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dionysius,
If you knew anything about a Tristar, you'd know all the bags are in tins in the hold on a C2, hence a Trepel is needed to find the right tin....Ho Hum indeed
If you knew anything about a Tristar, you'd know all the bags are in tins in the hold on a C2, hence a Trepel is needed to find the right tin....Ho Hum indeed
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SFRAF,
man the f4ck up. If said useless pr.ck has done the deed, moral integrity compells him to own up straight away..........
for him to (by all accounts) drive off and deny all knowledge portays him as someone not to be trusted. For him to them gob off all laughing and joking in the bar = a right good talking to round the back of the hangar.
Let us suppose the T* went flying and fell into the oggin with total loss of life all because someone was too spineless to admit a f4ck-up, what then....?
I think the crew had a right to be arsey about this
And my experience with movers is all bad, coming back from ak on a charter, stopping at brize and then it was on to newcastle for the civvys. movers would not let us stay on as they wouldn't provide an unload for us at geordieland, we said no worries we can do that, movers replied
"No, you don't have experience working with aircraft or on an airside environment."
Guess where we worked.....11sqn.
I am sure there is a good mover somewhere, good luck to him coz his trade is chock full of the worst jobsworths I have ever had the mispleasure of knowing
man the f4ck up. If said useless pr.ck has done the deed, moral integrity compells him to own up straight away..........
for him to (by all accounts) drive off and deny all knowledge portays him as someone not to be trusted. For him to them gob off all laughing and joking in the bar = a right good talking to round the back of the hangar.
Let us suppose the T* went flying and fell into the oggin with total loss of life all because someone was too spineless to admit a f4ck-up, what then....?
I think the crew had a right to be arsey about this
And my experience with movers is all bad, coming back from ak on a charter, stopping at brize and then it was on to newcastle for the civvys. movers would not let us stay on as they wouldn't provide an unload for us at geordieland, we said no worries we can do that, movers replied
"No, you don't have experience working with aircraft or on an airside environment."
Guess where we worked.....11sqn.
I am sure there is a good mover somewhere, good luck to him coz his trade is chock full of the worst jobsworths I have ever had the mispleasure of knowing
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Lossimouth dont have a trepel Hoooooooo huuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmm
They have 1 atlas and it might have be broken, do you know exactly why it wasnt used or are you taking a wild stab in the dark and assuming?
Know your facts before you post gibberish, trying to get one over.
For gods sake plse close this thread, its got boring and childish !
They have 1 atlas and it might have be broken, do you know exactly why it wasnt used or are you taking a wild stab in the dark and assuming?
Know your facts before you post gibberish, trying to get one over.
For gods sake plse close this thread, its got boring and childish !
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dionysius,
If you knew anything about a Tristar, you'd know that we never flew passengers out of Basrah in a KC1 as they didn't have DIRCM at the time....Ho Hum
If you knew anything about a Tristar, you'd know that we never flew passengers out of Basrah in a KC1 as they didn't have DIRCM at the time....Ho Hum
Whilst you may score points off each other as much as you like about air movements topics, I would venture to suggest that it is manifestly unwise to declare publically which sub-species of TriShaw may or may not have self protection systems fitted....
So STFU about such things
So STFU about such things
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I'm with beags on this one..........
I would like to know when they are being fitted with the radar guided vulcan cannons and stuff, y'know like in matthew reilly's wild tales..
I would like to know when they are being fitted with the radar guided vulcan cannons and stuff, y'know like in matthew reilly's wild tales..
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Trepple or Atlas same thing to me...
Do I ask you the difference between a Refuel rig and a defuel rig?
Its a big up and down thing to load bags.
Yes they did have one But they had no "'Time"
we only waited about 3 hours for the brakes to cool..
Ho HUm
Do I ask you the difference between a Refuel rig and a defuel rig?
Its a big up and down thing to load bags.
Yes they did have one But they had no "'Time"
we only waited about 3 hours for the brakes to cool..
Ho HUm
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Check the internet.
Info and Pictures are widely available.
Start at Google or recently BBC.
Then try airlines.net.. you will find some nice photos.
Its not a world secret.
