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skya320 12th Feb 2009 13:21

QR no longer give you a letter to apply for auto loan unless you have completed 6 months in the company.
Most bank here also required the same ( 6 months in the country)
It's much more difficult to get a loan here now. Too many people left the country with defult loans.

Goodluck!

Capt Krunch 13th Feb 2009 01:43

well said SpamCanDriver.

the financial institution I'm associated in this country had stopped giving loans all together about 1 month ago, siting financial crisis reasons, they also mentioned the loan policy is being revised.. and it would be a month or 2 before some type of loan would be available to QA staff once again.. and yes he also mentioned .. Inshala..

due to the many people who leave the country with default loan ( not just in QA) the banks have tightened up with regards to loaning money, as well the financial crisis and the fall of the housing prices ( i.e. The pearl project) has gotten the banks to do a massive re-think.

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Krunch

KRUGERFLAP 13th Feb 2009 02:35

1) AIN KHALID GATE (Version 2.0) is almost complete i guess. So you gonna go there. Or if you single get the housing allowance and rent a place close to the corniche.Get a beautifull asian girlfriend and she gonna help you a lot bro.The lazy europeans NO GOOD.LOL

Now they close the AL MANSOURA Apartments and Mushereib,so you gonna be safe.I think they will put you in a hotel for the first week.

2) IF you got any medical problems,go to DOHA CLINIC. You gonna love the doctors. They gonna give you tons of medicine that u get for free in the next door pharmacy.

3) Don't bother about car .With the salary you can buy anything up to 250.000 Qatari Ryals.(Used to be up to 500.000,but the credit crunch arrived)

4) Wellcome to the worst place to work for in the middle east. You gonna need lots of ,i mean LOTS of PATIENCE.

But one thing is true. YOU WON'T HAVE PROBLEMS RELATED TO LACK OF MONEY .

YOU HAVE NO LIFE,BUT LOTS OF MONEY.:ok:

USE THEM AS THEY GONNA USE YOU FOR 2-3 YRS(IF YOU MANAGED TO DO SO),AND THEM RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN out of AL QATARIA.

The worst 5 five star Airline.


LEARN THE BASIC WORDS TO SURVIVE IN A ARAB COUNTRY:

Massalama = bye bye

Chukram = Thanks

Habib = Friend

Ya la Ya la = move, go

SAlam Aleikum = Peace for you



Welcome to the EXPAT WORLD!

ecp 13th Feb 2009 03:50

Qatar Medical
 
Hi Capt. Krunch
Can you tell me something abaut the Medical Check for new pilots joining QR.

Thanks

tangalanga 13th Feb 2009 04:57

IVER, CAPT KRUNCH, SPAM, KRUGERFLAP and all the otters, thank you for sharing your thoughts !!!!!!!! It really helps a lot.:D
Just like IVER said, some of you guys are missing something very important, QR may not be the best place in the world to work for, not even close to, but let me tell you something that is a fact and not just my appreciation, there are many many places worst than that, and for many people, like me, is a blessing to be hire by this company.
I bet you all that nobody will prefer to stay waiting tables like I am, than be flying for QR. Do not be selfish, there is many otter situations more frustrated than flying for Qatar. We are a lot of people out there without a job or few options.:{
Thank you any way for all the inputs, the good ones and the bad ones too, I am sure they are sincere, and they help to get a big picture of the whole QR thing.
There is an old saying “Do not bite the hand that is feeding you”:ok:

tangalanga 13th Feb 2009 05:06

One more thing, if you see a crazy guy riding a bicycle around all Doha, that probably will be me !!!!!!!!!!:}
Just get out of my way mo:mad:er!!!!!!!!:}:}:}

loc22550 13th Feb 2009 05:33

Oh my god..Tagalanga...you wish...!
Cars here will NOT get out of your way !Courtesy doesn't exist here on the road.
Anyway if you insist..let me give you one tip:The safest time to take your bicycle on the road "might" be between 1.00am and 5.00am or friday morning.:uhoh:
Anyway you have been advised.:ok:

ECP: medical test, standard one :
-Basic examination:weight,size,blood pressure,E.C.G,
-Ears test,eyes test;+X-ray,blood test for new joiners.
No need to be an astronaut ..like for Korean air for example...

