Without forgetting that others already did the assessments for NTSO and are still waiting for good news........etc :sad:

CTC
 

Indeed is sad to see CTC supplying Pilots to QR .....

More work for Trolley and Dolly at the Manor !! :mad:

Ah the plague that is CTC - was only a matter of time before they came over here. :ugh:

hi
 

It´s also the Guys who pay for CTC....
and then the complaining ..uuuh im a low time a320 rated guy give me a job ....come on


UP

Ok just to make clear about the ctc thing. Are we talking about fresh graduates leaving ctc or also experienced pilots delivered by ctc??
Or are we also talkng about selfsponsored guys doing (paying) their type with ctc??. Bit all unclear to me.

Hello everybody,

I was wondering, how short noticed are you called for assessment for SO?

Is it hard, I mean studid hard like DLR, or more "down to earth" hard? What sort of subjects do they focus most?

Is this CTC mafia thing to monopolize the low hour cadet real, or in fact that's just another way to get in like any other candidate organization?

And the last one, are they recruiting now SO's? How many? 320 fleet only?

Thanks a lot in advance.

I did the selections (ab-initio, NTSO) early Feb. It has been 3 months now, and no feedback (positive or negative) has been received yet...

Tried to contact them (email), they didn't answer...

So there we are, all waiting for news, lets hope this news will come someday... :rolleyes:

I did the selection for SO in November ; received the good news the 24th January and now still waiting for further instruction!

I tried to call them several times, but cant get them on the phone. Do they have special working hours?

Does anybody know if ctc is only delivering low hour guys? Or also selfsponsored typerated guys?

Qatar better be prepared for their new pilots to be trained in EZJ SOPs, since their part-time instructors can't be bothered to learn any other airlines SOPs.

I'm really sorry to hear that they have an exclusive arrangement with CTC.

Guys, have some hope. The intake of CTC graduates is not going to lead to QR stopping FTSO hiring. These are different programs, the careers page is still displaying an advert for FTSO. Those who have already been interviewed for NTSO and have passed, should not worry about not joining. QR already stopped NTSO applications a long time ago, those who are already in the system and have passed selection should eventually join.

Let me get one thing straight right now: QR DOES NOT EVER SEND EMAILS TO SAY: PLEASE WAIT THERE IS A DELAY. They will ONLY send you three emails if you were successful:

1. You've passed the selection
2. Here's your contract/joining date
3. Here's your ticket and visa

That is it, no one from recruitment will send any unauthorized emails. Go through this forum and see if anyone has reported different. That means that if you have received email #1 you will eventually get email #2. HAS ANYONE EVER RECIEVED EMAIL 1 BUT NOT EMAIL 2? Check the forum it hasn't happened. Some people waited 6 moths but they finally got it.

There are no new NTSO joining right now, except for Qataris as there is a shortage in training resources. Also a whole bunch of pilots have joined from a bankrupt European Carrier, so all training resources will be allocated for them first. They are experienced and can be put on the line quickly. They will resume with joining dates for NTSO soon. Do not think that you have been forgotten. Do not start guessing things in haste and despair. Be patient. The recruitment department is too busy to take your calls and to reply to each and every request. I don't think you realize what a busy place QR is right now.

Hold in there, everyone SO that is in QR went through what you are going through, its not uncommon.

Judging by their expansion plans guys and gals, I hardly think 20-30 cadets a year, maybe up to 50 per year across all schools(this is simply based on the assumption that these were the successful ones at interview) will make a huge difference in the long term with some ridiculous number of aircraft waiting to be delivered.

That only covers about 10 aircraft, and assuming all 320 guys, that doesn't include the guys currently on the 320 that will transfer to the 380, 350 and 787. Or to mention the guys trying to escape!

It really is a waiting game to see how things pan out, not ideal, but often its better to see how things are working out. If of course you have that luxury.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the announcement either, if anything its prob just a PR thing. QR have taken from all different schools before, and different streams, and I have no doubt, at least for the forseeable future, they will continue to do so.

