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Hmm. Have you tried getting a genuinely ill person who has paid tax onto the DLA? Someone who hasn't been sponging off the system since they were in nappies? You may want to re-think some of your facile retorts.
Require tangible medical evidence for claims of disability living allowance.
Green Meat,
Yes, it's one of the things I do for a living!
Yes, it's one of the things I do for a living!
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prOOne,
Thanks for the endorsement across most areas. I don't claim to be either a New Tory or Conservative (cheap shot I know) but believe a totally fresh approach is needed. Whether this is done by a current party showing an uncommon amount of bravery in trying to seek out new, realistic voters with a sense of fairness or by a new party doesn't matter to me.
A reviewed council tax paid for per head seems fair to everyone never mind those adult children who remain at home. Those on unemployment or pension credit have it waived anyway.
I voted New Labour in 1997 and Conservative last time. I truly believe that the current bunch have lost their way and become a little too comfortable cosseted in power. My adage would be the same as that in 1997, "It's time for a change".
I think you will find that the vast majority of those in politics have a legal* background. My argument would be that a broad background of experience and knowledge in a party, particularly in its elected representatives. I have to concede that by drafting legislation lawyers are needed, but not at the levels we have now. Professional politicians, grown through the system in the manner of US interns, should be sent out to gain experience in the real world.
*For the purposes of the argument ex - Trade Union Officials count as (barrack room) lawyers.
Thanks for the endorsement across most areas. I don't claim to be either a New Tory or Conservative (cheap shot I know) but believe a totally fresh approach is needed. Whether this is done by a current party showing an uncommon amount of bravery in trying to seek out new, realistic voters with a sense of fairness or by a new party doesn't matter to me.
A reviewed council tax paid for per head seems fair to everyone never mind those adult children who remain at home. Those on unemployment or pension credit have it waived anyway.
I voted New Labour in 1997 and Conservative last time. I truly believe that the current bunch have lost their way and become a little too comfortable cosseted in power. My adage would be the same as that in 1997, "It's time for a change".
I think you will find that the vast majority of those in politics have a legal* background. My argument would be that a broad background of experience and knowledge in a party, particularly in its elected representatives. I have to concede that by drafting legislation lawyers are needed, but not at the levels we have now. Professional politicians, grown through the system in the manner of US interns, should be sent out to gain experience in the real world.
*For the purposes of the argument ex - Trade Union Officials count as (barrack room) lawyers.
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Point of Information, Pr00ne -
Why do you appear to support punitive taxation on high earners when in an earlier post:
...you were decrying it. Which is it to be? Punitive taxation will only lead to the best and brightest seeking work overseas, as happened in the 60's and became a major factor in the depression of the 70s.
Why should they? The biggest factor that makes a school 'fail' is the ill-disciplined, worthless little scrotes that get sent there. Why punish people who have worked hard to put their children through a decent education by inflicting yobbery on them? You cannot teach those who do not wish to learn, no matter how good the school is; a point proven by several 'experiments' on this very proposal. The best way of breaking the poverty chain is to allow bright and talented kids (as determined by a school's entrance exam, not by lefty politicians) from poor backgrounds to attend private schools, funded by the govt. This was done by the Tories, and benefitted many (myself included) until it was scrapped by Labour as soon as they came to power.
ER, NO IT ISN'T! A family of 4 can live their entire lives on an equivalent income of around Ł24k pa without ever having to lift a finger, particularly if the adults claim they are "too depressed" to work, a claim for which no tangible and verifyable medical evidence is required whatsoever (apart from visiting a GP and telling him you are depressed).
Sadly, already done. The new body (EO commision? - can't remember its official title) will be unelected, unaccountable and answer to no-one. It will have the power to investigate and prosecute any body or individual without requiring authority from govt or the courts. The beginnings of a police state, except without the accountability and codes of conduct that govern the police. George Orwell must be turning in his grave.....
Alternatively, how about restoring the tax incentives that encouraged one parent to stay at home and do their f***ing job, ie bring their OWN children up? Then maybe we wouldn't have little bastards roaming the streets at all hours causing mayhem, if they had someone to come home to and answer to!
Just my thoughts.....
16B
Introduce a higher rate of income tax of 50% for all earners of Ł150,000pa and 60% for incomes of 250%. Reduce current higher rate to 30%.
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
You try paying 60% tax and then 90% over a certain sum, believe me it hurt.
Legislate so all private schools must take 10% of its intake made up of pupils from failing schools in order to break the poverty chain.
EXCELLENT IDEA!
EXCELLENT IDEA!
Make full unemployment benefit payable for only a limited period, then reducing with time.
ER, IT ALREADY IS!
