Eeeee... Could you please elaborate on good 330 layovers :rolleyes:
(Apart of few high season GVAs and MUCs in IP and training lines)

Istanbul:}

hey ppruners,

is SAUDIA still recruiting on wide body?

Certainly is not recruiting FO's , I think only 320 captains

Nesma Airlines
 

Is Nesma still recruiting pilots and which routes are they operating?

Are they keeping the Embraer or recruiting onto it?

Saudia as of yesterday starts again hiring FO's for 777,330 and 747 !!!! Rated and non type rated

What are the details?

Hello everyone,

How do we reaply, there is no link on the career page. I updated my infos but than I dont know where I can send another application gor FO 777.
Any one can help please

I checked with two different people in pilot recruitment (one highly placed) and was told that they are not recruiting widebody FOs at this time.

Hello,
Log in to your account update your details. Then go to available position in there you can find the link to reapply for the same position. Hope it helps.

Hi Hakeem,

Thanks a lot I will do that!

cheers

Cheers buddy.

Hi to all captains, i just wonder if anyone can provide a bit info about the condition at the company. I know this is a great company; but as an asian with the a320 hours just met their requirement, I would like to know if any chance I could survive in the company? I really want to move onto something bigger, company or fleet..thx

Forget about something bigger in terms of airplane.320 is the only option the company will offer you. It means endless domestic flights with 3-4 day trips with 14-20 hours lay over in RUH DMM MED. some international round trips around the Kingdom and rarely some European Lay overs ( FCO MXP MUC GVA FRA). Do I have to mention that all of them are very popular with local guys ( and roster is based on Seniority,so you get the idea) plus the fact that FRA is mainly assigned to Instructor Pilots as along with LHR are considered the most challenging airports of the network ����������. Training is very demanding even for a type rated pilot. If eventually you make it to the line then you will fly to the limits. Salary is second to none in the business. Most probably new joiners are based in RUH and that's not bad at all because the situation about the housing in Jeddah is not good at all

Alloha.
Thanks for the info. Can you answer a question? From the careers page, it appears that substitution of hours, ie. A320 time in order to move into a higher category in the wide body group is no longer permitted. Only hours substitution from a higher category to a lower category , ie. D to B is allowed. Is this a recent change?
Thanks

Hello all,
Was seriously considering SV as a career for me and some of my mates.
Very reliably learnt that the attrition / failure rate only during training is now slightly below 50%...!
This is both for typed and non typed pilots and includes FO's and Skippers of all fleets.
I've been seriously warned that once here in saudia NEVER unpack your bags completely. Cause you never know when it's time to go back.
Shocking as this might seem, it's horribly true.
Doesn't matter how good you are. How much experience you have. On type or not.
It simply the saudia way or the highway.
I don't mind that too much. But I believe the 'saudia' way is neither the Boeing way nor Airbus way...!! It's simply the 'SAUDIA' way.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not against change. But, to pass a rule directly contradicting all that you have learnt in the past AND then implementing it with an iron hand can sometimes spell disaster in training.
And then I believe the instructors each have their own unique 'signature' style !

And then there's the market factor. When they have an excess of FOs in the pipeline the FOs start to 'fail'. When their 744 skippers are due for a conversion to the 777 the new hire skippers start to magically underperform and fail !!

So that's that folks. I'm gonna think long and think hard. Very very very hard for this one.

Cheerio

thats interesting , i never thought that pprune could replace a therapist

heard some horror stories with regards to training at SV.most of them turn out to be spot on.two of my buddies opted out in the 3rd and fourth month of training. Skippers both

To be honest, if you're this unhappy before you're even here, just stay where you are or find another place...

CI54,
My humble and genuine question to you then is, 'are things different then'.
Begs a reply

Just do it the way they want. It's a part of the job description. And it,s not unsafe at all. Instructor just prepares you to the checkride and then you are on your own. It's not a big deal for a professional pilot who is aware that the are other ways to operate the same plane. BTW, the differences are not really significant. Basically standard A or B procedures.