They just have to start up a cadet pilot programme for all nationalities:ok:

AIRMANN
 

"They just have to start up a cadet pilot programme for all nationalitieshttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/thumbs.gif"

The programme covers 50 % of the cost which is very good but only for Arab nationalities as far as i know....

Thanks AIRMANN for your useful information, thats gives some hope ..

Cheers !

Just to let people know that NTSO have been left in dark ! No rejection, no positive news.
There are answers to everything but absolutely no word about the situation of people who do not even know if they are in or out. We are aware about “the patience” but come on, now 7 months for few of us??!!.Why not just let people go with a rejection or tell them that they were successful ??

Our profil is very different from each others so WHO ARE WE TO BE LEFT IN THE DARK LIKE THAT? WHY?WHY THERE IS NO ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION? EVEN FROM THE HR, NOWHERE!

@RK303
 

perfect post...:D:D:D
7 months is too much for a yes or no mail. Atleast give them an acceptance/rejection mail so that they can relax.
I wonder when will we get a call for the assessment (shortlisted and waiting :ugh:) .... :(:(:(

lol:O I tried it louder FL123, still no results.:}

Be strong SOs colleagues! and don't forget that very hard work is waiting for you in Doha to reach the FO level so no need to be in a rush I guess:ok:

All the best;)

Bomb on board:
take to a special location in the aircraft and decend to 10000'

Tyre burst:
continue take off, you have more runway available to land again

circling approach:
the missed approach from the approach flown
on final from the landing runway: climb do msa, turn to the circling side and follow the published missed

seatbelts:
always, shoulder harness for taxi, takeoff and landing

with the bomb on board, besides following above advice some aircraft may consider extending gear and flaps in case you later lose hydraulics?

If the blown tire happens within 20 kts of v1 I would also recommend to continue takeoff
wake turbulence descends 300-500 feet per minute and normally dissipates within about a 1000 feet..... I would guess 3 minutes but think answer is "5"

Just interviewed with QR
 

Well, it took about 3 months but finally I got invited to interview with QR on May 9. So, it is all over so now just waiting to hear if I made it or not. The whole experience was great from start to finish. They flew me both ways business class and man, best I have every experienced and I have done this lots over the years. Air Canada is dog **** compared to this first class company just to give you an example.

Anyway, all was done in 1 day. 5 star hotel, nice. There were only 8 guys for this 1 day, less than I anticipated. Out of them only me and 1 other guy, had good jet command time, the rest, not much. Some Dash captains but only for first officer position, I think just the 2 of us for captain, me for sure. Meet and greet at 8am, then 50 question MC test in 1 hour. Test not easy, but all of us passed, but you had to know many things to pass and lots of theory of flight and other stuff. There were 2 or 3 different exams, we compared, different. They told us all immediately after exam we passed. I was then told interview in an hour, great and picked first. Interview went well, the usual stuff like tell us about company, yourself, etc. Then, lots of senerioes about situtions, lasted about 40 minutes. Nice folks, only 2 of them, one man, one woman. After interview, told me in 5 minutes I passed, and invited to sim in a few hours. Perfect, time to relax, lunch, and they off to sim. All sims were busy so they put us in 787 one pilot at a time with instructor, he played first officer and ran the box, not ideal situation but was ok. ALL hand flown, no FD, no AT, no NAV, all hand flown and raw data. Short bried before sim, wx ok, couple of approaches, some airwork, 2 ILS approaches with 1 APU fire and evacution. Thats it. Not easy jumping into new type first time, but they arent looking for you to ace flying this bird, more interested in CRM, decision making, and so on. I was a little ropy to start, but last half, did well. You must tell him exactly what you want him to say or do, or he does nothing. Remeber your check calls, and so on. Anyway, it went ok, could always do better but kept blue side up, landed nicely. He never said a word about how I did, didnt press it. So, that was the day. Was told on interview, it takes about 4 weeks just to hear if they plan to hire you, and then, weeks or longer after to get offer. Not once did they hint or tell what plane you would fly, cause they dont know it seems. They gather all the info, the chiefs get together, and decide who gets what. It all depends on timing and of course what you bring to the table. In my case, hard to say. I have pretty good B and AB time as captain, so maybe a chance to get DEC on 777 or hell, even the 787 but I dont know their policy on this or who they have to pick from. It is clear to me that they are NOT getting really high time and experienced captains from what I saw on my assessment. I thought many more pilots and guys with really high time, but not so. So I am not sure where I fit into the mix, but any job they offer would be fine, pay is basically the same but schedules would be different of course. So now, it is a waiting game, just wait and be patient, pushing them will NOT help and make it worse. So I did my best, and all I can do and see what happens. But first, you must pass your exam or you are done. If you pass it but fail your interview, one guy did, you are done. I am just glad I was called and to have the opportunity and I did enjoy the whole experience. QR staff were very friendly, on ground and in the air, and treated me with respect and kindness. Good luck to you guys who are applying.

