You are Tony B Liar.
Gorilla,
“Almost every one knows that we have one of the most corrupt Governments in British democratic history”
Remind me again just how many senior and ex- Cabinet figures have been sent to prison in this present Government? Oh, that’s right, NONE!
Now ask yourself the same thing about the last lot and you get a VERY different answer.
Send Clowns,
The current Tory promise on defence is to increase spending at the same time as cutting taxes, increasing spending on education and health and NOT cutting public services. They also will cut massively the amount of “waste and inefficiency” in the defence budget, this is where their so called increase in spending comes from!
As to your assertion that previous Tory cuts were “just about in line with commitments” GET REAL MAN! They were at the height of the Cold war and involved reducing air defence capability, massive cuts to amphibious and maritime air capability, huge reductions in the RN surface fleet and general reductions in war reserves. If the Argentines had waited about 8 months to invade the Falklands then thanks to the Tory cuts from Thatcher and Nott there would have been no way on earth to get them back!
I won’t even go into the total mess they made of the defence medical services and the cynical raid on the MOD married quarter estate to raise capital.
Soddim,
You make a powerful constitutional point that I would not argue with for a second, I would hate to see him on the opposite side of the house but I would LOVE to see him there full stop!
“Almost every one knows that we have one of the most corrupt Governments in British democratic history”
Remind me again just how many senior and ex- Cabinet figures have been sent to prison in this present Government? Oh, that’s right, NONE!
Now ask yourself the same thing about the last lot and you get a VERY different answer.
Send Clowns,
The current Tory promise on defence is to increase spending at the same time as cutting taxes, increasing spending on education and health and NOT cutting public services. They also will cut massively the amount of “waste and inefficiency” in the defence budget, this is where their so called increase in spending comes from!
As to your assertion that previous Tory cuts were “just about in line with commitments” GET REAL MAN! They were at the height of the Cold war and involved reducing air defence capability, massive cuts to amphibious and maritime air capability, huge reductions in the RN surface fleet and general reductions in war reserves. If the Argentines had waited about 8 months to invade the Falklands then thanks to the Tory cuts from Thatcher and Nott there would have been no way on earth to get them back!
I won’t even go into the total mess they made of the defence medical services and the cynical raid on the MOD married quarter estate to raise capital.
Soddim,
You make a powerful constitutional point that I would not argue with for a second, I would hate to see him on the opposite side of the house but I would LOVE to see him there full stop!
Pr00ne I think Send Clowns was refering to the '90s post Cold War cuts. Nobody with a brain would defend the cuts imposed by John Nott, particularly when in many respects the present Government is repeating the same mistakes.
Remind me again just how many senior and ex- Cabinet figures have been sent to prison in this present Government?
Funny you say that, Mandelson was guilty of mortgage fraud - an offence which lesser mortals get sent down for.
PS Did you get asked before Blair signed the European constitution?
Remind me again just how many senior and ex- Cabinet figures have been sent to prison in this present Government?
Funny you say that, Mandelson was guilty of mortgage fraud - an offence which lesser mortals get sent down for.
PS Did you get asked before Blair signed the European constitution?
WEBF,
It was NOT mortgage fraud, and a lesser mortal would not only have NOT gone down for it but also would NOT have lost their job for it!
Have you READ the EU constitution?
It was NOT mortgage fraud, and a lesser mortal would not only have NOT gone down for it but also would NOT have lost their job for it!
Have you READ the EU constitution?
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Mandelson's an odious, self serving creep who's been canned twice now and like every other political slimeball he's only interested in keeping his nose in the trough. There's no honour in the man or his sanctimonious party.
Pilgrim101,
Sorry, didn't realise you knew him!
Sorry, didn't realise you knew him!
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Unfortunately yes ! Him and several of his sycophantic entourage - purely professional of course !