If your buddies had the wrong attitude and behavior problems then it's not surprising that they got axed. If they failed to realize how the things work in SV again it's their fault. So simple as that

To which my reply is, it depends.. Some have stayed three days, some have stayed over 20 years. Not that those who have been here over 20 years are entirely happy. The option is yours...

Where/why the need for the big recruitment at Saudia? Is it still growth or attrition?
If attrition, why? I have read the entire thread and read the reference to failure rates exceeding 50%. Is that it or is there also significant attrition due contracts not being renewed along with retirements?

Do new hires receive full pay during training or is training pay reduced? Any updates on RUH base for new hires?

Igig,

During training you will receive basic salary, which will depend on aircraft category and position. Not sure if Riyadh base is forced on new hires.
Attrition rate during training is mostly due to people failing or leaving due to various reasons, housing (or lack of it) being number one..... Saudia on 99,99 %of cases renew the contract, I cannot remember any case where they do not renew the contract after the 3 years.

I can :):) at least 3....

Annnnnnd they advertise again....!!
For Skippers only this time.
I can bet my months salary they won't get more than ten percent of what they need. Simply to run their fleet on a routine basis.
The training needs a serious re-vamping and re-strategizing.

Whether it happens or not, is another story completely !!

Don't care about them
 

Man, I understand you and the agony you probably was feeling when you wrote all this. It was an outburst, and those guys did not get it.
Always look for your happiness, don't care to what people will think.
You took a brave and hard decision to leave. I hope you're happier now !
Good luck and happy landings.

Live abroad
 

Is it possible to live abroad of SA (i.e. Barhein) when flying for Saudia ?

There is a higher possibility of a 3 year old baby to fly a 777

Considering all your answers above, either you trying to be funny or you must be frustated.
Anyway, I get it. It is not allowed to live abroad.
Thanks !

Skullflyer- These commuting questions come up all of the time. Either through the thread or via PM. Everybody on here working for Saudia have made it very clear and very honestly that this is in no way a commuting contract. You do get a block of 5 days off per month but rarely does that extend beyond 5 days.

Sadly people come to Saudia having ignored all the information and EXPECTING to be able to commute. They spend their time complaining and making people who are very happy working for Saudia miserable.

The other point is that you get the type of aircraft which they give you. If that's going to be a hardship then don't come. In all likelihood over the next few years the vast majority of experienced widebody captains will be put on the A330.

Another point; it is still only about 50% who start that are still with the company after one year. I'm not sure of the percentages failing or just chosing to leave.

The last 3 Americans that i now who left had all failed. (GW isn't included in this :))

Of the other nationalities, you have to ask how many are on leave from their national airlines and can walk back into their old jobs.

Frustrated? Yes maybe,but not with SV . The company has kept all its promises. Salary on time, my 5 days off per month (sometimes 6) , a house in Saudia city.but Frustrated with people who have not realized what this company is all about ,yes maybe I am. And it's not difficult to get the point. All the people who work ,or have worked for SV, have posted here several times that the contract is not for commuters. And yes ,sometimes I try to be funny. I use humor as a self defense mechanism to the stupidity of some comments

Thanks, Polax !!! Well understood now.
Happy landings !

Aloha ! Peace ! ✌

Embraer Fleet
 

What is happening with the embraer fleet. It seems that they are keeping them for now.

Any news if recruiting will start before the year ends??

If you want a commuting contract, try Privatair, they are operating an A319 for Saudia under the brand Al-Bayraq.

They are offering 20/10, but that extra 4-5 days off will cost you half the salary of a normal A320 Captain.

Does anyone know if a new hire 777 Captain will be hired to Jeddah or is there the possibility of Riyadh ? Also can they change equipment type on arrival ? eg I am 777 current , can they put mr on 787 or 330 ?

Can the domicile change at any moment ? Reason is that I would like to bring the family . Anyone there with kids in international schools kind enough to pm me about what its really like for family .

Also would a family of 4 be based be given a villa in Saudi City , or where ? Whats the accomodation like in both Jeddah and Riyadh ?

Do you think that Saudisation will eventually mean all expats will be replaced as soon as they can ?

Appreciate any feedback . Pm if you prefer . Thanks very much.