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"Wonder if a few Super Hornets with kangaroos on the side might show up as well..."
Wishful thinking - remember, that means putting ADF hardware in harms way
and I don't think the pollies have the balls to do that.
But it would be good if they did. Great training.
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Wishful thinking - remember, that means putting ADF hardware in harms way
and I don't think the pollies have the balls to do that.
But it would be good if they did. Great training.
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So why the fcku aren't all the other Arab states with their fancy toys (think Saudi) enforcing the NFZ. Why the Western nations?
Are they saying that, despite the money expended on state of the art aircraft, and (attendance) training to get their aircrew up to speed, that they really aren't worth jack ****?
Must do wonders for their sense of pride.
Are they saying that, despite the money expended on state of the art aircraft, and (attendance) training to get their aircrew up to speed, that they really aren't worth jack ****?
Must do wonders for their sense of pride.
Hasn't the odd RAAF Pig headed up to that part of the world in years past?
Or is all that stuff classified...?
R/e Saudi - I remember reading a post once about some drivers being too frightened to fly the kit they had - may be nothing has changed - Princes playing at being knucks...?
Or is all that stuff classified...?
R/e Saudi - I remember reading a post once about some drivers being too frightened to fly the kit they had - may be nothing has changed - Princes playing at being knucks...?
Every now and again you get to watch someone destroy their credibility on this site.
For 500 minus
RAAF hercs and P3 have now been deployed in the MEAO since 2003....for your info that is a little longer than that small battle called WWII.
C17s make regular visits
The Army has had Chinooks there for many years now.
Both Hercs and Chinooks have received ground fire, a lot as it happens
What if ANY point are you trying to make?
As for sending RAAF fighters to the other side of the world when there are 20 other NATO countries there to crush a nut with a sledge hammer....why?
For 500 minus
RAAF hercs and P3 have now been deployed in the MEAO since 2003....for your info that is a little longer than that small battle called WWII.
C17s make regular visits
The Army has had Chinooks there for many years now.
Both Hercs and Chinooks have received ground fire, a lot as it happens
What if ANY point are you trying to make?
As for sending RAAF fighters to the other side of the world when there are 20 other NATO countries there to crush a nut with a sledge hammer....why?
Errm - just asking a question about the Pigs in the past - that's all Biggles... and wondering if Aust will be asked to/offer to contribute fast jets... no axe to grind tiger...
I think you will find KRudd is more interested in shooting down Julia than he is fighting Gaddafi....
I would like the PM....I mean foreign minister now to say what the plan is he has the NFZ up and running. Keeping a few clapt out Migs and Hinds from flying isn't going to change the outcome of this. There must be some fascinating Intell floating around.
I don't see how there can be a change on the ground unless ground troops are sent in?
what is the end game we want in this?
Not directed at you Tartare, your questions are very reasonable. There are reasons why there isn't any practical reason to send them. My point was to the other individual who suggested it was not to put ADF hardware in harms way when in reality they are already in the MEAO and have been for over 7 years.
I would like the PM....I mean foreign minister now to say what the plan is he has the NFZ up and running. Keeping a few clapt out Migs and Hinds from flying isn't going to change the outcome of this. There must be some fascinating Intell floating around.
I don't see how there can be a change on the ground unless ground troops are sent in?
what is the end game we want in this?
Not directed at you Tartare, your questions are very reasonable. There are reasons why there isn't any practical reason to send them. My point was to the other individual who suggested it was not to put ADF hardware in harms way when in reality they are already in the MEAO and have been for over 7 years.
As a non-military pilot - a question for you fastjet drivers - given the CAF have only 4800 mi approx to commute to downtown TIP - and the RAAF would have approx 10,000 mi to ferry - does the issue of "it's simply too far away" become a factor in Govts deciding whether to deploy?
I realise the Super-Hornets got down here in the first place via a very long flight - but I'd hate to be island hopping half-way round the world in a military fast jet.
Slightly different prospect to the global reach a C17 has.
I realise the Super-Hornets got down here in the first place via a very long flight - but I'd hate to be island hopping half-way round the world in a military fast jet.
Slightly different prospect to the global reach a C17 has.
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I don't think I shot any cred down that I had - I was saying the pollies haven't got any balls to go the whole way.
"What if ANY point are you trying to make?"
I think you answered it in your following post
"I would like the PM....I mean foreign minister now to say what the plan is he has the NFZ up and running."
If Aust wants to grand stand on the world stage and be the US Lt or Sherriff of the Asia Pacific - and push for a seat on the UN Sec Council, then how about we actually do something instead of asking it to be done.
We've called for a no fly zone, we have assets that can be used, now it has been called, why not use them.
I am sure you have read the thread re Aust Helos, I suppose some of my thoughts come from that.
