You are Tony B Liar.
Ta Roland ,nice to be missed. Always have been a dedicated follower of fashion! Can't beat a bit of pointless virtual bickering & name calling over luncheon!
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There! You see it is possible to spell someones name correctly with a little thought and concentration. Anyway back to the battle. Please allow me to clarify the statements of my earlier post.
Re "From Manchester"- I am indeed Northern English born and bred and fiercely proud of it, mate.
Re "The army of professionals" to which I was referring are the Doctors, Scientists, Lawyers, Teachers, Engineers and Nurses leaving to start new lives in new countries. Their Degrees and other Qualifications were paid for directly or indirectly by the State so that they may benefit the Nation as a whole. Indeed I am a professional, however, I received no state funding for my professional qualifications as there are no state sponsored colleges for Airline Pilots in this country, Maritime Colleges-yes, but not for Aircrew. I finished paying off my £50K+ 'Student Loan' 5 years ago.
Re "The numbers of people leaving the UK..." the increase in people leaving the UK for outside the EU has increased year on year since 1999. Those are HMG's figures, not mine and I dispute your claim of the majority being 'Blue collars moving to the sun'. The countries they are moving to have the 'Points' system of entry, you know, like the one the Tories are proposing.
Re "We are a laughing stock in the eyes of the Aussies, Kiwis, Boks...et al" To quote a colleague of mine from the southern hemisphere...
"...Man, the UK is a good country screwed, hell even Mugabe could take lessons from Blair when it comes to screwing a country over..." He is from Zimbabwe, born there to an English father and a Dutch mother with Grandparents still living in Scotland, his Grandfather serving in WW2. Most of the ex-pats here from SA or ZIM know they will never return to their homelands and their wishlist for 'new' home countries in preferential order is Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Europe, the US then the UK. these are citizens of COMMONWEALTH countries for christ sake. HMG won't grant my friend a Passport, but the Dutch will! Yet Iqbal from Afghanistan, Drako from Albania, Ivan from Latvia or Spiro from Greece are all welcomed with open arms!! And you can defend this???
Re "You live in a regime..." Yes I do but in order to reside here I had to have numerous medical screening checks for HIV, Heps A,B & C, and Tubercolousis, Criminal Conviction/Charge checks and a whole host of background digging in order to be accepted for a Residency Visa. If my wife wants to have a child here, she will receive no State medical help and once I retire, my residency visa is cancelled and I have to return to the UK or EU. These are standard criteria for the majority of countries. These criteria are wholly unacceptable to the "Human Rights-ists", the bleeding heart and lilly livered Liberals and the Government who've buggered up this country. And you call the UK "Open and Accountable?" I suggest you look up the OED's definition of 'Accountable'
Now is there anything else you would like to discuss?
Woptb
I wouldn't wipe my a**e on the Mail even if we could get it out here. My news sources are BBC World, SkyNews and CNN International plus the local English speaking news channels oh, and either the Torygraph, Times, Indie, Private Eye and Spectator on my monthly visits to the UK. So GFY and as an example of the 'Looney Left' Old Red Ken has the non UK Nationals in stitches over here. They think he is a comedian.
Vote Conservative- you know it makes sense!
There! You see it is possible to spell someones name correctly with a little thought and concentration. Anyway back to the battle. Please allow me to clarify the statements of my earlier post.
Re "From Manchester"- I am indeed Northern English born and bred and fiercely proud of it, mate.
Re "The army of professionals" to which I was referring are the Doctors, Scientists, Lawyers, Teachers, Engineers and Nurses leaving to start new lives in new countries. Their Degrees and other Qualifications were paid for directly or indirectly by the State so that they may benefit the Nation as a whole. Indeed I am a professional, however, I received no state funding for my professional qualifications as there are no state sponsored colleges for Airline Pilots in this country, Maritime Colleges-yes, but not for Aircrew. I finished paying off my £50K+ 'Student Loan' 5 years ago.
Re "The numbers of people leaving the UK..." the increase in people leaving the UK for outside the EU has increased year on year since 1999. Those are HMG's figures, not mine and I dispute your claim of the majority being 'Blue collars moving to the sun'. The countries they are moving to have the 'Points' system of entry, you know, like the one the Tories are proposing.
Re "We are a laughing stock in the eyes of the Aussies, Kiwis, Boks...et al" To quote a colleague of mine from the southern hemisphere...
"...Man, the UK is a good country screwed, hell even Mugabe could take lessons from Blair when it comes to screwing a country over..." He is from Zimbabwe, born there to an English father and a Dutch mother with Grandparents still living in Scotland, his Grandfather serving in WW2. Most of the ex-pats here from SA or ZIM know they will never return to their homelands and their wishlist for 'new' home countries in preferential order is Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Europe, the US then the UK. these are citizens of COMMONWEALTH countries for christ sake. HMG won't grant my friend a Passport, but the Dutch will! Yet Iqbal from Afghanistan, Drako from Albania, Ivan from Latvia or Spiro from Greece are all welcomed with open arms!! And you can defend this???
Re "You live in a regime..." Yes I do but in order to reside here I had to have numerous medical screening checks for HIV, Heps A,B & C, and Tubercolousis, Criminal Conviction/Charge checks and a whole host of background digging in order to be accepted for a Residency Visa. If my wife wants to have a child here, she will receive no State medical help and once I retire, my residency visa is cancelled and I have to return to the UK or EU. These are standard criteria for the majority of countries. These criteria are wholly unacceptable to the "Human Rights-ists", the bleeding heart and lilly livered Liberals and the Government who've buggered up this country. And you call the UK "Open and Accountable?" I suggest you look up the OED's definition of 'Accountable'
Now is there anything else you would like to discuss?
Woptb
I wouldn't wipe my a**e on the Mail even if we could get it out here. My news sources are BBC World, SkyNews and CNN International plus the local English speaking news channels oh, and either the Torygraph, Times, Indie, Private Eye and Spectator on my monthly visits to the UK. So GFY and as an example of the 'Looney Left' Old Red Ken has the non UK Nationals in stitches over here. They think he is a comedian.
Vote Conservative- you know it makes sense!
