The South China Sea's Gathering Storm

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...d-supercarrier

China Has New Full-Scale Target Of America’s Ford Supercarrier

[Asturias56]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50

I wonder if they 'borrowed' the electromagnetic catapults from an American design, or if it is truly home grown.
Perhaps a bit of both.

"socialism with Chinese characteristics in the new era." = "US design with Chinese characteristics in the new era"

After all - why design it yourself when the people who know and have 80+ years of carrier experience can do it for you?

IIRC the PLA(N) has adopted just about every possible thing they can from the USN - eg deck handling procedures etc.

[glider5011]

Maybe a silly question,
But why doesn't it have an angled flight deck ?

[DogTailRed2]

If we have a war with China won't they just stop supplying the West with goods? That's got to hurt especially military components etc.

[ORAC]

It has, it’s just so big it’s not obvious…

[rattman]

Originally Posted by DogTailRed2

If we have a war with China won't they just stop supplying the West with goods? That's got to hurt especially military components etc.

OH NO I cant buy my cheap plastic crap

Except when I worked in this sort of stuff I had to sign an agreement that nothing could be supplied from a list of hostile state. Included in that list was PRC, we used to package complimentary pens into what we sold. For packages going into the DOD we had to remove all the free pens as they were chinese made or 'origin undetermined' Cant imagine there will be to much chinese stuff in western military

[Asturias56]

Unfortunately your Apple devices are stuffed with Chinese "crap" - as are your car, your PC, your TV...................

The problem is it's so ubiquitous it may well be there without anyone knowing about - because you bought something from someone in Oz, who put in some bits from the Uk, who put in some bits from India, who....... that's the issue with global capitalism - it's global

[glider5011]

Originally Posted by glider5011

Maybe a silly question,
But why doesn't it have an angled flight deck ?

I mean the new Chinese carrier..

[Ninthace]

And if I want an affordable EV . . .

[melmothtw]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50

I wonder if they 'borrowed' the electromagnetic catapults from an American design, or if it is truly home grown.
Perhaps a bit of both.

Nothing the Chinese have developed in modern times is truly home grown, and EMALS will be no exception.

[melmothtw]

Originally Posted by DogTailRed2

If we have a war with China won't they just stop supplying the West with goods? That's got to hurt especially military components etc.

Counterpoint, the West stops buying Chinese goods. That's going to cripple their economy.

[melmothtw]

Originally Posted by glider5011

I mean the new Chinese carrier..

It does, the markings just haven't been applied yet but you can see it in the planform of the ship.

[ORAC]

Chinese artist impression of ship once complete for comparison, though I note the reduction from 4 to 3 catapults.

[fitliker]

Nice target

[glider5011]

Thanks
for the info . much appreciated.
Looks a fine ship with all the markings. and a little worrying for the Taiwan etc.

Simmbob

[rattman]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

Unfortunately your Apple devices are stuffed with Chinese "crap" - as are your car, your PC, your TV...................

The problem is it's so ubiquitous it may well be there without anyone knowing about - because you bought something from someone in Oz, who put in some bits from the Uk, who put in some bits from India, who....... that's the issue with global capitalism - it's global

firstly none of which are defence related and in a case of a war with china not really going to caring much about my iphone or big screen TV

secondly many large international concerns are moving from china. Foxcon one of the largest parts suppliers for apple is moving iphone production are moving to india. Apple computing is moving to vietnam

[Asturias56]

those parts go everywhere and they're not all traceable - or easily traceable

[rattman]

Originally Posted by melmothtw

Counterpoint, the West stops buying Chinese goods. That's going to cripple their economy.

When they got in a trade war with australia and stopped buying australian coal/iron. They started to freeze, iron smelters closed down. Imagine that but now coal, food, iron suddenly got cut close to zero china cant afford a war with the west. We buy thier crap and they buy stuff required for them to build the crap and survive

[Asturias56]

But it cost you.................. "China imposed a A$24bn ($16bn) hit on Australia, representing 5.5% of its total annual exports."

and you're still exporting to them

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