Require tangible medical evidence for claims of disability living allowance.
ER, IT ALREADY IS!
ER, IT ALREADY IS!
Require tangible medical evidence for claims of disability living allowance.
ER, IT ALREADY IS!
Combine all special interest commission into one board, i.e. Racial, Disability,etc.
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
Introduce child care in all primary schools and remove all child benefits and child tax credits.
INTERESTING, WONDER IF THAT WOULD BE COST NEGATIVE?
INTERESTING, WONDER IF THAT WOULD BE COST NEGATIVE?
Just my thoughts.....
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16B,
My proposal was to decrease the current amount of income tax paid by most middle earners of 40% to 30% as more and more of the population have fallen into this band in the last 10 years.
I would then increase tax of the 'wealthy' and then increase again to those who could be termed rich, imo.
This seems fair to me, especially when coupled with binning CGT.
I cannot have kids so the idea of your proposal to re-introduce married 'man's' tax allowance is attractive, however I think the main thrust of getting mothers back into the work place is to pay for the ever increasing burden of an aging society, which is unavoidable. I do begrudge paying for these child tax credits when I will never benefit but I see that it is necessary. I do believe that state child care could work by simply being bolted on to existing primary schools, or even secondary schools. It might even get post-maternal teachers back into the classroom quicker.
Disruptive pupils tend to be from those families who could be considered caught in the poverty trap which perpetuates through generations. By sending small amounts to good schools, possibly sponsored by business and/or alumni may help break this poverty chain. Once it is broken for a generation I think it highly unlikely it would occur again.
My proposal was to decrease the current amount of income tax paid by most middle earners of 40% to 30% as more and more of the population have fallen into this band in the last 10 years.
I would then increase tax of the 'wealthy' and then increase again to those who could be termed rich, imo.
This seems fair to me, especially when coupled with binning CGT.
I cannot have kids so the idea of your proposal to re-introduce married 'man's' tax allowance is attractive, however I think the main thrust of getting mothers back into the work place is to pay for the ever increasing burden of an aging society, which is unavoidable. I do begrudge paying for these child tax credits when I will never benefit but I see that it is necessary. I do believe that state child care could work by simply being bolted on to existing primary schools, or even secondary schools. It might even get post-maternal teachers back into the classroom quicker.
Disruptive pupils tend to be from those families who could be considered caught in the poverty trap which perpetuates through generations. By sending small amounts to good schools, possibly sponsored by business and/or alumni may help break this poverty chain. Once it is broken for a generation I think it highly unlikely it would occur again.
One thing they should do is put money into R & D alternative energy sources. Good from an enviromental point of view, good from an economic point of view (build/develop/export our own wind/wave etc systems - possibly offshore, instead of importing them) and reduces the dependence of the UK/West on Oil.
Also, interest free loans or low interest loans for inventors or innovators. There was programme on local TV recently on someone who has developed a prosthetic arm that gives the patient much better use of their fingers than existing one. This has involved Scientists and Engineers doing all sorts of work. Now they need to produce it in sufficient numbers and at an appropriate cost to make its use feasible. This needs investment to go from being R&D company to a manufacturing one. But it depends on private investors - surely the Government should help in this situation?
Also, interest free loans or low interest loans for inventors or innovators. There was programme on local TV recently on someone who has developed a prosthetic arm that gives the patient much better use of their fingers than existing one. This has involved Scientists and Engineers doing all sorts of work. Now they need to produce it in sufficient numbers and at an appropriate cost to make its use feasible. This needs investment to go from being R&D company to a manufacturing one. But it depends on private investors - surely the Government should help in this situation?
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Quotes:
1)
"...more people than ever before are leaving the UK..." why on earth do you think this is happening? This mass exodus, this new brain drain?
2)
"...we need immigrants to replace the people who are leaving..."
NO WE F*****G DON'T!! WE NEED TO KEEP THESE PROFESSIONALS AND THEIR SERVICES THAT WERE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE UK TAXPAYER WHO ARE NOW LEAVING THIS COUNTRY IN DROVES BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING F**K UPS BY THIS F*****G (lack of) GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A) INCREASING TAXATION.
B) LACK OF LAW AND ORDER AND DETERRENT SENTENCING.
C) LACK OF TRUST AND ACCOUNTABILITY FROM GOVERNMENT.
D) SURRENDERING OF OUR INDEPENDENCE TO EUROPE.
E) SPIN, BULLSH1T & QANGOS.
F) CONTRIDICTING STANCE ON TERRORISM INTERNATIONALLY AND DOMESTICALLY - I.E. FIGHTING AL QAEDA, APPEASING THE I.R.A.
G) THE MOTHER OF ALL F**K UPS THAT IS THE "GOVERNMENTS IMMIGRATION POLICY".
