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Caa/faa
so bus driver, does the RAF just throw DAC onboard without any rules??
ie....
ICAO or JSP335 DAC regs..!!
oh f#*K it, lets make it up as we go along as no-one gives a rats backside !!
until it all goes t1ts up !! then blame the movers for not doing there job...!!
ICAO is a civil document that the trade uses to ensure cargo is packed according to regulations, JSP335 is more specific to Military equipment not covered by the ICAO..
by the way, are all the airways in the world military airways...??
i think not...
they are set up for all flyers but as most aircraft in the air are civil carriers then CAA/FAA rules apply to all...that was my understanding of the rules..
Auntie Bets flying club are further down the food chain old boy in my book..
best laugh i had was a VC10 capt asking me if the Loadie was stacking bags in the rear hold...!!
after i picked myself up from a severe laughing fit...he wasnt impressed when i said i have never seen a loadie stack bags on a 10...!! not in 3 tours at BZZ or anywhere for that matter...
Anyone remember the "pins pulled" saga at BZZ circa Op Corporate..??
ie....
ICAO or JSP335 DAC regs..!!
oh f#*K it, lets make it up as we go along as no-one gives a rats backside !!
until it all goes t1ts up !! then blame the movers for not doing there job...!!
ICAO is a civil document that the trade uses to ensure cargo is packed according to regulations, JSP335 is more specific to Military equipment not covered by the ICAO..
by the way, are all the airways in the world military airways...??
i think not...
they are set up for all flyers but as most aircraft in the air are civil carriers then CAA/FAA rules apply to all...that was my understanding of the rules..
Auntie Bets flying club are further down the food chain old boy in my book..
best laugh i had was a VC10 capt asking me if the Loadie was stacking bags in the rear hold...!!
after i picked myself up from a severe laughing fit...he wasnt impressed when i said i have never seen a loadie stack bags on a 10...!! not in 3 tours at BZZ or anywhere for that matter...
Anyone remember the "pins pulled" saga at BZZ circa Op Corporate..??
LL:
Are all the airways in the world CAA/FAA airways....?
I think not...
Aircraft operate to the rules of the Aviation Authority governing that operator, with the additional obligation to obey the national restrictions of the airspace in which they fly. As regards the first requirement, UK military aircraft are supposed to operate to the rules laid down by their Aviation Authority, ie the MOD and its individual Commands. I say supposed to because it has been abundantly clear from other threads that the MOD's Airworthiness Regulations are not, and have not been for some time, properly enforced. Now we see from this thread that the basic cabin safety and weight and balance rules are subject to "needs must" interpretation. The sooner enforcement authority is removed from the MOD and placed with an independent authority charged with that duty the sooner the spectre of the next avoidable accident coming down the line can be diminished.
by the way, are all the airways in the world military airways...??
i think not...
they are set up for all flyers but as most aircraft in the air are civil carriers then CAA/FAA rules apply to all...that was my understanding of the rules..
i think not...
they are set up for all flyers but as most aircraft in the air are civil carriers then CAA/FAA rules apply to all...that was my understanding of the rules..
I think not...
Aircraft operate to the rules of the Aviation Authority governing that operator, with the additional obligation to obey the national restrictions of the airspace in which they fly. As regards the first requirement, UK military aircraft are supposed to operate to the rules laid down by their Aviation Authority, ie the MOD and its individual Commands. I say supposed to because it has been abundantly clear from other threads that the MOD's Airworthiness Regulations are not, and have not been for some time, properly enforced. Now we see from this thread that the basic cabin safety and weight and balance rules are subject to "needs must" interpretation. The sooner enforcement authority is removed from the MOD and placed with an independent authority charged with that duty the sooner the spectre of the next avoidable accident coming down the line can be diminished.
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Why would he be stacking bags, surely he is paid to supervise muppets like you, not assist you. If he was there to help, then surely there would be greater parity in pay?
best laugh i had was a VC10 capt asking me if the Loadie was stacking bags in the rear hold...!!
after i picked myself up from a severe laughing fit...he wasnt impressed when i said i have never seen a loadie stack bags on a 10...!! not in 3 tours at BZZ or anywhere for that matter...
after i picked myself up from a severe laughing fit...he wasnt impressed when i said i have never seen a loadie stack bags on a 10...!! not in 3 tours at BZZ or anywhere for that matter...
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Any word of what happened to the guy who clobbered the Tri* in the first place?
Last heard, he was having a laugh, joke then finger prodded by the crew. Anyone know the outcome?
Just curious, that's all.
Last heard, he was having a laugh, joke then finger prodded by the crew. Anyone know the outcome?
Just curious, that's all.
