More Tristar problems?
Out of interest do Lockheed still support the aircraft or will the RAF take pver design authority?With the amount of operational tristars in the world I would be surprised if they still did.This was part of the reason Concorde was withdrawn as EADS withdrew their support of the type.
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I suggested going for charter to Cyprus and then jumping on something else to complete the journey.
C130 Techie jumped in with the correct answer to 'use the Hercs' in that they can't do it either. I knew a resident of Lyneham would
There is only one answer...well maybe 2...get some new frames NOW! Government get your chequebook out and whilst you're at it buy some more rotary.
Or do away with the need for DAS, and the ins and outs of that decision are not for discussion here so please don't.
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C130 Techie jumped in with the correct answer to 'use the Hercs' in that they can't do it either. I knew a resident of Lyneham would
There is only one answer...well maybe 2...get some new frames NOW! Government get your chequebook out and whilst you're at it buy some more rotary.
Or do away with the need for DAS, and the ins and outs of that decision are not for discussion here so please don't.
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Or do away with the need for DAS, and the ins and outs of that decision are not for discussion here so please don't.
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Think the issue here is yep the movers are working hard at Akt, and everywhere around the route.
Someone else suggested having the backbone to stand up and say they are too tired to work and strength of will! hmmm interesting comment, do they have a shift system? think it allows suitable R and R time!
How many times are they asked to work 24 hr shifts? there are people on the airbridge that did, and within the rules.
However VASS at AKT are probably some of the best people when it comes to marshalling vehicles around the aircraft and chocking them etc etc, and they work pretty hard as well and do pretty well avoiding driving in to airplanes.
The big issue thats probably going to come out of this is admitting the mistake!!!
Mistakes!!! we all make em, but when you do make a mistake, put your hand up and say you have done it! dont wait to see if anybody saw you
Someone else suggested having the backbone to stand up and say they are too tired to work and strength of will! hmmm interesting comment, do they have a shift system? think it allows suitable R and R time!
How many times are they asked to work 24 hr shifts? there are people on the airbridge that did, and within the rules.
However VASS at AKT are probably some of the best people when it comes to marshalling vehicles around the aircraft and chocking them etc etc, and they work pretty hard as well and do pretty well avoiding driving in to airplanes.
The big issue thats probably going to come out of this is admitting the mistake!!!
Mistakes!!! we all make em, but when you do make a mistake, put your hand up and say you have done it! dont wait to see if anybody saw you
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Roll you eyes all you want, but why mention it at all other than to try and make yourself sound clever but at the same time avoid being prompted further on WTF you actually know about such things with the use of "shh, its secret"?
Those who know what their talking about wouldn't have brought it up and anyone else who mentions it (you and I at the moment I guess) probably haven't got a clue about the decisions made behind allowing non-DAS aircraft into places such as Afghanistan.
Those who know what their talking about wouldn't have brought it up and anyone else who mentions it (you and I at the moment I guess) probably haven't got a clue about the decisions made behind allowing non-DAS aircraft into places such as Afghanistan.
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I neither know of the circumstances surrounding this incident nor wish to offer excuses for any negligent actions.
However, everyone involved with the airbridge has been left in no doubt as to the operational significance of every aircraft movement and the impact of failure on the the 'poor bloody infantry' who are fighting this particular war. The nature of service personnel under such circumstances is to try to get the job done, with some attendant pressure to cut-corners on occasion. Most of the time they get away with it, but perhaps this time they didn't. On any other day most folks on here would lambast the AT system if a mover refused to manoeuvre a baggage-loader without a banksman, causing a delay which put the crew out of hours, resulting in a 12-hour extra nightstop . I have no doubt that such a person would be described as a "jobsworth" and would have their commitment seriously questioned.
The "can-do" attitude expected from those at the coal-face is a sticking-plaster that is used to cover-up the real problem - lack of resources. Two unserviceable aircraft should not have such a wide impact on British Military operations. Rather than seeking to point the finger at lowly individuals, or to generalize about trade groups, the searching questions should be aimed those who are supposed to be leading, managing and equipping the organization.
However, everyone involved with the airbridge has been left in no doubt as to the operational significance of every aircraft movement and the impact of failure on the the 'poor bloody infantry' who are fighting this particular war. The nature of service personnel under such circumstances is to try to get the job done, with some attendant pressure to cut-corners on occasion. Most of the time they get away with it, but perhaps this time they didn't. On any other day most folks on here would lambast the AT system if a mover refused to manoeuvre a baggage-loader without a banksman, causing a delay which put the crew out of hours, resulting in a 12-hour extra nightstop . I have no doubt that such a person would be described as a "jobsworth" and would have their commitment seriously questioned.
The "can-do" attitude expected from those at the coal-face is a sticking-plaster that is used to cover-up the real problem - lack of resources. Two unserviceable aircraft should not have such a wide impact on British Military operations. Rather than seeking to point the finger at lowly individuals, or to generalize about trade groups, the searching questions should be aimed those who are supposed to be leading, managing and equipping the organization.
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Driving into a large transport aircraft, that is clearly visable is not a mistake.
Yes accidents happen but rules are put in place to try and ensure they DONT happen.
For Steps? tp strike an aileron they/he/she must have been driving under the wing in the first place...
Yes accidents happen but rules are put in place to try and ensure they DONT happen.
For Steps? tp strike an aileron they/he/she must have been driving under the wing in the first place...
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A Tri-Strar is u/s in Akrotiri at the moment. Set of steps driven into wing. Long wait for possible new aileron.
If not, then surely one could be flown out within 24 hrs.
Accidents happen for whatever reason, having the ability/resource to manage and minimise their impact is key to operating effectively.
Being in the airline world i can assure you that picking up an aileron for a widebody within 24 hours on an aircraft that is in production today is pretty unlikely . The cost of those items means they dont sit on shelves in stores !!! So the chances of one being easily available for a T* is remote . Not knowing the a/c there is probably also the chance that because of the mixed origin of the fleet it might not even be an option to rob one from an a/c on maintenance ! Quick trip to Mojave with a cheque book and toolbox maybe .........!!
There is crewmember on Tri-Stars whose mother was a flight attendant on the same a/c over 30 years ago!!
2008 - 1986 = 22Is she older than that?
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Why the long wait? Doesn't Akrotiri carry T* spares?
Goudie, are you for real? When there are insufficient spares at the Main Operating Base for most aircraft, how do you expect them to be stored down route?
Do we write a list of every component on each AT type, then buy sufficient to store at every en-route location/destination?
The spares in question are no doubt en route now using a well tried system, made possible because the little money we do have is not spent on supporting large warehouses full of components for many fleets, at dozens of airfields around the world!
Why the long wait? Doesn't Akrotiri carry T* spares?
Goudie, are you for real? When there are insufficient spares at the Main Operating Base for most aircraft, how do you expect them to be stored down route?
Do we write a list of every component on each AT type, then buy sufficient to store at every en-route location/destination?
The spares in question are no doubt en route now using a well tried system, made possible because the little money we do have is not spent on supporting large warehouses full of components for many fleets, at dozens of airfields around the world!