H) THEIR LACK OF ABILITY TO HOLD THEIR HAND UP AND ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY WHEN THINGS GO WRONG INSTEAD OF RELYING ON THAT OLD CHESTNUT "THE TORIES! THE TORIES...!!!"
I) TONY BLIARS (or any Labour luvvie, Looney leftie officiado) INABILITY TO GIVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER TO A STRAIGHT QUESTION.
AND LOTS, LOTS MORE.!!!!!!
The Armys' of Professionals leaving these shores feel let down, dis-enfranchised and like second class citizens in our own country. Let down by someone who we thought was worthy of our trust and has let us down badly. These traditional 40% tax bracket earners are really pi55ed off.
I should know, I became an ex-pat after giving this government 5 years to get its sh1t together. I bailed out after seeing my beloved country sliding towards the abyss. I had to pass an HIV, TB and HEP A,B and C check to gain a work and residency visa to get in here (the UAE) as does everybody and we don't f*****g complain, its just another hoop to jump through. Labour Loonie Luvvies and Lilly Livered Liberals have buggered up the UK beyond belief and to the Aussies, Kiwis, Zimbo's, Boks and Cannucks I work with, the UK is a laughing stock. I take a little consolation in the bleetings from the Eurogees who say that ALL of Europe is the same- High tax, crap service.
Quotes:
1)
"...more people than ever before are leaving the UK..." why on earth do you think this is happening? This mass exodus, this new brain drain?
2)
"...we need immigrants to replace the people who are leaving..."
NO WE F*****G DON'T!! WE NEED TO KEEP THESE PROFESSIONALS AND THEIR SERVICES THAT WERE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE UK TAXPAYER WHO ARE NOW LEAVING THIS COUNTRY IN DROVES BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING F**K UPS BY THIS F*****G (lack of) GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A) INCREASING TAXATION.
B) LACK OF LAW AND ORDER AND DETERRENT SENTENCING.
C) LACK OF TRUST AND ACCOUNTABILITY FROM GOVERNMENT.
D) SURRENDERING OF OUR INDEPENDENCE TO EUROPE.
E) SPIN, BULLSH1T & QANGOS.
F) CONTRIDICTING STANCE ON TERRORISM INTERNATIONALLY AND DOMESTICALLY - I.E. FIGHTING AL QAEDA, APPEASING THE I.R.A.
G) THE MOTHER OF ALL F**K UPS THAT IS THE "GOVERNMENTS IMMIGRATION POLICY".
H) THEIR LACK OF ABILITY TO HOLD THEIR HAND UP AND ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY WHEN THINGS GO WRONG INSTEAD OF RELYING ON THAT OLD CHESTNUT "THE TORIES! THE TORIES...!!!"
I) TONY BLIARS (or any Labour luvvie, Looney leftie officiado) INABILITY TO GIVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER TO A STRAIGHT QUESTION.
AND LOTS, LOTS MORE.!!!!!!
The Armys' of Professionals leaving these shores feel let down, dis-enfranchised and like second class citizens in our own country. Let down by someone who we thought was worthy of our trust and has let us down badly. These traditional 40% tax bracket earners are really pi55ed off.
I should know, I became an ex-pat after giving this government 5 years to get its sh1t together. I bailed out after seeing my beloved country sliding towards the abyss. I had to pass an HIV, TB and HEP A,B and C check to gain a work and residency visa to get in here (the UAE) as does everybody and we don't f*****g complain, its just another hoop to jump through. Labour Loonie Luvvies and Lilly Livered Liberals have buggered up the UK beyond belief and to the Aussies, Kiwis, Zimbo's, Boks and Cannucks I work with, the UK is a laughing stock. I take a little consolation in the bleetings from the Eurogees who say that ALL of Europe is the same- High tax, crap service.
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My proposal was to decrease the current amount of income tax paid by most middle earners of 40% to 30% as more and more of the population have fallen into this band in the last 10 years.
I would then increase tax of the 'wealthy' and then increase again to those who could be termed rich, imo
Disruptive pupils tend to be from those families who could be considered caught in the poverty trap
I am all for offering places in good schools to poorer kids, but there is no point in giving an opportunity to someone who either cannot, or will not, make use of it. Places should be given to poorer kids who can show that they have the ability and the motivation to make something of themselves, not just because they are 'poor'.
Once it is broken for a generation I think it highly unlikely it would occur again.
1. Assited places at private schools for capable youngsters who cannot afford it.
2. Giving council tenants the right to buy their home, allowing them to see some benefit from the money they would have spent on rent.
