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"...what will take a hit this time...?" well hopefully the Bullsh1t, red tape, crippling taxation, the queues of illegal immigrants and a few policies dictated by common sense, for a common cause, with a common theme that will benefit people other than the Legions of Illegals camped on our borders, that will no longer swell the coffers of 'The Party Faithfull' heavyweight financial donors and that will dent the over confident- under competant, over inflated, over fattened, cantankerous, complacent ego's that prowl the corridors of Downing Street and Millbank.
"...what will take a hit this time...?" well hopefully the Bullsh1t, red tape, crippling taxation, the queues of illegal immigrants and a few policies dictated by common sense, for a common cause, with a common theme that will benefit people other than the Legions of Illegals camped on our borders, that will no longer swell the coffers of 'The Party Faithfull' heavyweight financial donors and that will dent the over confident- under competant, over inflated, over fattened, cantankerous, complacent ego's that prowl the corridors of Downing Street and Millbank.
Pontius,
Put your Daily Mail down for a second and look at the real world, we have a declining population, more people leave the UK every year than enter it, we NEED these immigrants very badly. They are your dental assistants, your trained nurses, your Doctors and your Bus drivers. They are also your lawyers. I have a close colleague who was an illegal immigrant from Iraq many years ago, now fully legal he is a super guy and a very talented Lawyer. Even Michael howards father was an alleged illegal immigrant.
Red tape I agree with whole heartedly, crippling taxation? Really? Where were you in the 1970's?
Put your Daily Mail down for a second and look at the real world, we have a declining population, more people leave the UK every year than enter it, we NEED these immigrants very badly. They are your dental assistants, your trained nurses, your Doctors and your Bus drivers. They are also your lawyers. I have a close colleague who was an illegal immigrant from Iraq many years ago, now fully legal he is a super guy and a very talented Lawyer. Even Michael howards father was an alleged illegal immigrant.
Red tape I agree with whole heartedly, crippling taxation? Really? Where were you in the 1970's?
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With regards to tax, the income tax in the 70's (under the the Labour govt of Callahan et al) did appear crippling - however with VAT at 7%, inheritance tax only affecting a select few very rich families, a reasonably fair rate system and very few other taxes the whole tax burden on an average family was below what it is now.
These days you are taxed at least 3 times on every penny you earn. In addition to this whenever you buy a house anywhere south of Leeds you pay 3% stamp duty. When you leave your house in your will your offspring have to sell it to give the government 40% of the value. The government take hundereds of million of pounds in traffic offence violations - thanks to speed cameras. There are £100 fines for individuals not filling out their tax returns - a job until recently actually carried out by government officials..... please don't say we are better off tax wise now than in the 70s!!!
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With regards to tax, the income tax in the 70's (under the the Labour govt of Callahan et al) did appear crippling - however with VAT at 7%, inheritance tax only affecting a select few very rich families, a reasonably fair rate system and very few other taxes the whole tax burden on an average family was below what it is now.
These days you are taxed at least 3 times on every penny you earn. In addition to this whenever you buy a house anywhere south of Leeds you pay 3% stamp duty. When you leave your house in your will your offspring have to sell it to give the government 40% of the value. The government take hundereds of million of pounds in traffic offence violations - thanks to speed cameras. There are £100 fines for individuals not filling out their tax returns - a job until recently actually carried out by government officials..... please don't say we are better off tax wise now than in the 70s!!!
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These days you are taxed at least 3 times on every penny you earn. In addition to this whenever you buy a house anywhere south of Leeds you pay 3% stamp duty. When you leave your house in your will your offspring have to sell it to give the government 40% of the value. The government take hundereds of million of pounds in traffic offence violations - thanks to speed cameras. There are £100 fines for individuals not filling out their tax returns - a job until recently actually carried out by government officials..... please don't say we are better off tax wise now than in the 70s!!!
VOTE LABOUR
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Hyd3Failure,
He is much worse than that - he is in fact a radical progressive lefty masquerading as a friend to business and the middle classes who put him in power in the first place - in other words, a professional bullsh1tter pretending to be all things to all men.
If he is as right wing as you claim, why on earth would you and other lefties like pr00ne wish to see him remain in power? At least have some integrity in your politics!
DO NOT VOTE LABOUR, or you will end up just like Hyd3Failure!
16B
His royal Tonyness is more Conservative than that awful Thatcher woman.
If he is as right wing as you claim, why on earth would you and other lefties like pr00ne wish to see him remain in power? At least have some integrity in your politics!
DO NOT VOTE LABOUR, or you will end up just like Hyd3Failure!