KRUGERFLAP:
Not everybody has a lot of money here..I known some F/O who can't save anything here! After renting the villa for their family(not everybody is willing to put their family into a flat!),pay the expensive school's fees for their kids, loan for car.....

TheChitterneFlyer 13th Feb 2009 10:39

The global downturn of the economy hasn't made it possible to make specific choices as to where you might get a flying job, so when needs must... anything is better than nothing!

Having said that, God, I'm sooooooo pleased to be back amongst the ranks of the unemployed here in the UK.

Take a few 'top tips'... DON'T ship anything out there until you've served your probationary period. RENT a car during your probationary period... you might otherwise be sorry if you decide to leave, because you'll owe the bank a huge pile of wonga that you must clear prior to your departure. DON'T risk your life riding a bicycle; Qatar has the worst driving skills that I've ever come accross in my not inconsiderable travels around the planet. It would be rare 'not' to witness a rear end shunt on the way to the office every morning. On the rare occasions when it rains... stay at home! If you're going out for dinner in the evening... allow at least one hour to crawl accross the grid-locked city; better still... take a cab. DON'T be tempted to get pissed-off by other inconsiderate road users and give them the finger... you'll be on the first flight out of the country, or, if you owe wonga to the bank... you'll end up in a prison cell!

All the very best of luck. Stay cool. Stay calm. Or... sod it; I'm outta here!

TCF

SonnyCrockett 14th Feb 2009 00:44

Been using the Search Function all week.....

I understand about Muslim Culture, I ment the "Buy a Beer" as tounge in cheek....


So sorry for the pun......

MYROSTERSUCKS 14th Feb 2009 16:43

QR day to day life/flying
 
A lot of you on this forum probably know about the hiring spree in India.!! On behalf of all the prospective new joinees may I ask all the pilots already with QR to shed some light on stuff like roster/leave/travel priviliges/ allowances/work atmosphere whilst on board/general treatment of pilots etc.
Many thanks!!

Capt Krunch 14th Feb 2009 18:21

Use the SEARCH function.. thats what it's there for.


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Krunch

MYROSTERSUCKS 14th Feb 2009 19:06

Yes Krunch ,I know there is a search function n yes I've used it too. However you can't really blame a guy who's considering a big move to ask other pilots if there's anything UPDATED that they might want to add. If everything could be read on the old threads, there never would be any need for another one about Qatar, right??
Thanks for your time though!

shneidertrophy 14th Feb 2009 19:40

One thing I can tell you....


Rosters suck here as well!

Capt Krunch 15th Feb 2009 04:38

MYROSTERSUCKS


A lot of you on this forum probably know about the hiring spree in India it was just a road show, not a spree,
they are doing this all over the world these days, just so happens they are targeting area where the aviation industry has come to a low point and there are some desperate pilots looking for work, with common fleet experience.


][roster/leave/travel privileges/ /work atmosphere whilst on board/general treatment of pilots etc/
roster: depends on your fleet, A320 really bad.. A330 can be Very busy at times but reasonable, lots of DH for F/O's... A300 pretty busy these days as they too are short...A346 routes are limited, some say they're busy some say they love it... B777 because it's a new addition it's the least busy of all fleets, but that will soon change.
in short.. 8 days off per month ( NOT consecutive). On fleets like ( but not limited too) the A330 you'll have some of those 8 days off while on layover giving less days off in Doha.

leave/travel privileges: 42 days per year taken in 2 blocks / unlimited ID90, Capt's can opt for First Class tickets, F/O can opt for Business class tickets. NO upgrade policy in and has always been in affect. a jump-seat is a Y class ticket.

allowances: OK noting to write home about, you can Make a living. in India you can make a BIG living.

work atmosphere whilst on board
: all depends who your jumping in the aircraft with, some flights can be good fun and some flights can be your worse nightmare.

general treatment of pilots: after all you have read on these forums, I'm not even going to answer this question, what makes you think things have changed.

enough for you ??

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Krunch

MYROSTERSUCKS 15th Feb 2009 09:17

Thanx a lot for ur time AND patience in answering my queries!! U might not realize it, but every bit of info does help.
Have a pleasant day!

justchilling 15th Feb 2009 20:42

Capt Krunch
 
What's happening with the February screening?

