More Tristar problems?
 

British commanders call for more troops to stave off Taliban victory - Times Online

Troops flying home from Iraq and Afghanistan face delays after it emerged that two of the RAF’s three Tristar C2 transport aircraft have to be taken out of service so that cracks in their wing flaps can be repaired. The Ministry of Defence insisted it can maintain an “air bridge” by civilian charter.

A Tri-Strar is u/s in Akrotiri at the moment. Set of steps driven into wing. Long wait for possible new aileron.

Well I wonder where this thread will go next.


Movers.........Incoming

Another one here
 

In work until 2009.

Marshall Aerospace

Well, presuming a mover is responsible for the placement/movement of steps, one could presume that some 'incoming' may be appropriate. :ouch:

Well of course.

When movers make a mistake it is very visible to all.

When other people (normally those whiter than white) make a mistake they can cover it up. :mad:

Not really.

If there's any doubt when I taxi my aircraft, I get wing walkers out to give me a thumbs up for good clearance. Same should apply here. There's simply no excuse for driving things into a parked aircraft.

And of course you never make a mistake in the cockpit.....do you:ugh:

And by the way:

Of course plenty of people available for wing walkers, no pressure, no sudden retern of aircraft early, etc, etc.

Give them a break, as I said every body makes more mistakes.... theirs are just more visible than others. Therefore they get slaged off (normaly by people like you) more quickly.

You started it.:ugh:

In my 5000+ hours on the VC10, no-one ever drove anything into the aeroplane.

Yet over the last few years, there seem to have been some inexcusable ground incidents. It's not as though the TriStar is an infrequent visitor to Akrotiri, so is there a systemic problem - or was this a 'one-off'?

When RAF AT is at such a premium, such incidents are particularly unacceptable.

Whoever causes them.

No, never :E

I'm not saying I don't, I'm saying that there is no excuse for driving things into aircraft. Stop the vehicle, get some assistance and carry on. End of.

So when is there an excuse for making a mistake?

Obviously you have an excuse when you make a mistake.
Obviously (in your eyes) there is no excuse for others making a mistake DOING THEIR JOB.

Grow up and wise up.

Sounds like incidences are on the increase. Is it workload?

Unfortunate as this incident is, and frustrating, this could be the first signs of overworked people making mistakes.

Easy to blame the movers (who may well have just screwed up). But it could be the tip of the iceberg we all know is drifting our way as the entire military becomes more fatigued jumping through hoops, chasing pointless stats and supporting wars in two theatres.

Just a thought before the executions commence.

You're quite right - that's what I meant by a systemic problem!

Tired people make mistakes. Worse still, they're usually the worst placed to realise that they're starting to make mistakes....

So, rather than throw mire at specific branches or trades, people should perhaps think first about cumulative fatigue and whether overstretch was a key ingredient.

Is it time to out our hands in the air and say ' we can't do this any more - who would like bid for the contract to charter us to Akrotiri and we'll get everyone in by Herc or something else from there?'

Discuss

SRENNAPS, no,mistakes from certain trades are never covered up, whilst I was at RAF Valley an aircrat (a beagle I think ) was filled with the wrong fuel, the engines cut out and it crashed shortly after take off. The three people resposible, bowser driver, refueller, and line supervisor, went to jail.
As ground crew, you can be held responsible for your work for up to 5 years...

SRENNAPS

Cock!

Of course the Herc fleet has loads of spare capacity to do this. Or the something else is what exactly?

MGDP

"Is it workload?"..........................in Akrotiri :eek:

ahh what they should do is cover the frame with a dayglow jacket as it comes off the runway then it will be noticable and nobody will drive in to it

SOP should the steps not be lowered before they are brought up to the aircraft?, then raised as they approach the door, this certainly does not happen