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Lafyar Cokov,
You try paying 60% tax and then 90% over a certain sum, believe me it hurt. I represent clients who could not afford to live in the UK in the 70's who are happily domiciled here now.
VAT from 7 to 17.5% most peole wouldn't notice, all the others are valid points but have been raised by ALL regimes in the last 30 years.
If you don't want to pay so much tax what are you prepared to lose? Defence, Public services, education, transport infrastructure?
Part of the economic problems of the last 25 years has been that we have never paid our way as a society, we simply do not pay enough tax to pay for what as a rich country we should be investing.
You try paying 60% tax and then 90% over a certain sum, believe me it hurt. I represent clients who could not afford to live in the UK in the 70's who are happily domiciled here now.
VAT from 7 to 17.5% most peole wouldn't notice, all the others are valid points but have been raised by ALL regimes in the last 30 years.
If you don't want to pay so much tax what are you prepared to lose? Defence, Public services, education, transport infrastructure?
Part of the economic problems of the last 25 years has been that we have never paid our way as a society, we simply do not pay enough tax to pay for what as a rich country we should be investing.
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If you don't want to pay so much tax what are you prepared to lose?
The 750,000 public sector jobs created out of thin air by this government, largely to look after the interests of narrowly-defined minority groups.
The huge sums handed out to bogus asylum seekers, illegal imigrants, workshy scroungers milking the incapacity benefit system, the stupendous legal aid bill to support any / all of the above.
Endless commisions / focus groups set up to discover if bears do, in fact, sh1t in the woods or if the pope is, indeed, catholic.
The Millenium Dome.
.....and so on, and so forth.....
The govt's OWN inquiry found £22 BILLION of WASTE in govt spending. That is almost as much as the entire Defence Vote.
How about that for starters??
Part of the economic problems of the last 25 years has been that we have never paid our way as a society, we simply do not pay enough tax to pay for what as a rich country we should be investing.
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Ah, government waste - a subject dear to my heart. I'm old enough to remember the long gone days when OHMS envelopes were reused via a sticky label, when government offices were painted brown/green and when public employees were civil and of service.
Now, civil service is a euphemism for 'rights before responsibility', nil customer focus and the 'I'm all right Jack' attitude, brilliantly portrayed by Peter Sellers as long ago as 1959.
Try the 'Yellow Pages' test. If it's listed in the Directory, then Government has no business being in that business.
And remove tenure for all public employees; where appropriate, replace with performance based fixed term renewable employment contracts.
The govt's OWN inquiry found £22 BILLION of WASTE in govt spending. That is almost as much as the entire Defence Vote.
Now, civil service is a euphemism for 'rights before responsibility', nil customer focus and the 'I'm all right Jack' attitude, brilliantly portrayed by Peter Sellers as long ago as 1959.
Try the 'Yellow Pages' test. If it's listed in the Directory, then Government has no business being in that business.
And remove tenure for all public employees; where appropriate, replace with performance based fixed term renewable employment contracts.
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Tony Blair for day eh.....
Launch inquest as to why a PC based computer system for the NHS cost £30Bn which will last only 10 years. This is like building 2 CVF a year....
Legislate so all private schools must take 10% of its intake made up of pupils from failing schools in order to break the poverty chain.
Make full unemployment benefit payable for only a limited period, then reducing with time.
Require tangible medical evidence for claims of disability living allowance.
Introduce a higher rate of income tax of 50% for all earners of £150,000pa and 60% for incomes of 250%. Reduce current higher rate to 30%.
Combine all special interest commision into one board,
i.e Racial, Diasability, et al.
Harrasment and inequality is much the same regardless of the cause. That should save some money.
Bring MPs pensions into line with civil servants, making them suffer with an increase in working age and a move from final salary to representative. (Same as armed forces).
Introduce child care in all primary schools and remove all child benefits and child tax credits.
Reduce MPs motor milage allowance from 65p pm to 25p pm, same as MOD.
Council tax to be paid at a rate per adult in the dwelling.
Immigration to be via a targeted quota system bringing in professionals/workers in shortage categories. Full citizenship not given for 5 years (including any state benefits). Settlements funds of circa £2000 pp to be held to pay for return airfare in result of return to original country. 80% tax on any cash sent back to host country for lifetime.
Asylum seekers returned to first EU country they arrived in (admitted to arriving in) iaw EU directive.
Any person found guilty of driving without tax/insurance/MOT or driving offence such as DUI banned for 5 years. This will also help reduce road congestion.
Increase car ownership age to 21 and basic driving tests every 5 years once over 65 until 80 and yearly thereafter.
Large tax increase on third car per household of 2 adults.