I have been given a date to choose and chose 25th/26th of February. Since then I have been sending them emails requesting the confirmation but I don't gety any reply and it's only 10 days to go!

Have they cancelled the screening for February?


Capt Krunch 16th Feb 2009 02:56

justchilling

as mentioned previously, the dates you have picked are not set in stone and might not be honored, they will try their best but it's not a top priority to meet your personal request.
(remember, don't shoot the messenger)
hiring is continuing like normal as it has for many years now, we have batches of 6 to 12 qualified persons every week that make it thru the screening and eventually arrive here for the scheduled courses that start twice a month for the Boeing and twice a month for the Airbus.

so, NO screening for FEB is still on going, just hold on and don't get to excited, you will hear from the guys.

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Krunch

S.F.L.Y 16th Feb 2009 04:07

Hello Capt. Krunch,
is it that they were overloaded as you said it or is it that they "replaced" the Feb candidates with new more attractive guys from the recent roadshows ?

Capt Krunch 16th Feb 2009 09:36

S.F.L.Y

to be perfectly honest, I'm not in the position to say exactly what the HR does and does not do, I only have some knowledge due to longevity and some friends in some places of interest within.

having said that, it would only make sense to me ( maybe I'm a bit jaded in thinking this way) but if we had candidates with little or no type experience waiting to screen and along came someone who better met our needs, and with little effort to get him up to speed in our operation. I would have to opt to take the experienced ones. after all this is a commercial operation in ( and always been ) desperate for experienced crew to operate. things cannot always be fair and Rosy, we all know that.

Keep in mind this is not normal economic times and it is unusual to have this many experience guys / girl in the pipe line wanting employment. also some of the routes that QA are planning require much more than the normal crew figures to operate at the level requested by commercial. all things considered, they are in a bit of an overload and this does delay things quite a bit, so I would venture to say most are just delayed for a short period of time if at all.

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Krunch

cosmiccomet 16th Feb 2009 10:01

Shorlisted erased from the data base
 
I have been short listed on July 22nd, 2008.
HR sent me the letter saying that, but there has not been
any email for the interview dates up to now.

I talked with a friend who is flying A330 for QR and he went
to the HR and they don't have my application in the data base:{:{:{

So, I have reapplied again...

maxtrails 19th Feb 2009 06:12

Sim Assessment
 
Would anyone care to throw some light on the Sim Assessment? I might have one coming up in the next few weeks.
Also, how are the flying hours logged in a heavy/Augmented/Double crew ops? Is time in the bunk logged or discounted as in EK?
If someone can give an idea as to how long one can realistically expect to wait for an upgrade it will be of great help too. I am aware at least 3 yrs in the company as per policy.
Thanks for your replies.
Happy Landings!!

P.S. I did try the search function but couldn't find anything specific about my queries.

loc22550 19th Feb 2009 06:34

Upgrade TODAY in Qatar airways:...5..6 years.
But thinks keep changing like the wind direction here.So i think NOBODY knowns about tomorrow...

maxtrails 19th Feb 2009 07:12

loc22550, thanks for your reply.
I agree its changeable.
If I remember 4-4.5 years was mentioned by the visiting team here. Just helps to know if one figure is mentioned and the reality is a bit different.
Are FOs who fulfill the requirements actually being upgraded now or is the process just at planning stage?
Thanks again for the info.
Cheers!

widebody300er 19th Feb 2009 15:18

I did recieve an email from QR a week ago asking witch airport I would like to fly out of Washington or JFK. Have not heard back..:D

zerograv 19th Feb 2009 16:23

Capt Krunch

One more question for you if you wouldn't mind :O

I have 550 hrs on B757/767 (about 50/50 on each aircraft)
but the total time is very low, that is, 860 hrs total.

Do you think I should have a go at Qatar or would I be just
a nuisance for HR if I would do that.

Cheers,
Zero

loc22550 19th Feb 2009 16:32

As far as i known yes, the upgrade goes on for the one who fulfill the requirements..

shneidertrophy 19th Feb 2009 21:37

It is all very easy...

