So I posted to try and start a new thread and got that it has to be reviewed by the administrator. Still waiting on that. Had a few general questions but I will just ask this for now. Is this link still current or has any info on it changed?

https://secure.sv.net/sv/forec/FDC.html

Any insight would be great. I will post the rest of my Questions later. Thanks

0FlyR

Expat FO aircraft?
 

Which aircraft are expat FO's being hired into?

Last I heard it was the 777 and A330.

Has the A320 been added to that list? (I thought that the A320 and E-170 were for Saudi cadet pilots).

Thanks.

@argentina21 last i saw they were hiring all types both seats, could have changed.

So far, from what I've heard, they are not hiring anymore on the 777. My group was one of the last.
I don't know if it only applies for Capt; Fo; or both.

1) they are still ill hiring for all types .But company will be more " picky " especially on the B777 as MAS is expected to be a major source with highly experienced and type rated crews. Also the introduction of the 787 will change things. Many locals are sceptical about it ,as the routes assigned to the 787 are not very attractive (Guangzou Manchester and Toronto according to rumours ). Senior pilots in the 747 have the option to choose between the B777 and the B787 and most of them go for the T7.

2) the link with salaries and conditions has some updates. ACM is provided from the first day of training .Also the annual increase in basic salary is now 5%

Where did that come from?

Wow, contract improvement via pprune.

Mmm yes and reliably informed that a generous Profit Share bonus has been signed off on last month too.
Exciting times, in the race for experienced crew :}

@alloha lmao,haha

5%??????
Bonus signed off last month?????
In wich airline?

He didnt say BONUS, he said annual increase, originally this was 5.6%, then reduced to 3%, now it appears to have increased to 5% again.

The ANNUAL BONUS is fixed at 4 weeks (Ramadan)

Ok copied that Mutt but I specifically heard "Profit Share" to be distributed at the end of Financial Year, not the Ramadan bonus. You may be able to shed some light?
:ok:

A320
 

@ Mothergoose once you meet the Minimums you'll be hired as FO. Strap on for 6 months as they are launching 500hr P1 upgrade process. You'll get lucky I'm telling you. The trainers and line captains are very sweet. Don't worry.

Quite a mix of nationalities in the left seat of the A320, but all i can are Saudi FO's, did they hire any foreigner FO's for the 320?

I have also heard of the "profit share". All staff will receive a share of 10% of the company's profit.

Still not sure about the 5% increment though, I've heard absolutely nothing about that.

@mutt. They start advertising A320 F/O positions 2 months ago. So even if they have hired someone i don't think they will be reqdy for training. (2-3 weeks the green light for the medical exams plus Visas plus the ramadan). I guess best bet is the September classes

Do we require a current class1 medical and IR current before joining saudi on the 777?

Why wouldn't you have a class 1? If for some reason you can't hold one, they its highly unlikely that you will pass the astronaut medical requirements with Dr S (Who i believe is still here, or is he :)?)

Obviously i have a class one medical, i asked if we require a current class one medical as mine is expiring in October and same goes for my IR. My joining date is in November. So once again i ask do we require a current IR and a current class one medical before joining?

A quick question.

I'm about to join Saudia ( pre-contract says August 2nd ).

However, I am struggling with the visa process. They basically changed the process, and it's a real mess.
The consulat is requiring more and more authentifications. I am from Europe, but do have a FAA license. ( I have letters from the FAA but it is not enough for them ). They want an authentication from the " Saudi Arabia Cultural bureau ", in the States.
Are you aware of the process ? Any tips to make a quick license authentication ?

Upgrades at Saudia
 

Do Saudia upgrade FOs onto the A320s?

How long does one have to be employed there before you can start the process?

Thanks

Yes, they upgrade from widebody aircraft down to A320, but not right seat left seat on the 320.


I would guess 10 years!! They can upgrade around 100 per year and your seniority number would be around 1000 (FO's).

As there is no such thing in FAA/GACA land, I would say that the answer is no.

As the medical is required for the license to be valid, I would say that the answer is Yes.

OK we have had our rumors about fleet increases, salary increases, and bonuses..... so whats next....

Who want's to guess at the new routes for 2016?

But don't we have to do a initial class one medical once we land in Saudi, before we start the training? I mean the saudi medical or whichever local medical is done

Since they stopped people doing the GACA written's for their license, that means that you are now getting a validation again, like the old days, so you need a valid licence. Is your licence valid without the medical?

What are you going to do if you show up without a medical and they require one?

Medical
 

Captainpluto. The med examas u had during your assessment are identical with the Saudi medical.so if u pass the assessment there is no reason to worry for your Saudi Medical. They dont ask for currency of 12 or 18 months an IR is not mandatory

@flyboy_sg ,thanks man,il get those hours coming ,on the A320 cbt nowadays :O

@Captpluto, you'll do two more Medicals in Saudia.

Has anybody been hired recently as DEC on the 320? Can you shed a little on the process after getting hired to arriving for training, and also the training process if gotten that far.

Mutt,

Are you saying the conversion to GACA license is not available anymore?
From now on everybody will validate there own license from back home to fly in GACA land?

Thank You for the reply Mutt. I'm totally new in the PPrune. Btw do you have any advice for me being a newly FAA CPL pilot insya allah by end of this year. You can also reply me at [email protected]

Jazakallah Khair

Anyone recent hires care to answer this? The did have new hires spending their first weeks studying for the GACA ATP, but this stopped about two months ago.

So I'm assuming that they have gone back to validations.

Mutt , your assumption is correct. The last group with a GACA ATPL or CPL exam were the guys that started on March. Furthermore FO's with ATPL in their possession now receive GACA ATPL instead of CPL.

PS FO's without ATPL in their possession have to take the GACA CPL written exam

Interesting how this have changed so quickly in the Kingdom.

As far as I understand the B744 are leaving, what is going to happen with the B748? Especially as the B777F are now coming?
And the embraer??? Are they leaving too???

@alloha do direct hire a320 f/o with icao cpl license only have to give full of cpl or just the law paper to convert to gaca cpl?

Mothergoose i can only make an assumption and say that all you have to do is to give just the GACA exam which is based 100% on the FAA cpl i can't imagine anything else

Hi there
I'd like to know with 2500 hours on narrow and widebody jet but without ATP Saudi could hire me?
Around 1800 hours on the 737 NG and 500+/- hours on the 767

Whats the best type to get hired on now at Saudia? is it better to wait and see when the new types come and go for those if eligible? or get in now DEC? Im guessing once your in its impossible to move types for at least 8-12 years, unless your type is phased out...

omis- Your assumptions are correct regarding changing fleet once in.

You will have no real choice but to accept the fleet which you're offered. Shorthaul there is only the A320 though, if that's what you experience reflects. Longhaul it'll either be 777, 787 or A330. For making money the 777 is the best for the time being. In the distant future it could become the 787.