His appointment to NI SEc was a classic miscasting. Imagine the Catholic Republicans and the Strait Laced Unionist Prods watching him mincing about trying to act the hard man
And his behaviour caused his position to be untenable (twice) Even too much for TB to stomach
Unfortunately yes ! Him and several of his sycophantic entourage - purely professional of course !
His appointment to NI SEc was a classic miscasting. Imagine the Catholic Republicans and the Strait Laced Unionist Prods watching him mincing about trying to act the hard man
And his behaviour caused his position to be untenable (twice) Even too much for TB to stomach
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Ahh, Mr Mandelscum!
The same man that referred to the Brigade of Guards as "chinless wonders"!
As well as the Hinduja passport scandal and the dishonest mortgage application, which may not have earned a "mortal" jail time but would have certainly ended in a criminal record. Talking of criminal records, Mandlelscum (it is said) narrowly avoided one in the 80s for a certain misjudgement of age.........
He is a despicable character and it is merely a matter of time before he is fingered again.....
The same man that referred to the Brigade of Guards as "chinless wonders"!
As well as the Hinduja passport scandal and the dishonest mortgage application, which may not have earned a "mortal" jail time but would have certainly ended in a criminal record. Talking of criminal records, Mandlelscum (it is said) narrowly avoided one in the 80s for a certain misjudgement of age.........
He is a despicable character and it is merely a matter of time before he is fingered again.....
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Pr00ne said
well said fella. Lets never let the Conservative party ruin this country again. The Labour party have just about got this country back on its feet again after years of sleeze and misgovernment.
VOTE LABOUR
As to your assertion that previous Tory cuts were “just about in line with commitments” GET REAL MAN! They were at the height of the Cold war and involved reducing air defence capability, massive cuts to amphibious and maritime air capability, huge reductions in the RN surface fleet and general reductions in war reserves. If the Argentines had waited about 8 months to invade the Falklands then thanks to the Tory cuts from Thatcher and Nott there would have been no way on earth to get them back!
VOTE LABOUR
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The Labour party have just about got this country back on its feet again after years of sleeze and misgovernment.
So there's no similarity between the cuts under Nott ("no unforseen events will occur, because we can't forsee them") and the premature retirement of the Sea Jet and other post SDR reductions (made at the same time the operational tempo shows few signs of slowing)? "No unforseen events will occur, because we can't forsee them"
Really?
Really?
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Crossbow,
YOU NEED ASSESSMENT!!!!!!!!
I think your only here to have a laugh at us all, and wind us up - oh you naughty little boy!
Gents, stop fuelling this nutters ego!! He's having a laugh at us all. His real name is.......Alistair Campbell!!! that other tw*t from the labour party!!
Kind regards
TSM
'Caruthers, send Mr campbell a large bottle of my finest pi$$'
YOU NEED ASSESSMENT!!!!!!!!
I think your only here to have a laugh at us all, and wind us up - oh you naughty little boy!
Gents, stop fuelling this nutters ego!! He's having a laugh at us all. His real name is.......Alistair Campbell!!! that other tw*t from the labour party!!
Kind regards
TSM
'Caruthers, send Mr campbell a large bottle of my finest pi$$'
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"PS Did you get asked before Blair signed the European constitution?"
Yes - like you (if you were old enough to vote) - it was called a general election in 2001 - read the manifesto
"PS Did you get asked before Blair signed the European constitution?"
Yes - like you (if you were old enough to vote) - it was called a general election in 2001 - read the manifesto
Anyone who graduated from Uni in 1976 (even from a second rate red brick establishment like Liverpool) ought to be able to spell 'atend' and 'catologue' better than Crossbow can.
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Hyd3failiure
I'd lay off of the Scrumpy if I was you. You are starting to believe your own Bullsh1t. The same Bullsh1t that the rest of the country and electorate know is Bullsh1t.
I'd lay off of the Scrumpy if I was you. You are starting to believe your own Bullsh1t. The same Bullsh1t that the rest of the country and electorate know is Bullsh1t.