My parents did this, and now live quite comfortably in a very nice property, despite my father only ever earning a very modest wage. Both these policies were designed to allow people at the bottom of the socio-economic scale to make something of themselves under their own efforts, and free them from dependence on local authorities. It is interesting to note that:
Point 1 - a TORY policy, abolished by Labour the minute they took power.
Point 2 - a TORY policy, now severely restricted by Labour.
Labour do not want people at the bottom of the pile to be freed from dependence, since this would erode their core support. They would rather attack those higher up the scale, bringing everyone down to the lowest common denominator in the name of 'equality'. Were it not for the above-mentioned TORY policies, I and my family would not be where we are today. Think about that.
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Mc...................get real
Less that 50k crabs world wide and we are supposed to somehow shape the form of the next government
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
Less that 50k crabs world wide and we are supposed to somehow shape the form of the next government
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
Pontius,
Ah, I see you are ranting and raving about the UK from afar? I was confused by your profile stating you were in Manchester?
You do seem rather confused, on the one hand claiming that we desparately need to retain the services of professionals in the UK yet on the other hand claiming that you are now living in the UAE?
I wouldn’t exactly claim we are suffering a brain drain, a very large proportion of those who leave the UK are fairly recent immigrants, a large percentage of those who leave are very blue collar, especially those fleeing to the sun.
As to your quote of “The armys of professionals leaving these shores………….”
I think that is a situation you fervently wish was true to back up how you feel about the UK.
Aussies, Kiwis, Zimbos, Boks and Canucks really think the UK is a laughing stock do they? Really?
Then how come there are SO many of them already here in the UK and literally thousands more applying? There are numerous “professionals” from those nations in my line of work, all over here for the challenges and buzz of a really dynamic economy and truly eclectic environment. They enjoy being a part of the world’s 4th largest economy and one of the fastest growing on the planet that provides them with so much more than their own nations can.
Hope life in the UAE is pleasant for you, democracy is obviously not a factor in deciding where you live.
That open and accountable regime must be such a refreshing change from Blair and the UK.
Ah, I see you are ranting and raving about the UK from afar? I was confused by your profile stating you were in Manchester?
You do seem rather confused, on the one hand claiming that we desparately need to retain the services of professionals in the UK yet on the other hand claiming that you are now living in the UAE?
I wouldn’t exactly claim we are suffering a brain drain, a very large proportion of those who leave the UK are fairly recent immigrants, a large percentage of those who leave are very blue collar, especially those fleeing to the sun.
As to your quote of “The armys of professionals leaving these shores………….”
I think that is a situation you fervently wish was true to back up how you feel about the UK.
Aussies, Kiwis, Zimbos, Boks and Canucks really think the UK is a laughing stock do they? Really?
Then how come there are SO many of them already here in the UK and literally thousands more applying? There are numerous “professionals” from those nations in my line of work, all over here for the challenges and buzz of a really dynamic economy and truly eclectic environment. They enjoy being a part of the world’s 4th largest economy and one of the fastest growing on the planet that provides them with so much more than their own nations can.
Hope life in the UAE is pleasant for you, democracy is obviously not a factor in deciding where you live.
That open and accountable regime must be such a refreshing change from Blair and the UK.
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BEagle,
Amended to please right wing ranting Daily mail reading old fart who is almost as annoying as Legal secretaries who catch me out on exactly the same thing!
Amended to please right wing ranting Daily mail reading old fart who is almost as annoying as Legal secretaries who catch me out on exactly the same thing!
Oh bolleaux...I meant to type 'ipso' but the ageing digits porked up!
And (yes, nowadays I am allowed to start sentences with conjunctions now that I don't have to bother with Defence Writing kiddy-speak), it's:
Daily Mail
and
legal secretaries.
His verbis dictis, autem................
And (yes, nowadays I am allowed to start sentences with conjunctions now that I don't have to bother with Defence Writing kiddy-speak), it's:
Daily Mail
and
legal secretaries.
His verbis dictis, autem................
BEagle,
Hhhmm..............
Is your REAL name Carole?
Hhhmm..............
Is your REAL name Carole?
Been 'away' for a while but would like to thank Pontious for his "member of the Labour looney left jibe".
Blimp is dead long live Blimp!
Amateur Daily Mail leader writer in why oh why Looney Lefty Red Ken King Arthur Blairite Mandy Milburn hang 'em & flog 'em tax & spend fox hunting brain drain Johnny foreigner no surrender anecdotal shocker!
Blimp is dead long live Blimp!
Amateur Daily Mail leader writer in why oh why Looney Lefty Red Ken King Arthur Blairite Mandy Milburn hang 'em & flog 'em tax & spend fox hunting brain drain Johnny foreigner no surrender anecdotal shocker!