WW3 Battle of Britain
My copy was half inched by a University pal who joined the RTR!
IIRC Chieftains was based on Hackett's book.Another good one on the land battle was 'Team Yankee' by Harold Coyle.
IIRC Chieftains was based on Hackett's book.Another good one on the land battle was 'Team Yankee' by Harold Coyle.
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I seem to recall that Birmingham got the good news in Team Yankee, a dose of instant sunshine probably made it slightly less grubby.
With Winson Green Prison as Ground Zero IIRC. Looking at a map, I suppose it is about central to the Brum/Wolves conurbation ......
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With Winson Green Prison as Ground Zero IIRC. Looking at a map, I suppose it is about central to the Brum/Wolves conurbation
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I can remember sitting as the Master Controller at Boulmer during a Taceval when we had a Vulcan pitch up simulating a defecting Bear with a couple ok nukes on board. The fear was that the defection call was a ruse to allow them to overfly the UK and hit a target, so a suitable landing airfield had to chosen.
I ordered they be escorted to Leeds-Bradford.
"Why Leeds-Bradford"?, asked the DISTAFF Gp Capt
"Because we afford to lose Leeds and Bradford", say's I casually.
"I come from Leeds", says he, "me mum lives there".
"Unlucky", says I, "I suggest you give her a quick call while you can".
I ordered they be escorted to Leeds-Bradford.
"Why Leeds-Bradford"?, asked the DISTAFF Gp Capt
"Because we afford to lose Leeds and Bradford", say's I casually.
"I come from Leeds", says he, "me mum lives there".
"Unlucky", says I, "I suggest you give her a quick call while you can".
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Leeds is a pretty good and affluent place these days. It is the biggest financial centre in the UK outside of London. Leeds city centre has skyscrapers and apartments springing up. And it's one of the only cities where they are constructing city centre shopping malls rather than closing them down.
Unlike Bradford. Which is like driving through Damascus.
Unlike Bradford. Which is like driving through Damascus.
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Hi all,
Sorry I have been a bit quiet but I'm glad to see you all jumping in.
I have been busy getting the UK targets sorted out. The game lets you import graphic overlays and then you can put the target markers over real world pics.
Pretty cool.
Going to see if I can get some up here.
Sorry I have been a bit quiet but I'm glad to see you all jumping in.
I have been busy getting the UK targets sorted out. The game lets you import graphic overlays and then you can put the target markers over real world pics.
Pretty cool.
Going to see if I can get some up here.
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UK Radar Coverage
Mainly land based, there is an E3 up, South West of the marked Blinder, 120 odd NM's West of Boulmer
You can see on the Left of the screen that the E3 has detected the Blinder's radar by passive means
This was a test to see if an ARM could target an airborne radar.
You can see on the Left of the screen that the E3 has detected the Blinder's radar by passive means
This was a test to see if an ARM could target an airborne radar.
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GR4 - Thanks to the great response I have had on here I realised it is a much bigger scenario that I imagined
Think Leuchers, and Wattisham defending attacks from the North and FA attacks from the south. Thats about what I was thinking
Then I got some great intel from someone that pointed out raids may come down over Denmark and attack from there, rather than take the GIUK northern route.
Factor in dummy raids, jamming sorties and Backfire's performing low level runs over the UK and all of a sudden I am in a geeks wet dream. Ahem.
Now I am adding Rapier and Manpad Infantry units to airfield defense.
Trouble is until I get the UK sorted out to my satisfaction I cannot really start planning Pact AI. Add a Type 42 off of Scapa or a Squadron of ANG F4's into RAF Machrihanish or Kinloss and the balance gets thrown out.
And I am trying to make things fairly accurate, so not every airfield gets a Rapier for example.
Then I realised that I have to give the Pact a target list apart from AD/UKADGE assets. So I have started adding the Strike bases (Marhem, Honnington, Colt etc)
And what about Port facilities ? Off to google to find out a list of probable convoy destination ports. If anyone can give me any Gen here I would much appreciate it.
You can see where this is leading. Are Power Stations targets ? I would suggest yes. And what about sheer Terror Raids designed to destroy civilian morale ? Not so sure about that one. But might be good for a variant.
Plus there are some discussions going on with the game devs about things like Bearing Only Launch of ARM's, Turnaround Times being too long etc.
Just to clarify - I am not developing the game, this is a scenario for a game that has recently been released. Not sure if I am allowed to link to it here.
Think Leuchers, and Wattisham defending attacks from the North and FA attacks from the south. Thats about what I was thinking
Then I got some great intel from someone that pointed out raids may come down over Denmark and attack from there, rather than take the GIUK northern route.
