:ooh: Just looked at the list............

First day I met this guy,something was doggy!
Someone stop this cheat before innocent souls are killed.
Should be locked up and stripped off all his credentials.
Old saying....cover up one lie will take you ages!

OK Alloha, thanks for all these details.
what is the medium flight time a month, on narrow and wide body ?
Salary calculation is not easy. Some guys say basic salary could be quickly increased by a factor of 2. And do you know the lay over duration on a long haul flight, LAX, JFK....or medium (CDG, LHR...) ?
Many tanks !

flyingbusy:


What you have heard is only part of the story. Your basic salary is relatively low. It is then very fleet dependent whether you improve significantly on the basic salary or not. The 777 and the A320 do well, but the guys on these fleets complain they work too hard with lots of minimum rest and few days off. The A330 is probably the worst where you work a lot but fly few hours. The embraer and 747- Don't expect much more than the basic salary. 777 layovers generally are minimum i.e. JFK- 24 hours or less, LAX- 48 hours (I think), LHR-24 hours.

If there is no scope for a 777 FO to be illegible for command for something like 10 yrs in sauida I guess one should try for either emirates or qatar as they offer more than saudi in terms of living conditions, command opportunity, quality of life, etc

@captainpluto. Well EK not anymore. With 6-8 years for command u can stay in SV for 3 years and then have a fast upgrade in other airlines.and of course its not only matter of salary but also matter of spending. The cost of living in Dubai or Doha is much higher than in JED . In SV u make more and you spend less. Way less to be precise

Todays rumor is that the contract for US medical insurance has expired and wasn't renewed on time. So effective midnight, no one has US medical insurance.

That really is going to inspire new hires !

It doesn't inspire new US hires even with US insurance. Too many time zones and families not willing. Mainly from other parts of the world:)

My 2 cents for my 2 years
 

My overall evaluation after 2 years as Capt.
Soon my contract will end and on my side I will not renew it.
Saudia is a good airline if you land here at your 55/56 and dont have any expectations.

Pro's:
Salary, cockpit environment.
Good equipment

Con's:
-Lines and pairing often changed without notice
if u have a good pairing, be ready that will be changed to 4 legs night flights because someone else with a good wasta want it.
- days off:before/ after you will always have late /early flights and you will be stucked in jed.
-family accomodation: since 1 years no more family accomodation for new joiners. Hotel down town or Motel in compound.
The general system managing the airline is very old: bidding, trades, tech log/mel, dispatch system.
-your base is Jed but you will stay 98% in Riyadh in an isolated Hotel with junk food.
-Not a single expat Capt got a fleet change to wide body, and it will not be in the future as per recent confirmed managment decision.
-Not a single expat F/o got command upgrade.

Most of the pilots are here for money.
Few pilots are leaving because at the end very few are joining
The most senior remains.
Life/family style is very poor.

Hope will help

Alloha:
Careful of the advice you're giving there. There may? In the past have been an extremely small number of expat upgrades but these were in accordance with the company seniority list. If you believe that the Saudi f/o's are going to accept some kind of super seniority with regard to upgrade when many have been with the company for 12 to 15 years and are still waiting, then you are living in dreamland. Have you heard of Saudiisation. It's a big deal here.

Reality check: there will be upgrades and they will be in accordance with seniority.

Thank you everyone especially Mutt for clearing out all the doubts for the new FO's joining Saudia. As Ethiad not hiring at the moment, the choice is clearly EK/QR over Saudia. Even if the pay is less one can enjoy more in Dubai with a drink or two and freedom which will add more colour to life rather getting paid more but not being happy at the end of the day in Jeddah. A astronaut might be paid millions but is it of any use to him up in the space? Just a thought.

Regards

Thank you polax52,
May be rosters will be different with the integration of new 777F ?
I heard that a part of new hired on T7 would be based in Riyad, flying on passenger and cargo.
Lots of opinions about SV. With good and moderate...
But conditions look to be quite accepable if not perfect. What do you think about that ?
And, with the expension of the fleet ; to move to the left seat could be faster.

No No and No. All upgrades will be according to seniority and yours will SUCK, you will be number 8-900 in the First Officers list. There is a steady stream of Saudi college graduates about to start returning, they will take a lot of the A320 training capacity, leaving less places for upgrades.

Present FO's with over 10 years service are getting bypassed due to Saudiization, they were promised left seat A320, but it doesnt appear to be happening.

Last Mainline FO's to upgrade were about 5 years ago.

Strangely enough a lot of people are extremely happy here, its all relative to how many days you get to spend in the Sahara :)

Upgrades
 

Polax, i never said something different than 10-12 years minimum for upgrade. practically means that forget it. If you wanna join do it for 3 years of well paid experience in the T7 ( with all the obvious Cons) and then find something else for a command upgrade

Sorry Alloha, I misunderstood...

Is there any such understanding in Saudia that for on 777 Arab P1-P2 fly together on most of the occasions and expat P1-P2 are paired together?

captainpluto- I don't think so...