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Yep,
It was a Beagle. The pilot and our C.O. were killed. Avtur just doesn't work in piston aircraft. I didn't know that people ended up in jail though.
It was a Beagle. The pilot and our C.O. were killed. Avtur just doesn't work in piston aircraft. I didn't know that people ended up in jail though.
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Sorry, but without all the "Who did what's". Do you not think its time that the RAF chucked the Tristars? There is a good reason the airlines don't use them anymore. With the anual maintanance bill alone you could probably run A330's (or similar) all day. Spares are no problem, and you can get them fixed anywhere in the world. Most of the charter airlines have untilisation of around 5,000 hours per year, exactly the same amount of time it takes to locate most spares for the Tri. The troops/service personnel deserve a reliable, dependable service. I worked Tri's in the 80's and they were cr$p then so chr%st knows what they must be like then. With reliable a/c you could even have, shock horror, a schedule. If that F*ck witt over at Paddy Air can pull it off why not Betties Flying Circus. There are much cheaper viable options available.
OK rant over, I just think you guys and galls deserve better! Just don't get me started on the Nimrod project, for the price of that $%%^^&* Grrr! you could have funded what you needed x 4 and still have cash for decent carpets!
OK rant over, I just think you guys and galls deserve better! Just don't get me started on the Nimrod project, for the price of that $%%^^&* Grrr! you could have funded what you needed x 4 and still have cash for decent carpets!
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It was a Beagle. The pilot and our C.O. were killed. Avtur just doesn't work in piston aircraft. I didn't know that people ended up in jail though.
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The old girls are not actually that unreliable, if you look at our departure/arrival stats you'd see this. The main reason civvies stopped using the old girl is because she burns 8000kg a hour and requires 3 on the flight deck. Our main problems come from either external sources (movers wanting to mate their vehicles with our aircraft, bird strike on take off yesterday, ect) or the bit of kit we strapped to the old girl to make sure it is safe to go where the civvies won't. The problem with the airbridge stems from the fact we only have a small fleet of C2/C2A's (passenger aircraft for the uninitiated). If the departing aircraft is not fit for task for any reason then we have 3 options, wait for a C2/C2A to arrive back so it can go straight back out on the next task or transfer the task to a freighter fitted out with passenger seats (time consumimg, gives us ZFW and baggage issues) or not go and cause slippage in the airbridge that has to be caught up later. Unfortunately due to unservicability caused by a lot of outside factors recently, we have had to do all 3 of the above a lot over the past 2 months. The ideal solution would be to more spare C2/C2A's, the idea has been voiced, whether it will happen is another thing (bet the FSTA contractors would have something to say about it). Anyway not my problem any more I'm posted
The old girls are not actually that unreliable, if you look at our departure/arrival stats you'd see this. The main reason civvies stopped using the old girl is because she burns 8000kg a hour and requires 3 on the flight deck. Our main problems come from either external sources (movers wanting to mate their vehicles with our aircraft, bird strike on take off yesterday, ect) or the bit of kit we strapped to the old girl to make sure it is safe to go where the civvies won't. The problem with the airbridge stems from the fact we only have a small fleet of C2/C2A's (passenger aircraft for the uninitiated). If the departing aircraft is not fit for task for any reason then we have 3 options, wait for a C2/C2A to arrive back so it can go straight back out on the next task or transfer the task to a freighter fitted out with passenger seats (time consumimg, gives us ZFW and baggage issues) or not go and cause slippage in the airbridge that has to be caught up later. Unfortunately due to unservicability caused by a lot of outside factors recently, we have had to do all 3 of the above a lot over the past 2 months. The ideal solution would be to more spare C2/C2A's, the idea has been voiced, whether it will happen is another thing (bet the FSTA contractors would have something to say about it). Anyway not my problem any more I'm posted
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or the bit of kit we strapped to the old girl to make sure it is safe to go where the civvies won't.
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It was a Beagle. The pilot and our C.O. were killed. Avtur just doesn't work in piston aircraft. I didn't know that people ended up in jail though.
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airborne aircrew, ah that shows what you know eh? whats the height of the hills round there?
Think about it, would have to be higher than 25k
ooh and well said sideshow
you will miss it really
Think about it, would have to be higher than 25k
ooh and well said sideshow
you will miss it really
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Out of intrest do Lockheed still support the aircraft or will RAF take over design authority
When I retired an other Lockheed engineer replaced me at BZN and worked til 2004 or 2005, when Lockheed lost the support contact to Marshall.
Marshall has had design authority for the modifications required for the Tankers and Tanker/Freighters, but Lockheed still maintained design authority for the remainder of the aircraft and the PAX aircraft.
I know the L-1011 Support Center is still operating (with a much reduced staff) but how much support they currently provide to the RAF, I can not be sure.