EK Salary Review Time Again

[FlightDetent]

Is that true IRL or just confirmation bias?
+ the T7 crew from EK did not have an abundance of age
+ PIA A320 and Ethiopean MAX both had F/Os not far beyond just qualified
+ Atlas 767 experience if PM was severely irregular
+ AirAsia F/O very wrong mix of years to hours

[svp]

Originally Posted by flyTheBigFatLady

Europe in general agreed
US - have a closer look what they pay now

don't believe the ads. in order to achieve this much you have to be very senior in one of the three majors. like very senior long haul pilot and don't forget its taxed overall

[Latestormer]

Originally Posted by FlightDetent

Is that true IRL or just confirmation bias?
+ the T7 crew from EK did not have an abundance of age

34 - 7,000 / 37 - 7,000

+ PIA A320 and Ethiopean MAX both had F/Os not far beyond just qualified

PIA is a bit hard to talk about as there was nothing sane about that flight... Even their licences. I'll refrain to talk about this one specifically.

Ethiopian

29 - 8,000 / 25 - 360

After the crash, the MAX was grounded and had to undergo an entirely redesign on MCAS. New training was then given. Needless to say that the crew did realise what was going on and they did switch to cutout both trim actuators.

+ Atlas 767 experience if PM was severely irregular

Both under "training watch" as they've failed basic stuff.

60 - 11,000 / 44 - 5,000

+ AirAsia F/O very wrong mix of years to hours

I should remind you that the Captain left his seat to reset unauthorised C/Bs. His 20 thousand hour experience did raise the insurance price, i guess?

Yet, not sure what you mean by "wrong mix of years to hours".

53 - 20,500 / 46 - 2,200


AF447

58 - 10,000 / 37 - 6,500 / 32 - 2,900

Asiana

49 - 12,000 / 45 - 9,600 / 40 - 4,500


So, here is your data. What exactly is the point regarding to age/hours? How did that help?

[VThokie2]

Originally Posted by svp

don't believe the ads. in order to achieve this much you have to be very senior in one of the three majors. like very senior long haul pilot and don't forget its taxed overall

Hmm I’m an EX EK driver, Now a 5 yr FO at a US low cost NB operator… 230K this year, work a day or two extra every month granted but still over 15 days off a month. Not bragging at all, but to counter your point. And I’m not an anomaly. But believe what you like.

[nimrodjoe]

Of course nobody with a half decent job in USA or EU is coming to EK.

The only ones from the UK I see are Ryanair guys. EU guys usually come as a second/third choice having not got in a proper gig back home.

Africa, Aus and Asia is the future for this airline !

[Mexican123]

Originally Posted by nimrodjoe

Of course nobody with a half decent job in USA or EU is coming to EK.

The only ones from the UK I see are Ryanair guys. EU guys usually come as a second/third choice having not got in a proper gig back home.

Africa, Aus and Asia is the future for this airline !

And don’t forget Mexico and South America.

I am currently flying as a FO at Aeromexico (Mexico biggest airline) NB making 60k.

I prefer a shitty workload with a shitty management and some dollars over a shitty workload, shitty pay and shitty management. I mean, it’s an easy choice.

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Originally Posted by nimrodjoe

Of course nobody with a half decent job in USA or EU is coming to EK.

The only ones from the UK I see are Ryanair guys. EU guys usually come as a second/third choice having not got in a proper gig back home.

Africa, Aus and Asia is the future for this airline !

Nobody?

Maybe not recently but EK definitely had people from BA and Virgin join, say 5 years ago for sure. Got a few from Jet2 joining. Virgin hire and fire regularly. You only have to look through LinkedIn to see peoples profiles.

Ryanair well EK could fill the whole 777 fleet I’m sure. Close to a 1000 Ryanair pilots working notice. Qatar and EK the top places for FOs. Captains bit tough to go from LHS okish position to RHS. Ryanair might not have got rid of pilots during the pandemic but they didn’t pay salaries either and paying less than pre pandemic now so people just fed up.
UK wise most only see BA as a step up.

