777 and 117
 

Things are not going well on the 777 fleet. With the implementation of 117 from May the credit hours for the FO's are down by 15% and thats not all. No commander upgrades from the 777 FO this year. Only from 330 and 747. Right now there 330 FO's on the T7 with more than 50 in training. Soon enough less hours and less money are coming. Rumors for a drafted letter from local 777 captains and FO's ,asking for a meeting with the management . Captains mostly complaining for rest issues. No one made any case studying on the 117 before applying it to the roster.

The Far117 implementation with no study is causing a lot of problem specially out of Riyadh regarding taking fo from A330 for command that sad as they less senior than t777 but couple of months ago the T777 fo where making over 55000 riyal so what happened

Credit hours down because of short layovers ?

Actually it was studied a couple of years ago, hence the delay in implementing it.

Credit hours
 

Mutt credit hours have nothing to do with lay overs. Credit hours are the deadheading hours plus days on STBY that you dont fly plus 10% of your actual block hours. Of cource per diem out of lay over are going down since you have less pairings

Mutt I don't agree with you on the Far 117 if there was a study years ago it should have been done better any way you are wrong too with the layover credit read the GOM

Yikes, I'm having a bad day.... sorry I guess we have too many GOM's/OM's.

As for the 117 study, it was done under VP HA, so thats a few years ago.

Recruitment
 

Gud day fellow aviators,

Can some one please confirm if the recruitment for FO is put on hold or they still recruiting. I have applied like 4 months back and my status still says active. Nothing changed on status since then.

Can some please kind enough to help me get through this.

Thanks a ton

No FO recruitment till the end of the year.

Thanks flyboy for the heads up.

Happy landing.

Hello,

The airline gives a no objection certificate or experience certificate for the period of employment with them?
If any one has an idea please PM me regarding it

Welcome. That's because they have too many FOs now and most of us are still not done with our PhDs. About 10 aircrafts coming in this year though. Expect them to hire around the end of the year or next.

Some of the good destinations are going to 787 fleet. Any idea what are the new destinations they are looking at for 777s?

Anyone know if they are hiring 787 left seat direct entry ?

Arrrh... just a few more airframes than that Flyboy SG:
10 B773's; 10 A330R's and 4 A320neo's by end of year.
So you can see why they're not happy at the failure rates and no-shows by the ex-MAS et all.

Top or drinks: They did initially but doubtful now, as that fleet crew is static now plus internal upgrades to cover, i would guess.

Happy landings:ok:

The 773 is doubtful that are gonna be 10 by the end of the year. But it's 100% that 4 772 will be faced out in December or earlier plus another 2 until February.So the real gain will be 4 frames but keep in mind that further 772 will go for sunbathing somewhere inside OEJN.So there will be no real gain in B777 frames. Furthermore Expect a delay in the 320 NEOS as Airbus is facing huge delays with the engines of the aircraft

The hours of significant overtime were never going to continue at the level of a year or 2 ago. This was a period of rapid 777 fleet growth. The growth over the next 5 years will be the A330, before returning to the 777 again when/if the X is delivered.

Alloha, A320's are not NEO; they are CEO(Current Engine Option). No delay expected.

Kungfu Panda , in the last 10-12 months T777 FO's were flying around the average hours (78) . But now they are 15% less . The cancellation of the command upgrade is the main reason.With 40-50 people going for command the hours would still be around the average 78 (keep in mind that lots of people still in training).

@guiones Thanks for the clarification .Still they need lots of skippers on the 320 .They asked from some people to give away their holidays in May because they were short

Hi all - I have been looking back many pages on here ( maybe not enough ) and can't find any indication on 320 Captain remuneration. Anybody willing to share some info on Pay ?

You won't find it online as it is considered a sensitive subject to those that pay tax in their home countries.

Can anybody tell me staff travel benefits with SV. I mean to say ID tickets and family friends. Can,t find any info any where.
Thanks in advance

Some current information which may already be out there: All forthcoming recruitment of foreign contract Pilots will be directed only to the Airbus fleets.
I understand that this is because the Saudi's are bidding almost entirely when they're given the option to move from the Airbus fleets over to the 777 or the 787.


This leaves regional and shorthaul to new contract Pilots.

Does that include 330 or only 320?

For the foreseeable future there will be recruitment of foreign contractors to both the A330 and the A320.


I understand that, from this Month, no new contractor will be deployed to Boeing Fleets.

Interview written and aptitude tests
 

Hello,


1- Regarding the hiring interview process, is the written test based on the full ATP question bank? Do I need to take an E6B calculator with me or is it based on regulation and IFR with no calculations required?
2- I have seen a web site offering a preparation to the interview (for a price), including a math test prep. Should I consider it?


I would appreciate the help, thanks.

Busy - It's not that complicated. I would just go to the interview with a pen and a calculator. You probably won't even need those.


If you really want the job then I would say the prep is worth it. The guy selling you the prep has feedback from previous interviews so it can't hurt.

I am curious about your training "atmosphere" experience.


Can you share some gold nuggets here?


Have you found some solidarity between the trainees with everyone helping each others or was it pretty much each one for itself and everyone else left behind?


Since the training seems to last a long time, it is something I would consider

prep test link
 

Hi busy, I haven't found the prep test, could you please send me the link e site?
Thanks a lot.

Well you must be really busy cause if you go through the thread you will find the nuggets you are looking for. A short handful advise? Its more about acting than training. For further details go throygh the thread.

Saudia B777 FO
 

Hi everyone,
Any infos on the current B777 fo recruitment process? Seems to be cancelled!

Here it is, I have not purchased it so I don't know about accuracy or quality of content.


Saudi Arabian Airlines Pilot Interview and Assessment-Latest Pilot Jobs-Latest Pilot Jobs

Thank you Alloha,
Well, yes... I've been busy perusing the last two years of this thread and although I could read that attitude is key (always is, isn't it?), I couldn't find much about solidarity between new hires.
I will assume there is a good one and if not, act like there is a good one anyway :ok:

LPJ is of no use. Anyone with decent knowledge and good aptitude should crack it with no preparation.

True. No more hiring on the 777 . Only for 320

It would be nice to see that stopped and internal upgrades to begin again, otherwise there are going to be a number of extremely unhappy 58 year old expat FO's.

My understanding is that they are not hiring FOs at all right now for any aircraft (they never did hire expat FOs for the A320). Can someone confirm this?

final exit
 

Hello guys,

I am leaving ksa.needed some info regarding the final exit. When you exit the country does the immigration puts a final exit stamp on the passport, signifying that you left the country on final exit

It is a very good question since tons of pilots are looking to leave