Northrop Grumman AN/AAQ-24(V) NEMESIS Countermeasures System (United States) - Jane's Aircraft Upgrades
Info and Pictures are widely available.
Start at Google or recently BBC.
Then try airlines.net.. you will find some nice photos.
Its not a world secret.
Northrop Grumman AN/AAQ-24(V) NEMESIS Countermeasures System (United States) - Jane's Aircraft Upgrades
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From Sky News (my use of bold font):
David Cameron has insisted British forces are getting a raw deal over their leave as he met troops in Afghanistan.
The Tory leader called for rest periods to start when personnel arrived home - rather than when they departed operations.
Mr Cameron announced the policy after chatting with soldiers over breakfast at the British Lashkar Gah base in volatile Helmand province.
Currently flights back from Afghanistan can be delayed days before reaching the UK.
Mr Cameron - visiting the troubled country for the third time since taking charge of the Conservative Party - said: "I think this is fair for our troops. They should be able to predict how long their leave is going to be rather than having to spend it on an aeroplane and on air bases a long way from home."
Mr Cameron has previously accused the Government of "breaking the military covenant" by letting troops down on equipment, healthcare, family support and accommodation.
A Conservative Party commission led by Falklands hero Simon Weston and author Frederick Forsyth raised the issue of "lost leave" in June, and their proposals have now been endorsed.
Earlier Mr Cameron and shadow foreign secretary William Hague had breakfast in the base's mess hall.
The Tory leader discussed conditions for soldiers and the situation on the ground with Captain Julian Mitchell, a member of 42 Engineer Regiment from Pembroke in west Wales, and Captain Andrew Rodgers, a member of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders from Oxford.
Mr Cameron said there had been "progress" in Afghanistan, but there were still concerns such as a shortage of helicopters and the unwillingness of some Nato countries to play their full part in operations.
Hopefully someone will listen - and this should at least help those inconvenienced by delay on their way home on well-deserved leave.
David Cameron has insisted British forces are getting a raw deal over their leave as he met troops in Afghanistan.
The Tory leader called for rest periods to start when personnel arrived home - rather than when they departed operations.
Mr Cameron announced the policy after chatting with soldiers over breakfast at the British Lashkar Gah base in volatile Helmand province.
Currently flights back from Afghanistan can be delayed days before reaching the UK.
Mr Cameron - visiting the troubled country for the third time since taking charge of the Conservative Party - said: "I think this is fair for our troops. They should be able to predict how long their leave is going to be rather than having to spend it on an aeroplane and on air bases a long way from home."
Mr Cameron has previously accused the Government of "breaking the military covenant" by letting troops down on equipment, healthcare, family support and accommodation.
A Conservative Party commission led by Falklands hero Simon Weston and author Frederick Forsyth raised the issue of "lost leave" in June, and their proposals have now been endorsed.
Earlier Mr Cameron and shadow foreign secretary William Hague had breakfast in the base's mess hall.
The Tory leader discussed conditions for soldiers and the situation on the ground with Captain Julian Mitchell, a member of 42 Engineer Regiment from Pembroke in west Wales, and Captain Andrew Rodgers, a member of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders from Oxford.
Mr Cameron said there had been "progress" in Afghanistan, but there were still concerns such as a shortage of helicopters and the unwillingness of some Nato countries to play their full part in operations.
Hopefully someone will listen - and this should at least help those inconvenienced by delay on their way home on well-deserved leave.
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Great in theory, but the units on the front line are required to maintain a certain manning level. Therefore, if one soldier's R+R turns into 3 weeks away due to airbridge problems then another will have to be cut down to a week.
The solution is reliable aircraft in greater numbers.
The solution is reliable aircraft in greater numbers.
The solution is reliable aircraft in greater numbers.
As well as to provide them with adequate, reliable equipment - including air transport as necessary.
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Hmm - isn't the real solution to restore the UK's Armed Forces to the number of personnel needed to cope with the legacy of NuLabor's profligate military adventurism?
Extra troops would allow the Army to give each unit longer between deployments, but the size of the airbridge task would remain the same. Alternatively, an enlarged army would see more units deployed as reinforcements, which would increase the airbridge task. Moreover, as additional frontline units would still deploy as battalion/battle-group sized formations, with R+R plans based on maintaining a percentage of establishment, the number of personnel with disrupted R+R would soar as the airbridge came under greater strain.
