and FOB's. I mean what would you rather have 4xF15C's or 6 Hawks.

And if Beagle is reading the Tankers are up, doing a sterling job.

The game doesn't model ramming so cant use them as a last ditch
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Good thread there racedo. Thanks.

I done my share of late nights and exercises. Oh wait, I was at Spade for 4 years so come to think of it I never worked past 8 and the working week on nights was no more than 16 hours. Tops.

Life was hard.
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And I have yet to add the Binbrook 5 and 11 supersonic Spitfires.
The Ottringham beacon is safe then....
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