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Flyboy_SG 23rd March 2017 17:16

Nope, this is latest.

mutt 24th March 2017 18:22

@VAMY.... HR and IT..... Once the person is sitting in the seat he has the authority to sign whatever is authorised for his position, so it needs IT to implement that authority into SAP.

Flyboy_SG 2nd April 2017 02:35

What is it with the latest safety meeting Vamy? things got really hot I heard.

metro301 4th April 2017 16:58

I wish the new CEO better luck with his next employment endeavour.

Is what anyone that knows how SVA works internally will be saying shortly.

777AV8R 4th April 2017 17:45

FDM
 
The ICAO Annex 6 and Doc. 8335 require operators to have a FDM program. The lack of implementation was caught in the ICAO USOAP and is considered very serious.

metro301 5th April 2017 10:25

Vamy,

We shall see..... Seems like open rebellion against the new CEO. If you think that a low cost airline guy from Europe is going to remain standing, then you Sir, need to pull your head of your ass.

I wish him luck, but reality is something different here.

The only change I have noticed over the last year or so is the number of expats b1thcing and moaning publicly on how bad things are here.

metro301 5th April 2017 11:02

In addition.... If you have been around as long as you say, you should know that without a doubt, GM's, VP's and EVP's get changed around on average every 2 years like clock work. The EVP position was only created a few years ago, so none were actually "long serving" in their current position. Having a few removed recently doesn't really tell us anything.

777AV8R 6th April 2017 03:47

LEI
 

Originally Posted by VAMY (Post 9729930)
777AV8R, you are correct. The lack of a properly implemented and functioning FDM program is indeed considerd a very serious transgression of ICAO Annex 6-Doc. 8335. The more germane question is why it has not been implemented? I believe the answer to that question is obvious to many and certainly to the CEO.

Metro301, with respect, you need to "pull your head out of your ass" and have a good look at what is going on around you. I first came to Saudi Arabia in 1982, so I too have a long experience of this place. Without doubt the Kingdom is certainly on the change. I'd suggest you take the 2020 Transformation initiative and the 2030 programs seriously. They are both run by the Deputy Crown Prince and the Crown Prince. As long as they are controlling these programs the changes will move ahead.

Why do you think so many long serving EVP's and VP's have been removed from their positions recently and with such stronge criticism from Higher management?

Its the culture of not doing the right thing because its viewed as not important. The whole ME works in a reactive mode. The majority of States who have an effective oversight system operates in a preventive philsophy. Not until the operator or the State runs up against a serious incident/accident, will they ever change. When ICAO returns on an ICVM and the LEIs remain, this will be a good signal to ICAO/FAA to downgrade their status.

mdysf 10th April 2017 10:16

FLying school / academy / university Saudi Arabia & UAE
 
Hi All i am planning to train with Saudi flying academy located in Riyadh www.saflightacademy.com and or the prince sultan aviation academy also i am looking for Alpha aviation academy , can some one tell me any chances if trained with Saudi flight academy ?

mutt 10th April 2017 13:07

Most if not all of the posters here are expatriate pilots, therefore they came to Saudi as qualified pilots rather than initial trainees, so its not a good place to ask your questions. However we all train with PSAA for airline required training, PSAA doesn't train people to obtain a licence.
You need to find some ex-students of SAFA and see if they school actually delivered as expected and in the time expected.
Good Luck.

mutt 12th April 2017 22:21


Saudia B747 incident at Jeddah, where the crew had a double engine failure and emergency return after they shut down the wrong engine. A serious engine fire occurred and a very serious accident was narrowly avoided, definitely more by luck than judgement.
OK, what was the name of the Captain who did the takeoff and what was the name of the Captain who landed?

metro301 13th April 2017 06:25

Vamy,

Your pedigree is certainly formidable.

The initial information you post is also very accurate.

I have issues with the conclusions that you draw. I believe you to be wrong on many counts.

When this CEO doesn't have his contract re-newed, or he departs early, I will gladly accept a drink on your tab.

As for 2020/2030, I don't think there is any sane expat rooting against success. It would be lovely to see the country advance to a more sophisticated level. That being said, the resistance to the winds of change are pretty strong. Rather than having unbridled optimism, I hold a more realistic outlook with a strong dose of hopefulness.

Flyboy_SG 27th April 2017 09:05

Ruh based pilots are still living in Makarim. In Jeddah, people are being tossed around here and there.

mutt 27th April 2017 15:35


In Jeddah, people are being tossed around here and there
Tossed around?

@VAMY, excellent memory good sir.

Mr Angry from Purley 27th April 2017 15:44

Slightly off topic I did a Haj many moons ago with Laker and was staying in the Sands Hotel in Jeddah. We arrived in the middle of the night. The next morning I got up went to the pool and "bombed" one of our staff. I slightly misjudged though and I'm told I managed to "hit" someone next to the pool - One Idi Amin.... Fortunately there was not enough meat on me for him to eat me...

mutt 28th April 2017 06:06

He lived in the Sands hotel for years, used to find him in the local supermarket each Friday.