[Rhodes13]

Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123

Nobody?

Maybe not recently but EK definitely had people from BA and Virgin join, say 5 years ago for sure. Got a few from Jet2 joining. Virgin hire and fire regularly. You only have to look through LinkedIn to see peoples profiles.

Ryanair well EK could fill the whole 777 fleet I’m sure. Close to a 1000 Ryanair pilots working notice. Qatar and EK the top places for FOs. Captains bit tough to go from LHS okish position to RHS. Ryanair might not have got rid of pilots during the pandemic but they didn’t pay salaries either and paying less than pre pandemic now so people just fed up.
UK wise most only see BA as a step up.

Wrong again. No one has left Virgin in the last 5 years to join EK. From BA you could count the number on one hand.

Try to stop making up the story as you go along.

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Originally Posted by Rhodes13

Wrong again. No one has left Virgin in the last 5 years to join EK. From BA you could count the number on one hand.

Try to stop making up the story as you go along.

So people have left from BA then?

I didn’t say in the last 5 years specifically. I didn’t specify Virgin UK. That’s your presumption on both.

Norodjoe said he is only seeing Ryanair.

I could even find people leaving Qantas in 2019 for Emirates. Unless everyone in LinkedIn is making stuff up.

[Rhodes13]

Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123

So people have left from BA then?

I didn’t say in the last 5 years specifically. I didn’t specify Virgin UK. That’s your presumption on both.

Norodjoe said he is only seeing Ryanair.

I could even find people leaving Qantas in 2019 for Emirates. Unless everyone in LinkedIn is making stuff up.

Once again changing the story. Perhaps you should be a politician.

You said Virgin, which colloquially is taken to mean Virgin Atlantic not Virgin Australia or Virgin America especially given that you're posting from the UK. If you mean those companies you would have said so. You also said "say 5 years ago for sure."

Now I'm no English scholar but that statement implies you meant in the last 5 years. I'll go one better for you. No one joined EK from Virgin in the last 10 years. And BA yes, you could literally count them on one hand with multiple fingers missing.

Again when saying Qantas, you want to specify if its mainline or the regionals? When you try and paint a picture to suit a narrative its very easy to cherry pick the data. How about you mention all the people going the other way or does that not suit your agenda?

But sure keep painting the picture as bleak as possible for the UK/ ROW. Your tune is really quite tiresome.

I still have to ask if its so good why aren't you there yet instead of plodding it out in the UK?

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Originally Posted by Rhodes13

Once again changing the story. Perhaps you should be a politician.

You said Virgin, which colloquially is taken to mean Virgin Atlantic not Virgin Australia or Virgin America especially given that you're posting from the UK. If you mean those companies you would have said so. You also said "say 5 years ago for sure."

Now I'm no English scholar but that statement implies you meant in the last 5 years. I'll go one better for you. No one joined EK from Virgin in the last 10 years. And BA yes, you could literally count them on one hand with multiple fingers missing.

Again when saying Qantas, you want to specify if its mainline or the regionals? When you try and paint a picture to suit a narrative its very easy to cherry pick the data. How about you mention all the people going the other way or does that not suit your agenda?

But sure keep painting the picture as bleak as possible for the UK/ ROW. Your tune is really quite tiresome.

I still have to ask if its so good why aren't you there yet instead of plodding it out in the UK?

Ok if we are being exact, last 10 years Virgin Atlantic you can find, admittedly only 2 on LinkedIn that says they were Virgin Atlantic before and now EK. You will have to search that yourself. I’m not posting names here!!
Yeah sure more going there other way. From what I have found/know people both EK and BA either way not that many. Definitely last 4 years you got BA guys gone EK and the other way. This just LinkedIn, not everyone is on LinkedIn.