Fire Brigade to be made up of UK forces personnel on true second line employment. Also enable personnel to be employed near home town. Cheaper than current system and no chance of strikes.
Life imprisonment for any politician deemed guilty of fraud/corruption/misleading parliament.
Maximum amount of lawyers per party standing as MPs. In order to get a more realistic spectrum of backgrounds into government.
Just a few initial thoughts, no doubt be castigated by the Blairites.
Launch inquest as to why a PC based computer system for the NHS cost £30Bn which will last only 10 years. This is like building 2 CVF a year....
Legislate so all private schools must take 10% of its intake made up of pupils from failing schools in order to break the poverty chain.
Make full unemployment benefit payable for only a limited period, then reducing with time.
Require tangible medical evidence for claims of disability living allowance.
Introduce a higher rate of income tax of 50% for all earners of £150,000pa and 60% for incomes of 250%. Reduce current higher rate to 30%.
Combine all special interest commision into one board,
i.e Racial, Diasability, et al.
Harrasment and inequality is much the same regardless of the cause. That should save some money.
Bring MPs pensions into line with civil servants, making them suffer with an increase in working age and a move from final salary to representative. (Same as armed forces).
Introduce child care in all primary schools and remove all child benefits and child tax credits.
Reduce MPs motor milage allowance from 65p pm to 25p pm, same as MOD.
Council tax to be paid at a rate per adult in the dwelling.
Immigration to be via a targeted quota system bringing in professionals/workers in shortage categories. Full citizenship not given for 5 years (including any state benefits). Settlements funds of circa £2000 pp to be held to pay for return airfare in result of return to original country. 80% tax on any cash sent back to host country for lifetime.
Asylum seekers returned to first EU country they arrived in (admitted to arriving in) iaw EU directive.
Any person found guilty of driving without tax/insurance/MOT or driving offence such as DUI banned for 5 years. This will also help reduce road congestion.
Increase car ownership age to 21 and basic driving tests every 5 years once over 65 until 80 and yearly thereafter.
Large tax increase on third car per household of 2 adults.
Fire Brigade to be made up of UK forces personnel on true second line employment. Also enable personnel to be employed near home town. Cheaper than current system and no chance of strikes.
Life imprisonment for any politician deemed guilty of fraud/corruption/misleading parliament.
Maximum amount of lawyers per party standing as MPs. In order to get a more realistic spectrum of backgrounds into government.
Just a few initial thoughts, no doubt be castigated by the Blairites.
Can we add to that list:
Physical castration for rapists.
Death penalty for murder and child molestation.
Any drug dealer to be boiled alive in their own excreta.
And as for apostrophe abusers.....
Physical castration for rapists.
Death penalty for murder and child molestation.
Any drug dealer to be boiled alive in their own excreta.
And as for apostrophe abusers.....
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Lee Jung,
You, my dear chap, are the new PM as far as I'm concerned! Get yourself a political party and most 'normal' Brits will vote for you..
Interesting reading this thread over the past few weeks. Sounds very similar to the useless slanging matches in the House of Commons that happen everyday amongst the so-called representatives of the UK populace.
Any reply to that from you leftie fags?
Politics are best left to those who have failed at other things, eh Tone?
You, my dear chap, are the new PM as far as I'm concerned! Get yourself a political party and most 'normal' Brits will vote for you..
Interesting reading this thread over the past few weeks. Sounds very similar to the useless slanging matches in the House of Commons that happen everyday amongst the so-called representatives of the UK populace.
Any reply to that from you leftie fags?
Politics are best left to those who have failed at other things, eh Tone?
PrOOne
A bit selective on the taxation argument aren't we? Labour had 60% and 90% tax not the Tories!! The Tories reduced taxation, but Liabour have increased taxes consistently since they came to power and anyone who does not believe that they will rise again if this bunch of self-serving
are re-elected is living in cloud cuckoo land!! Even the accountants using the Treasury's own financial model are predicting a massive hole in public finances, which will require large increasesin taxation.
What do I want to see go? Well benefit fraud, support to illegals and asylum seekers, a better managed and efficient health service will do as starters.
As for:
That is utter bull. The UK population when I went to school was recognised as being 54 million (early 80s before you ask), it is now 60 270 000. That is hardly a declining population!!! And the more people leaving than entering is again untrue. The Government's own figures for last year were 300 000 emigrating and 450 000 immigrating (give or take a few). That is more arriving than leaving.
And just why do we need so many immigrants? There are still over a million on the unemployment register, and probably double or treble that figure if "incapacity" benefit is taken into account. Don't tell me that all of those people are genuinely unemployable.