QR Allowances
 

Hello everybody !

I know that QR gives housing allowance of 10000 qr for FO and 12000 qr for Capts...

What about furniture allowance ? is it considered and how much ? if yes, then when ? is it after the probation period or as soon as you join QR ?

Is it true that married pilot get 2000 qr Extra ? That what every company in qatar gives to married employees ....

What about the interest free loan from the company ? and what is the max amount if given ?

Thank you !

Your post has been answered here.... http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/46...salary-11.html

@flightdeckman

You might be right although, i applied in december, but so far did not get invited. So the annoying thing is, should i regard this as 'not selected' since others get invited within 3 months or is my case also based on patience?

Interview invitation
 

I have heard of cases where people get mails that they are not selected for interview but anybody knows about the case that they simply newer replied?
More than two months after application for me and still nothing. I would realy like to believe that no news is good thing.

.......
 

The "no news" ,"good news" applies aft interview in my eyes.
Aft interview all people didn't pass got "bad news" within approx 20 days.
In my case it was"no news" so aft 3 months I got "good news" email.
::}

......
 

That's correct, "no news" "good news" and a very good waiting ;)

cloudbasher
 

I don't really know what is your notion of "high time and experienced captains" but on my assessment ONLY for DEC there were guys with +17000hr TT, + 11000hr command time and +8000hr wide body time, with others with around 10000 TT and +6000hr command time on wide and narrow bodies. For me thats pretty good experience anywhere in the world. Don't forget they're making assessments 5/6 times a week, so yours was just a small sample in the overall average.

Nevertheless, thanks a lot for sharing your experience at the selection process!

In terms of fleet allocation, to give you an example, a guy experienced as I reported above was offered the A300-600 so expecting the 777 or even the 787 might be pushing the envelope a bit.

Good luck

Be patient
 

All,
To give you my example...
I applied the first time in September 2011. I updated my profile in December 2011. In January 2012 I received an invitation. I went to Doha in February for the assessment. In March I received the good news. And now I am still waiting for the contract. I am a FTSO.
In another thread I wrote what might cause the delay for receiving the contract.
So basically, keep updating your profile and be patient.
As said before... They are holding 6 times a week interviews. And each day, about 10 guys/girls come. That's 60 pilots every week.
I think I don't need to explain how busy the recruitment department is at the moment, as well as the training department.
The facts are that QR needs about 700 pilots this year.
A friend of mine who started 2 months ago told me also that there are always about 2-3 pilots who come to start with QR and they leave after a few weeks, because unable to adapt to the ME.
Another 8-10 pilots are apparently fired every month because of not flying a stable approach. This is just a rumour. Those cowboys come in high, fast, not configured in time...
Cheers and c u in Doha! Sooooooooooooooooon!!

Thanks for the posts Flightdeckman, they are recomforting.

I totally understand the arguments, it is crazy work to expand an airline by a third in a single year and it is nonsense to think that all can go smoothly...