A larger army, with a longer period between tours, would give the MoD the option to ease the airbridge burden by removing the R+R entitlement and requiring the troops to do a 6-month uninterrupted deployment, but that would be a highly controversial decision.
The MoD ought to be watching what is happening in the commercial world and taking a suitable opportunity to acquire the right type aircraft to operate the airbridge. Sadly though, I don't think they are capable of moving quickly enough to identify, procure and introduce such aircraft into service in a time-scale that is quick enough to make such an interim project worth attempting before FSTA arrives. I assume that rapid introduction of an Air Transport capability is now the priority for the FSTA project?
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It would also help if the Army would think carefully about the transport available, and try to fill each Tristar that comes though by careful planning.
Asking for a last minute extra frame, then only half filling the next two jets is a waste of their money, and the hours on the airframes - not to mention keeping them in the air rather than at home where they can at least be fixed rather than turned round and back out again in a matter of hours. Old girls need time to prepare themselves for a night out!
There are a lot of pieces in the air bridge jigsaw, and every part has an effect on availability and reliability.
It goes without saying that a Comp A or Aeromed are the exeptions to this, and will always get the fastest reponse possible!
Asking for a last minute extra frame, then only half filling the next two jets is a waste of their money, and the hours on the airframes - not to mention keeping them in the air rather than at home where they can at least be fixed rather than turned round and back out again in a matter of hours. Old girls need time to prepare themselves for a night out!
There are a lot of pieces in the air bridge jigsaw, and every part has an effect on availability and reliability.
It goes without saying that a Comp A or Aeromed are the exeptions to this, and will always get the fastest reponse possible!
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Few of us are currently at a location in the sunny regions where the tristar frequents through and we have been told when we returning to the UK we are not allowed on it even if it was empty. All to do with Army controlling all air movements , kind of sums up th Army controlling air assets. Its really disapointing as we have an extra week added to our duty in gulf to compensate ofr movement in and out of theatre . Im in the RAF and it takes me 3 days to get here :/ . And does not help movers at a certain Oxford place being so anal about hand luggage NVM its the Air force not the Fair Force
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I would venture to suggest that it is manifestly unwise to declare publically which sub-species of TriShaw may or may not have self protection systems fitted....
If you read my post carefully you'll notice I used the caveat "at the time". Which means I'm not giving away the present fit of the fleet but the fit as of 2 years ago!!
As someone who still has to operate into and out of theatre weekly I certainly would not give away the present fit of the aircraft I operate but please feel free to continue to point out the bl**dy obvious.
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Just shows how little most of you know. Bzz movers do get anal over hand luggage size! But it was 216 who directed us to be more strick with size as some Army lads were turning up with bergens as hand luggage for the C2 and on the KC1 its more of an issue.
As I said before, get your facts right before you post drivel or pass blame.
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Just shows how little most of you know. Bzz movers do get anal over hand luggage size! But it was 216 who directed us to be more strick with size as some Army lads were turning up with bergens as hand luggage for the C2 and on the KC1 its more of an issue.
As I said before, get your facts right before you post drivel or pass blame.
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Dont get stroppy with me Mobile Muppet I just stating known fact that all people i travelled with the day I came into theatre said the same thing. In the long bus journey to the gateway to hell we were informed on that morning we arived of new changes, we had lads in front of the movers removing wash kits, underwear in front of many others cause 6kg is the new limit or the size of a laptop.I am not Army,we were breifed on the day to remove all excess clothing from our rucksacks including wash kits to save weight yet lumbering a huge amount of ****ty body armour that has no purpose at all to the location we were heading. The inept attitude of the movement staff to issue orders to units of this change just shows what unproffesional we have become. The way they spoke to people was upsetting to most people including many higher than me. I like all realise we have jobs to do but some cnut with a RAF Staple belt being a stroppy arse to guys that have to go OOA to do a REAL job , its stuff we dont need. For once the good old way of being polite and treat people how you would like is a lesson we really need to develop