This country is already one of the most over populated in Europe. We cannot accomodate everyone. How about we look at 2 countries with approximately equal spending power, the UK and France.
Both have an equivalent spending power of $1.666 Trillion and $1.661 Trillion respectively, both have similar population sizes 60 270 000 and 60 424 000 respectively. But France has a land mass over twice the size of the UK, 241 590 sq km and 545 630 sq km respectively. So now why do we need to add to the population?
Hyd3 fail. Dream on about the carriers. If this lot are returned to power I predict that they will be taken as savings measures. They almost went last year in the MOD savings rounds!!
A bit selective on the taxation argument aren't we? Labour had 60% and 90% tax not the Tories!! The Tories reduced taxation, but Liabour have increased taxes consistently since they came to power and anyone who does not believe that they will rise again if this bunch of self-serving
are re-elected is living in cloud cuckoo land!! Even the accountants using the Treasury's own financial model are predicting a massive hole in public finances, which will require large increasesin taxation. What do I want to see go? Well benefit fraud, support to illegals and asylum seekers, a better managed and efficient health service will do as starters.
As for:
Put your Daily Mail down for a second and look at the real world, we have a declining population, more people leave the UK every year than enter it, we NEED these immigrants very badly.
And just why do we need so many immigrants? There are still over a million on the unemployment register, and probably double or treble that figure if "incapacity" benefit is taken into account. Don't tell me that all of those people are genuinely unemployable.
This country is already one of the most over populated in Europe. We cannot accomodate everyone. How about we look at 2 countries with approximately equal spending power, the UK and France.
Both have an equivalent spending power of $1.666 Trillion and $1.661 Trillion respectively, both have similar population sizes 60 270 000 and 60 424 000 respectively. But France has a land mass over twice the size of the UK, 241 590 sq km and 545 630 sq km respectively. So now why do we need to add to the population?
Hyd3 fail. Dream on about the carriers. If this lot are returned to power I predict that they will be taken as savings measures. They almost went last year in the MOD savings rounds!!
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Tony B(liar) for the day.....hmmm.
I would lock myself in a dark room along with 'Holiday Hoon' and ask ourselves why we allowed 700 hours of parliamentary debating time to be wasted on fox hunting and exactly the same number of hours debating going to war with Iraq.
Guess a fox's life is worth more than our Servicemen and womens.
Still Geoff got his holiday in before the big push, which was my main worry.
Must remember that for next time (cheesy colgate toothpaste grin to finish on).
I would lock myself in a dark room along with 'Holiday Hoon' and ask ourselves why we allowed 700 hours of parliamentary debating time to be wasted on fox hunting and exactly the same number of hours debating going to war with Iraq.
Guess a fox's life is worth more than our Servicemen and womens.
Still Geoff got his holiday in before the big push, which was my main worry.
Must remember that for next time (cheesy colgate toothpaste grin to finish on).
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I wouldn't change anything. I think him, his wife and the labour party has had so much one sided biased press.
I think he's great.
Aerosmithy
P.s. I also think hes good looking!
I think he's great.
Aerosmithy
P.s. I also think hes good looking!
Lee Jung,
Zlin526 has asked if there are any replies to your post from the “leftie fags” now I don’t quite know what he means by a fag, unless he’s some sort of homophobe who thinks that is a sort of insult, but, here goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Launch inquest as to why a PC based computer system for the NHS cost £30Bn which will last only 10 years. This is like building 2 CVF a year....
BLOODY GOOD IDEA NOT JUST NHS EITHER.NOT JUST A LABOUR ISSUE THOUGH
Legislate so all private schools must take 10% of its intake made up of pupils from failing schools in order to break the poverty chain.
EXCELLENT IDEA!
Make full unemployment benefit payable for only a limited period, then reducing with time.
ER, IT ALREADY IS!
Require tangible medical evidence for claims of disability living allowance.
ER, IT ALREADY IS!
Introduce a higher rate of income tax of 50% for all earners of £150,000pa and 60% for incomes of 250%. Reduce current higher rate to 30%.
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
Combine all special interest commission into one board, i.e. Racial, Disability,etc.
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
Harassment and inequality is much the same regardless of the cause. That should save some money.
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
Bring MPs pensions into line with civil servants, making them suffer with an increase in working age and a move from final salary to representative. (Same as armed forces).
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
Introduce child care in all primary schools and remove all child benefits and child tax credits.
INTERESTING, WONDER IF THAT WOULD BE COST NEGATIVE?
Reduce MPs motor mileage allowance from 65p pm to 25p pm, same as MOD.
THEY ONLY GET 65P? SHAME…………………….
Council tax to be paid at a rate per adult in the dwelling.