Factor in dummy raids, jamming sorties and Backfire's performing low level runs over the UK and all of a sudden I am in a geeks wet dream. Ahem.
Now I am adding Rapier and Manpad Infantry units to airfield defense.
Trouble is until I get the UK sorted out to my satisfaction I cannot really start planning Pact AI. Add a Type 42 off of Scapa or a Squadron of ANG F4's into RAF Machrihanish or Kinloss and the balance gets thrown out.
And I am trying to make things fairly accurate, so not every airfield gets a Rapier for example.
Then I realised that I have to give the Pact a target list apart from AD/UKADGE assets. So I have started adding the Strike bases (Marhem, Honnington, Colt etc)
And what about Port facilities ? Off to google to find out a list of probable convoy destination ports. If anyone can give me any Gen here I would much appreciate it.
You can see where this is leading. Are Power Stations targets ? I would suggest yes. And what about sheer Terror Raids designed to destroy civilian morale ? Not so sure about that one. But might be good for a variant.
Plus there are some discussions going on with the game devs about things like Bearing Only Launch of ARM's, Turnaround Times being too long etc.
Just to clarify - I am not developing the game, this is a scenario for a game that has recently been released. Not sure if I am allowed to link to it here.
Need another Radar. an RAF S259 was on the Faroes at that time, Was operated by the Danes, but maintained by RAF Techies on 6 month tours. Was replaced by a Type 91 IUKADGE radar which though operated and fixed by the Danes had its radar picture feed into the IUKADGE system.
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L1 gave the picture from the continental sites ( Reitan, Maakeroy, Vesbaek, Neiuw Milligan, Doullens and Glons), links from Northern Norway through Denmark, Netherlands and France. Plus we had a direst feed from Pole Star on the Faeroes and the Icelandic radars, so your radar cover has massive holes - not even counting the L11 picture from any NATO compatible frigate/destroyer/cruiser/carrier in the OPTASK LINK which, with CBGs in the GIUK gap would have been extensive.
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The majority of the RAF Regt Rapier Units in the UK were USAF funded back then (if memory serves the spilt was 3 1/2 v 2 1/2. The half and half funded unit was the Rapier Training Unit at RAF West Raynham).
UK funded RAF Regt Sqns
27 Sqn RAF Regt defended Leuchers.
48 Sqn RAF Regt defended Lossimouth (and maybe Kinloss)
USAF funded 6 Wing RAF Regt Sqns.
19 Sqn RAF Regt based at Brize Norton and when deployed defended Upper Heyford and Fairford.
20 Sqn RAF Regt based at Honington when deployed defended Bentwaters and Alconbury.
66 Sqn RAF Regt based at West Raynham when deployed defended Lakenheath and Mildenhall.
Rapier Training Unit I do believe had a war role as well, though no idea who they defended (suspect one USAF base and one RAF one due to funding arangement).
Then there was 2729 Squadron RAuxAF Regt Sqn with their Skyguard radars an 30mm cannons based at Waddington. (From what is on the net they had 4 radars and 12 gun mounts that were broken down into 4 flights of 1 radar and 3 gun mounts. One post on another forum states that that the 3 guns could be placed up to 1.5Km from the radar thus a couple of Airfields could be defended by the Sqn at least. Anybody know where they would have gone)
St Mawgan had a HAS site, what SAM's were used to defend them?
UK funded RAF Regt Sqns
27 Sqn RAF Regt defended Leuchers.
48 Sqn RAF Regt defended Lossimouth (and maybe Kinloss)
USAF funded 6 Wing RAF Regt Sqns.
19 Sqn RAF Regt based at Brize Norton and when deployed defended Upper Heyford and Fairford.
20 Sqn RAF Regt based at Honington when deployed defended Bentwaters and Alconbury.
66 Sqn RAF Regt based at West Raynham when deployed defended Lakenheath and Mildenhall.
Rapier Training Unit I do believe had a war role as well, though no idea who they defended (suspect one USAF base and one RAF one due to funding arangement).
Then there was 2729 Squadron RAuxAF Regt Sqn with their Skyguard radars an 30mm cannons based at Waddington. (From what is on the net they had 4 radars and 12 gun mounts that were broken down into 4 flights of 1 radar and 3 gun mounts. One post on another forum states that that the 3 guns could be placed up to 1.5Km from the radar thus a couple of Airfields could be defended by the Sqn at least. Anybody know where they would have gone)
St Mawgan had a HAS site, what SAM's were used to defend them?