First of all, you have to meet the requirements ( 5000hrs TT, 3 years in company)

Than you take your calculator and you start counting:

500 FOs in company today, all of them more senior than you, most of them will meet the requirements ahead of you. Lets substract 50 to cater for second officers who will need more time.

450 FOs in front of you, awaiting upgrade.

Contrary to popular belief here, there are NO plans being made so far to upgrade on any other fleet but the A320s. and thats a fact!
A320 handles about 4 upgrades/month, 44 upgrades a year maximum!

Of those selected about 60% gets through the upgrade process, others fail.

So if all goes well, you have to deal with 270 FOs in front of you who will make it ahead of you, at a rate of 44/year max. This gives you a time frame of 6.13 years to wait if you would join now!

This is calculated with the situation as we know it today. And we all know things can change in any direction any day around here.

Good luck!

maxtrails 20th Feb 2009 02:15

Thanks loc22550 and shneidertrophy

That was very good information. Didn't realise that upgrade is on 320. Its a good a/c to fly maybe (haven't flown it myself) and I'm told its a good rating to have but this was not mentioned during the interview. So that says something, I guess.

Capt Krunch 20th Feb 2009 04:52

zerograv

well there is no doubt about the fact that guys who apply that are not qualified are a nuisance and consume precious time away HR's progress.

but, having said that I would never tell someone not to give it a try, you just never know. To be honest I don't think you would be hired with such low TT but then again stranger things have happened here in the past.

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Krunch

zerograv 20th Feb 2009 16:54

Capt Krunch

Many thanks for your input :ok:

Choosing not to be a nuisance. May be sometime in the future ....

Safe flights,
Zero

cargodogs 22nd Feb 2009 07:40

tangalanga:

For non-company info on moving to Qatar you might wanna check out Qatar Living | Everything you need to know about living in Qatar. I've found that site very useful. Of course, I haven't actually moved to Qatar yet. But, I've found people there to be very helpful and to give a more positive impression of Qatar than what I've found here. :)

Xaxa 22nd Feb 2009 17:34

For non-company info on moving to Qatar you might wanna check out QATARSUCKS | and the world needs to know! also.

The site deals mostly with problems of low-paid labor, so you might think that it does not concern you, since you will be one of demigods who can afford a 4WD car and accommodation that is not shared...

Still, it is good to see the picture from all the sides. ;)

ninja 25th Feb 2009 12:45

QA Company Accomodation MUST Be Taken
 
Hi,

I've just been informed that all deck crew must take the company provided accomodation. Does anyone know why this has come into force and if it is only a temporary measure? Reason i ask is because i was going to find my own place, albeit more expensive, as the 2 bed apartment provided by the company wont be sufficient to accomodate my family.

empati 26th Feb 2009 23:10

Also interested in the answere of this one!

Anyone?

KRUGERFLAP 27th Feb 2009 01:10

Goat Flying
 
Qatar is like this,and believe ME IT will get worst.THAT's the way they are.TAKE IT ,OR LEAVE IT.

GOOD LUCK ,WHILE FLYING FOR THE GOAT!:ugh:

Shaman 27th Feb 2009 08:09

I must be looking in the wrong thread but I cannot find the answer to a question I have re A320 captain rosters..............

would anybody be kind enough to let me know approximately how many layovers a captain could expect each month (on everage) and approximately how many "up all night" flights one could expect to do?

loc22550 27th Feb 2009 09:11

No specific rules...:
You might have 2..3...4...5.. layovers a month..,same for night flight (the only restriction is a max of 3 night flight in a row when you are "acclimatised"...
You might not see some destinations layovers for 6 months+...
Generally speaking..not well balanced and fair.

loc22550 27th Feb 2009 09:16

Ninja: you might have been informed..
Personnally i Haven't seen anything, and haven't been informed!
Do you reallly think Q.R has enough accomodation to accomodate all the pilots...!
Maybe just for the new joiners.

ninja 27th Feb 2009 10:08

As far as i'm aware its for all new joiners.

ViejaEscuela 27th Feb 2009 12:03

Interview in DOHA
 
Hello everyone,
Can somebody tell me what the personal interview involves in general?
Documentation, questions they ask, if there is a SIM test, etc......
I am type rated A320 and if they ask questions about the aircraft.
Best Regards to everyone


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