I know what assets we have in theatre and I know they have been shot up
and good on the service people for doing a great job. But how about Aust steps up and puts some of it's offensive assets to use and in support of our boys on the ground. To some extent, we always seem to do piece meal, supportive ops and little of the blunt end. Why couldn't our F111's, F18 and Super Hornets be used over there (and Tiger's in the future). No point in training all the time if we never find out if it works for real.
We (as in the pollies, NOT the RAAF) seem to be so risk averse.
ozbiggles
Do you see any of our fast jets being used for the NFZ ?
(and although it is thread drift, do you ever see Aust deploying Tigers for Inf support).
I don't think I shot any cred down that I had - I was saying the pollies haven't got any balls to go the whole way.
"What if ANY point are you trying to make?"
I think you answered it in your following post
"I would like the PM....I mean foreign minister now to say what the plan is he has the NFZ up and running."
If Aust wants to grand stand on the world stage and be the US Lt or Sherriff of the Asia Pacific - and push for a seat on the UN Sec Council, then how about we actually do something instead of asking it to be done.
We've called for a no fly zone, we have assets that can be used, now it has been called, why not use them.
I am sure you have read the thread re Aust Helos, I suppose some of my thoughts come from that.
I know what assets we have in theatre and I know they have been shot up
and good on the service people for doing a great job. But how about Aust steps up and puts some of it's offensive assets to use and in support of our boys on the ground. To some extent, we always seem to do piece meal, supportive ops and little of the blunt end. Why couldn't our F111's, F18 and Super Hornets be used over there (and Tiger's in the future). No point in training all the time if we never find out if it works for real.
We (as in the pollies, NOT the RAAF) seem to be so risk averse.
ozbiggles
Do you see any of our fast jets being used for the NFZ ?
(and although it is thread drift, do you ever see Aust deploying Tigers for Inf support).
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Krudd has been on the radio this afternoon, applauding the move to the NFZ, giving it Australia's full support and then saying that it's up to NATO as the local friendly to manage it. 
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Nicely summed up here from the Australian.
"The UN Security Council resolution comes just days after Mr Rudd criticised the body for its failure to act to protect the Libyan people from attacks by dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
He said there was no suggestion Australian fighter jets should be used to enforce the no-fly zone."
“If the no-fly zone was imposed in this part of the world, Australian assets would be considered for possible inclusion for any such UN operation. And we would consider this possibility,” Mr Rudd said.
“This is in North Africa. It is adjacent to the NATO zone, it is across the Mediterranean from the NATO zone. This is primarily the responsibility of adjoining states.”
Mr Rudd said the military effort would now be critical to preventing further loss of civilian life in Libya.
Julia Gillard, who appeared less hawkish on the need for a no-fly zone than Mr Rudd, welcomed the resolution as an important measure to stop dictator attacking the Libyan people.
"The Australian government was among the first to call for decisive action by the international community, including a UN-mandated no-fly zone," the Prime Minister said in a statement.
Yes, that's right, we are one of the first to call for it but don't expect us to put anything in as it's not in our area.
"The UN Security Council resolution comes just days after Mr Rudd criticised the body for its failure to act to protect the Libyan people from attacks by dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
He said there was no suggestion Australian fighter jets should be used to enforce the no-fly zone."
“If the no-fly zone was imposed in this part of the world, Australian assets would be considered for possible inclusion for any such UN operation. And we would consider this possibility,” Mr Rudd said.
“This is in North Africa. It is adjacent to the NATO zone, it is across the Mediterranean from the NATO zone. This is primarily the responsibility of adjoining states.”
Mr Rudd said the military effort would now be critical to preventing further loss of civilian life in Libya.
Julia Gillard, who appeared less hawkish on the need for a no-fly zone than Mr Rudd, welcomed the resolution as an important measure to stop dictator attacking the Libyan people.
"The Australian government was among the first to call for decisive action by the international community, including a UN-mandated no-fly zone," the Prime Minister said in a statement.
Yes, that's right, we are one of the first to call for it but don't expect us to put anything in as it's not in our area.
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I reckon some F-22s will be on the way to the med very soon from the 1st FW.
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Not the first time watching Libya. ISTR that in 1991 the UN declared a trade embargo with Libya following the Lockerbie bombing - the major ISTAR asset (in the days before it was called ISTAR) was tasked to periodically monitor Libya for air breaches. We would fly from UK (non-tanked) to south of Italy and watch for about 4-5 hours. We would then return home - again with no tanker. (Mt Etna on Sicily was erupting at the time, and the lava flows made interesting watching at night, but I digress). These missions to Libya ceased when tasking came through to watch arms smuggling into the former Yugoslavia under operation Maritime Monitor. (MM eventually turned into the NFZ/Op Deny Flight, or Deny Wife as it was known to the hard pressed crews). Mind you, we flew between 800 and 1,000 hours a year in those days which is something of a change to the present.