Where did you get that sort of idea from? Flights are bid as part of a line, they aren't bid with a flying partner as is the case with Flight Attendants. Therefore the crew mix is the luck of the draw.

Saudia first officer 777
 

Hello guys, I just sent through my application to saudia to this address [email protected] is this the correct email? Please advise.

Saudia is is my last choice of airline of preference mainly due to no upgrade to captain, I have applied to my first choice etihad and second qatar in that order.

I have 3405 hours total with 1729 on B737 efis as first officer. I have just been upgraded to captain on the dash 8q400 at my present airline. However my heart is with long haul wide body flying. I am 32 years.

What do you guys think? Think of using saudia as stepping stone if it comes first to get on the 777 then move to somewhere I can upgrade,qatar or etihad.
Thanks in advance for your comments.

Dabo i suggest you built some left seat hours on the Q400 and in the sandpit things will go easy for you especially in QR or EY.However i was never aware that saudia don't upgrade expats to left seat

As we have said before, they do upgrade expats, but its in line with your seniority and company requirements, latest group to get assessed have almost 10 years of service!

Saudia recruitment
 

Hey guys,

How can I apply to Saudia? I try through the web but I get ERROR after finishing the application.. Any email useful?
Thanks on advance.

2000 h
 

dabo with roughly 1800h ijet time (and only 737) I really doubt that saudia will offer u a T7 position. Bunch og guys with 3-4000 h on the NG are on the line. Furthermore Saudia now is hiring FOs for the 320 as well. I wish u all the best for the T7 but i would keep my horses if I were you.

Hours reqs
 

Alloha,
What are the mins hrs required for 777 ?

2500 Total
(Min 1500 Glass jet on Narrow Body or 1000 Glass Jet on Wide Body or 750 on Type)

Narrow body = above 35,000 kgs

thanks
 

mutt, aloha, n1limit thanks for your comments, will just prepare for the interview then take things as they come.

Thanks Mutt. I got 1500 on these....


http://www.glasscaketops.com/planes/p/plane4.jpg

I currently undertaking my 190 series Embraer type rating Left Seat, and would like to work in Middle East. I do have about 10,000 hours have turbo prop Q400 the rest Avro RJ and Embraer 145. How marketable am I for left seat in Saudi or Oman Air.

pic time
 

I think u need minimum 2000h pic but u can check their website

Oman air just started to look for B737/Ejets skippers. 2 days ago.
Mins are 4000TT 500 PIC on type and something like 1500 PIC on 27T Airplane or something else similar to that.
Go ahead and have a look to the website

What's the story with US Medical insurance, gone for good or ??

8 billion dollars spent by Saudia on Airbuses today at the Paris Airshow-60 aircraft.

Expansion plans?
 

What exactly is the nature of the expansion at Saudia? Is it true that percentage growth over the next few years could be from 50 to 100 percent?

argentina21:

There was a press conference last month which explained that the Saudi government and King would like the company to double in size over the next 5 years. The company is currently around 130 aircraft excluding the lease aircraft.

It was clarified that those wishes of the government were simply an impossibility. Despite significant Pilot recruitment efforts over the last 3 years, there just is not enough quality and experience available particularly for the long haul fleets.

They addressed the actual expansion which they believe is possible and listed types and numbers of aircraft they could achieve by 2025. That total is around 195, it includes 70 A320's.The remainder will be wide bodies roughly a split of 777/787 and A330. I would guess that these numbers include the 60 aircraft ordered in Paris.

saudia pAS15 ordes
 

the company announced orders for 20 A330 regional and 30 A320. The regional A330 has a max range of 3000 NM and it will be used in high density medium and short routes (Cairo Dubai India Pakistan and of course the domestic routes). So the company will utilise the T7 mainly in LR routes. Deliveries to be started by 2017

Hey Hey

One quick question. The medical results ( done in Cairo ) should arrive within 10 days. For those who did the interview, is it correct ? Also, did you get the sim result right away ? We have been told that we would receive an email the next day, but so far, none of us received anything. I then assume we will receive a " global " email with the green light when the medical arrives from Cairo.
Do you have any infos ?

fireball:

This is something really bad about the HR department and the selection at the moment. It reflects badly on an otherwise good company.

You will not hear anything until they have the results of the medical back, I believe these results are a government decision and regarding the issuance of the residence permit. The results take 2 weeks to come out and the HR take another week to get positive results out to individuals. Negative results will probably never arrive. if you are really enthusiastic to know your result then wait 2 weeks and then telephone the HR department; forget e-mail..it won't work.

Polax, thank you very much for the quick reply. That's what I thought. I'm quite confident but it is still an uncomfortable situation !

@fireball23. I m a bit surprised that they didn't tell you anything about your sim session. Must be a new procedure because until May they used to say . If 15-20 days pass without any update polax is wright. Your possibilities of having an answer in an email are thin though it is happening sometimes. Dont forget that the ramadan starts tomorrow and things will change. So be patient

polax52,

Thank you for your succinct reply. It clears up much of the confusion regarding future expansion plans at Saudia.

Is there a link to an article outlining what was said at the press conference?