Still, sending one extra mail, at least to the pilots that were successfull in the process, after six weeks of waiting stated in the good news mail, saying "Gentleman, we do want you in our company, pls give us another two months of patience before we offer you the actual contract", wouldn´t be that difficult, and it would make a huge diference.

It is a pitty that QR is investing a fair amount of time and money into getting the candidates to Doha, accomodating them, leading them through the process, and then to loose them a few months later, just because of the inability to properly communicate. :sad:

@cccc
 

sooooooooon------>Inshaállah!;)

Interview Invitation
 

upwhereIbelong a friend applied same time I did and received negative mail in 10 days (you don't meet minimum requirements ...). For me nothing still (this was end of February). I applied for NTR FO so I guess I am not at the top of priority but I meet the requirements more than twice and that keeps me hoping.
I wonder is there anybody who never got any reply?
Also anybody knows the success rate of the interviewed candidates?
How many pass in average in one group?
As I read this forum the wait seems exhausting but I think QA is worth it.

Best of luck to everyone here

interview very soon.

has anyone had B787 for sim recently (within last week or so)

cheers

bmiFO.

Hi aka,

I applied for f/o. I also never got a reply although i'm meeting the requirements.

Dont know if i should consider this as "not selected". :ugh:

Check out 787 simulator at Gatwick
 

EmbraerFOBMI,

Sounds like the Qatar 787 simulator has been used lately if you read some of the other posts. Evidently it is somewhat random which sim is used - probably dependent upon use of the other sims at the time.

Others on this forum have described the procedures used during the sim. I would look for those details in posts specific to the sim ride. That said, if you do get the 787 sim during your interview, perhaps it will look something like this one at Gatwick (nice view of the HUD on takeoff):


And yes, I'd be quite happy if I were assigned the 787! :ok::} That said, not sure if newhires will even be given the option for the next few months. Seems a bit random. I assume internals will get the first open slots but you never know. With 60 787s coming over the next 4 years, I am sure suitable newhires with the requisite experience (probably widebody experience - who knows...) will get assigned the 787 at some point down the line. Given the recent delay in the arrival of the 787 to August, who knows how that will impact fleet assignments...

Good luck in your interview and sim!

Share your recent experience, please .
 

The Form was sent 2 months ago. No emails got back from Qatar, neither positives nor negatives. I meet all the requirements with 5000h on MD80. Going for NTR F/O.
No news so far.
What's the average waiting time for the interview after applying?
Share your recent experiences guys. I know there are several posts about that but everything is changing very quickly there and it'd be so helpful to know the most recent experiences.

Cheers ! ! !

@FLIGHTDECKMAN
 

Hello Sir,

As you seem a lot informative. Could you please tell us as to when the Span Air pilots will be clearing the TYE RATING and the LINE TRAINING area.
So that the individuals on hold could then receive the DOJ/YES-NOmail/Assessment Invitation.

FL123

A lot of them are joining next week. They hired about 140 of them.

@FL123
 

In my opinion the issue of the trainning of QR's new joinners being on hold because of the 50 or 60 Spainair guys that recently joinned is just fallacious. Ok the numbers are big, but those guys are already A320 TR, so their trainning will be short (around 4 or 5 sim sessions and 8 flights) and won't take long. At least not as long as the non TR DECs, FO and SFOs that are joinning at the time. What I mean is, when an airline is growing like QR is, the priority will be recruiting first the guys that will be ready for line flying earlier. Also for what I've been told their recruitment department is so overwhelmed that they're unable to answer phones or send emails besides the ones that are supposed (good news or fail/offer of employment/ fleet allocation and DOJ).
Just my opinion, nevertheless...

just keep waiting
 

i applied for ( F.O ) position on october 2011.
interview invitation feb 2012
interview on the 04 march 2012 ( sim on 787 ).
good news email 21 march 2012.
still WAITING for the next email ( 8 weeks so far since the good news email )
hope all the best for all of you guys waiting:)