The LinkedIn pages for Qantas people just said Qantas and flew B737 and A330 so pretty sure that’s mainline.

Yes the UK is pretty bleak especially if you’re a UK only citizen with a UK pilots license. 30% of the guys and gals I flown with are seriously worried about interest rate rises that will add in some cases £800 a month to there mortgage bill. You know what they say? At least the guys going to Qatar and EK get free housing.
As this thread is about salary review how much pay rise did BA get? They should be leading the way on things like this.

I never said rest of the world was that bleak. KLM, Air France are amazing. Terms and conditions are leading the way in EU land. US is amazing as well.

You are the guys/gals or maybe just one person that are travelling down a one way street with the bashing of Dubai and EK and yet the question should be why are you still there if that is the case?

For your sanity leave!!!

I was in a completely different career before. My boss and family told me I was mad to throw it all away and leave not just the company. It was a colleague who said if you don’t leave you will be a miserable lifer.

I am much happier flying.

Work in progress to the last point.

[AIMINGHIGH123]

As this thread is about salary you can’t deny EK are way down the list. Compared to US yes EK need to improve it. Compared to EU land etc the pay is very good.

Industry as a whole hasn’t really improved (outside the US). Ryanair Captains in 2005 were paid almost the same as they are now. Terrible.

I mean at my old outfit we had an ex EK CC join us. She was EK for 10 years. She put a 70% deposit down on a property in the UK from everything she had saved while at EK.
Before anyone says no it wasn’t a mansion or a shoebox/garage etc, averaged size house average property price in the south of England.

[svp]

Originally Posted by Rhodes13

Wrong again. No one has left Virgin in the last 5 years to join EK. From BA you could count the number on one hand.

Try to stop making up the story as you go along.

trust me there are, even now more than ever. my friend is a recruiter and he shared this with me

[VThokie2]

Originally Posted by svp

trust me there are, even now more than ever. my friend is a recruiter and he shared this with me

Is that the same friend that told you that you have to be a 30 yr training Captain at a US legacy to earn the same net pay (while working half the hours) as an EK Captain? If that’s the case your source nor you can be trusted!

With as hard and professionally as EK drivers work they deserve so much more, stop selling them short, Apparently you don’t think they are worth any more and should simply be happy with what they’ve been given. You sure you are not EGT or TCAS?

[svp]

Originally Posted by VThokie2

Is that the same friend that told you that you have to be a 30 yr training Captain at a US legacy to earn the same net pay (while working half the hours) as an EK Captain? If that’s the case your source nor you can be trusted!

With as hard and professionally as EK drivers work they deserve so much more, stop selling them short, Apparently you don’t think they are worth any more and should simply be happy with what they’ve been given. You sure you are not EGT or TCAS?

i don't think i need you to trust me, and i don't know what you are talking about.

[VThokie2]

Originally Posted by svp

i don't think i need you to trust me, and i don't know what you are talking about.

That is very evident! Good luck in your propaganda campaign! It comes down to a simple question….. Do Emirates pilots deserve more or should they shut up and be happy with what they have? I say they deserve so much more and should be the highest paid and best treated in the entire world, because they are worth it…. Currently they are not, however you seem to be under the delusion that they are. As it is now the average narrow body Captain in the US is netting more for much less work…. Shameful you defend that.

[Mike Koal]

Originally Posted by svp

i don't think i need you to trust me, and i don't know what you are talking about.

This SVP moron has been posting rubbish on here waving his Emirates flag about for weeks. Sounds like a mix of Gulf news, TCAS, lance Armstrong, An Emirati FO from a recent flight and Big Mandy from recruitment . Absolute ignoramus.

[Rhodes13]

Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123

As this thread is about salary you can’t deny EK are way down the list. Compared to US yes EK need to improve it. Compared to EU land etc the pay is very good.