UNFAIR ON LARGER FAMILIES WHO TEND TO BE POORER
Immigration to be via a targeted quota system bringing in professionals/workers in shortage categories. Full citizenship not given for 5 years (including any state benefits). Settlements funds of circa £2000 pp to be held to pay for return airfare in result of return to original country. 80% tax on any cash sent back to host country for lifetime.
FOR ECONOMIC MIGRANTS A GOOD IDEA, 5 YRS A GOOD IDEA, £2000 A BARMY IDEA!
Asylum seekers returned to first EU country they arrived in (admitted to arriving in) iaw EU directive.
NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD HELP?
Any person found guilty of driving without tax/insurance/MOT or driving offence such as DUI banned for 5 years. This will also help reduce road congestion.
BLODY GOOD IDEA
Increase car ownership age to 21 and basic driving tests every 5 years once over 65 until 80 and yearly thereafter.
TEE HEE, NO CHANCE!
Large tax increase on third car per household of 2 adults.
BLOODY GOOD IDEA, I’D DO THE SAME ON 2ND HOMES.
Fire Brigade to be made up of UK forces personnel on true second line employment. Also enable personnel to be employed near home town. Cheaper than current system and no chance of strikes.
NOW I KNOW YOU’RE A NUTTER!
Life imprisonment for any politician found guilty of fraud/misleading parliament.
TEE HEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maximum amount of lawyers per party standing as MPs. In order to get a more realistic spectrum of backgrounds into government.
NO IDEA WHAT YOU MEAN BY THIS?
Zlin526 has asked if there are any replies to your post from the “leftie fags” now I don’t quite know what he means by a fag, unless he’s some sort of homophobe who thinks that is a sort of insult, but, here goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Launch inquest as to why a PC based computer system for the NHS cost £30Bn which will last only 10 years. This is like building 2 CVF a year....
BLOODY GOOD IDEA NOT JUST NHS EITHER.NOT JUST A LABOUR ISSUE THOUGH
Legislate so all private schools must take 10% of its intake made up of pupils from failing schools in order to break the poverty chain.
EXCELLENT IDEA!
Make full unemployment benefit payable for only a limited period, then reducing with time.
ER, IT ALREADY IS!
Require tangible medical evidence for claims of disability living allowance.
ER, IT ALREADY IS!
Introduce a higher rate of income tax of 50% for all earners of £150,000pa and 60% for incomes of 250%. Reduce current higher rate to 30%.
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
Combine all special interest commission into one board, i.e. Racial, Disability,etc.
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
Harassment and inequality is much the same regardless of the cause. That should save some money.
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
Bring MPs pensions into line with civil servants, making them suffer with an increase in working age and a move from final salary to representative. (Same as armed forces).
BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
Introduce child care in all primary schools and remove all child benefits and child tax credits.
INTERESTING, WONDER IF THAT WOULD BE COST NEGATIVE?
Reduce MPs motor mileage allowance from 65p pm to 25p pm, same as MOD.
THEY ONLY GET 65P? SHAME…………………….
Council tax to be paid at a rate per adult in the dwelling.
UNFAIR ON LARGER FAMILIES WHO TEND TO BE POORER
Immigration to be via a targeted quota system bringing in professionals/workers in shortage categories. Full citizenship not given for 5 years (including any state benefits). Settlements funds of circa £2000 pp to be held to pay for return airfare in result of return to original country. 80% tax on any cash sent back to host country for lifetime.
FOR ECONOMIC MIGRANTS A GOOD IDEA, 5 YRS A GOOD IDEA, £2000 A BARMY IDEA!
Asylum seekers returned to first EU country they arrived in (admitted to arriving in) iaw EU directive.
NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD HELP?
Any person found guilty of driving without tax/insurance/MOT or driving offence such as DUI banned for 5 years. This will also help reduce road congestion.
BLODY GOOD IDEA
Increase car ownership age to 21 and basic driving tests every 5 years once over 65 until 80 and yearly thereafter.
TEE HEE, NO CHANCE!
Large tax increase on third car per household of 2 adults.
BLOODY GOOD IDEA, I’D DO THE SAME ON 2ND HOMES.
Fire Brigade to be made up of UK forces personnel on true second line employment. Also enable personnel to be employed near home town. Cheaper than current system and no chance of strikes.
NOW I KNOW YOU’RE A NUTTER!
Life imprisonment for any politician found guilty of fraud/misleading parliament.
TEE HEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maximum amount of lawyers per party standing as MPs. In order to get a more realistic spectrum of backgrounds into government.
NO IDEA WHAT YOU MEAN BY THIS?