Flyboy_SG 28th April 2017 16:13

yeah, from hotel to hotel...

metro301 28th April 2017 20:13

Vamy, surprisingly close timing on this article to help make my point:

http://www.economist.com/news/middle...-saudi-arabias

Change does not come easily nor rapidly here.

metro301 29th April 2017 21:42

Agreed.

But.... Which will the masses choose

Old Boeing Driver 30th April 2017 12:19

@VAMY
 
I knew Paddy back in his 737 days. Great guy and an excellent pilot. Good thing he was at the controls.

metro301 14th May 2017 18:41


Originally Posted by VAMY (Post 9749092)
Metro301,

I don't know the term of the CEO's contract, for all I know he may not even have a renewable contract. Consequently, I can't speculate on whether or not it'll be renewed. However, if he gets "the boot" or "handed his hat and coat" or leaves prematurely, then I'll be the first to admit I was wrong in my assessment. Then you'll be more than welcome to get "!!!! faced" on my tab!


I like my "TEA" with diet pepsi. Chief transformation officer MR. M.B. has had his resignation accepted along with a few others effective today.

mutt 15th May 2017 02:47

Interesting, I thought that he would hold out at least until 2020.....

metro301 15th May 2017 21:02

Pepsi going back into the fridge, European CEO still in place as far as i can tell.

dieana 15th May 2017 23:14

Is the portal available to apply? I go to Saudia Web Page but it do not lead to the application page.

mutt 16th May 2017 02:34

@metro301 COO also gone replaced with VP Safety. These two brothers really have risen in the airline management.

Top gun pilot 797 16th May 2017 07:17

VP Safety was earlier GM Standards. Am I right. Same person? A Pilot.

mutt 16th May 2017 07:46

Nope, it was his brother who is now MD Royal. Both are pilots.

metro301 16th May 2017 09:19

One of the brothers was my supervisor when I first started here, great guy.

Top gun pilot 797 25th May 2017 18:59

Surprisingly, all the top brass at present are pretty decent guys.
Let's hope there's more positive spins off of this story...
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argentina21 26th May 2017 19:19

Albrecht aims to pilot Saudia back to its ‘glory days’
 
This article is a month old, but still informative.

Albrecht aims to pilot Saudia back to its ?glory days? | Arab News

mutt 27th May 2017 07:45

Are we seriously going back that far?

https://photos.smugmug.com/Airlines-...%2846%29-L.jpg

Flyboy_SG 28th May 2017 00:53

Wonder what was the glory days are like...

Top gun pilot 797 30th May 2017 14:28

I remember the thick lush carpets in their first class cabins back in the 90's.
Something I've never seen since

Flyboy_SG 16th June 2017 01:50

Thanks for the Enlightenment VAMY. Inshallah.




Proposed Accommodation allowance.... What a joke !!!

mutt 16th June 2017 14:18

Flyboy_SG,

In Saudia the concept of glass half empty glass half full applies, yours always appears to be half empty, so I have to ask the question, why do you stay?

Top gun pilot 797 16th June 2017 18:50

Mutt.
I think he's talking about the 35k & 50k PA housing allowance offer to FO's and Capt's respectively in lieu of staying at Saudi City.
It truly is a joke.
Someone wants all the pilots to participate in the survey with a resounding NO.
That ensures this someone keeps getting his kickbacks from the various hotels that are housing these pilots in Jed and Ruh..!
Off now..

Flyboy_SG 17th June 2017 02:26

Mutt,

I'm sure you are enjoying your cozy villa as we speak. Accommodation is a big issue for us right now. It has been 20 months since joining and no sign of getting a villa/apt in the saudia city ! All we got was this ridiculous 35/50k acc allowance per annum email !!!
I have already shifted to three places with family.

It is not about half empty/full story. It is about !!!! happening around here. BTW I'm not staying here anyways. Just awaiting contract completion.

Capt_CheeseDick 17th June 2017 07:33

Arrhh the graft, corruption and kickbacks continue... and we thought that would end when adnan was caught red-handed and booted out.
There are so many vacant Units all over the Saudi compound... 3 actually in my little section of street. :ugh:

Flyboy_SG 23rd June 2017 08:10

Thanks VAMY,


Very much possible. But I have witnessed some units being furnished.
We had a meeting with big bosses recently. They have promised us that about 48 units are gona be ready by August. Lets see what happens. As far as saudia us concerned even the locals are not happy with the way things are going on. Time to fill our buckets before something goes wrong seriously.

Happy Landings

Flyboy_SG 30th June 2017 22:26

�� lol , it's August 2017.

who knows may be the meeting was just an eye wash.

A big change is coming for sure. yes,locals aren't happy, but they wouldn't leave either. They cannot survive other airline culture.


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