Industry as a whole hasn’t really improved (outside the US). Ryanair Captains in 2005 were paid almost the same as they are now. Terrible.

I mean at my old outfit we had an ex EK CC join us. She was EK for 10 years. She put a 70% deposit down on a property in the UK from everything she had saved while at EK.
Before anyone says no it wasn’t a mansion or a shoebox/garage etc, averaged size house average property price in the south of England.

Those Qantas pilots you're referring to were all at EK on LWOP (leave without pay). Their deal was for maximum of 5 years at which point you either resigned from Qantas or went back. They also had pilots at QR and ANA.

They all went back.....

​​​​​​The simple fact is that the work rate at EK is unsustainable for a career no matter how much money you're paid. After circa 8 years there I was broken. Endless 2am departures, a management that can and will make changes to FTLS at a whim (changing a BNE from a 4 crew op to a 3 crew op which they quickly reversed) are a killer.

EK are still doing turns to China. That is insanity and shows how much your health (mental and physical) is valued at EK. You are simply a guest worker and a cost to be managed with almost no rights.

I had my passport withheld by EK on my last day after they unilaterally reduced my last severance cheque. I had to sign the paper to get my passport so I could leave the country. This is despite it being illegal in the UAE to do so. They then took 10 weeks to give me the remainder of my money. How's that for following the rule of law?

But please Aiming keep telling me how much better EK and the ME is compared to the UK/EU! Tell me again how much experience you have doing ULR ops and 900+ stick hours a year? Or living or working in the ME? No a family holiday to Dubai doesn't count.

Whilst you may have some valid points you refuse to acknowledge that you don't know what you don't know and prefer to constantly change the narrative to suit your very slanted view of the UK.

I'll ask again if it's so good why aren't you there yet? Given your ex Flybe and a current RYR pilot you should have the nearly 2000 hours needed to apply. Just remember that when you get there all your workmates are going to love to hear how they're all wrong about EK and that it's actually the greatest place on earth! ​​​​

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[Mike Koal]

I wouldn't listen to a thing AIMINGHIGH says, he doesn't have a job, he was working as a TP pilot before the pandemic and is desperate. He's had a tough few years in the UK and thinks EK (which isn't even recruiting TP guys) is the answer to all his problems.

When money is low, you look at things very differently I guess. Poor sod.

[SOPS]

Originally Posted by Rhodes13

Those Qantas pilots you're referring to were all at EK on LWOP (leave without pay). Their deal was for maximum of 5 years at which point you either resigned from Qantas or went back. They also had pilots at QR and ANA.

They all went back.....

​​​​​​The simple fact is that the work rate at EK is unsustainable for a career no matter how much money you're paid. After circa 8 years there I was broken. Endless 2am departures, a management that can and will make changes to FTLS at a whim (changing a BNE from a 4 crew op to a 3 crew op which they quickly reversed) are a killer.

EK are still doing turns to China. That is insanity and shows how much your health (mental and physical) is valued at EK. You are simply a guest worker and a cost to be managed with almost no rights.

I had my passport withheld by EK on my last day after they unilaterally reduced my last severance cheque. I had to sign the paper to get my passport so I could leave the country. This is despite it being illegal in the UAE to do so. They then took 10 weeks to give me the remainder of my money. How's that for following the rule of law?

But please Aiming keep telling me how much better EK and the ME is compared to the UK/EU! Tell me again how much experience you have doing ULR ops and 900+ stick hours a year? Or living or working in the ME? No a family holiday to Dubai doesn't count.

Whilst you may have some valid points you refuse to acknowledge that you don't know what you don't know and prefer to constantly change the narrative to suit your very slanted view of the UK.

I'll ask again if it's so good why aren't you there yet? Given your ex Flybe and a current RYR pilot you should have the nearly 2000 hours needed to apply. Just remember that when you get there all your workmates are going to love to hear how they're all wrong about EK and that it's actually the greatest place on earth! ​​​​

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