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Old 10th May 2022, 00:50
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My two dirhams worth but I think (777 at least) that the disillusionment of a stagnant quality of life from a rostering perspective, will overtake any woes of no pay rise, should that be the case. Whilst the bidding system is far from perfect, getting days off when you wanted them prior to the pandemic wasn't the gargantuan task that it is now.

COVID forced us all to live on less cash for a period of time and isolated us from family back home for many months. As has been said already, it realigned what is important in life for many. Should the company fail to offer anything, I suspect it may turn some to evaluate their future with EK.
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Originally Posted by GA F15
but this is inflated by the current £/$ exchange rate.
The Pound started to decline against the AED (pegged to the USD) on the 24th July 2014 and shows no sign of returning. It took another hit with Brexit, 20th June 2016, and again with C19, 15th March 2020.

It's basically a 25% pay rise for the Brits. Now would be the time to move, perhaps.
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It is only a 25% pay rise for the Brits who send all their money home. Most will still have significant expenses in AED. The company has come up with this line before, many years ago -"Although you haven't been given a pay rise this year, you have had one really because the dollar has strengthened." It was rubbish then and is rubbish now.
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https://abcnews.go.com/International...eline-84617909

The above article should squash any excitement about any possible wage increase or bonus. The timing of the article is also poignant.
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Originally Posted by Mango
https://abcnews.go.com/International...eline-84617909

The above article should squash any excitement about any possible wage increase or bonus. The timing of the article is also poignant.
The article shows clearly the importance of things - employees are not on the list.
15bAED bailout and they did not have a single fill left to protect jobs.
The exit of a pilot plus rehiring one as replacement costed an average of 6 monthly basic salaries. With just a little effort to spare some of the 15b all pilot jobs would have been protected and today as travel get stronger 1000 pilots would be available ready to fly again. But no, STC and HH had only one concern - “how does it look on the paper”.
My question what are you expecting from these managers.
As usual HH went first to the press instead to the atrium, which always meant there will little to nothing for the employees. If you look back the last decade, when there was a big presentation in the atrium in HQ, than employees got a share of the success.


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"Pay Review has been scheduled for July and a number of additional improvements will be introduced in the coming months for the majority of employees".

Wouldn't hold my breath for any significant improvements..

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An extra SRC?
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I was researching working conditions en EK and that is the only thing stopping me from submitting an application, i currently fly 77 en taiwan and was thinking about moving to dubai, it's al fancy and a great lifestyle there when your not flying, but i dont think even with a pay increase it would be worth it from the information i have rn. Great airline, but i will probably wait and see if they improve not the salary rest time and if the add a commuting or semi commuting contract like 20 on 10 off would make up for the conditions.
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Airbus guys

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What about those of us who came in with experience and expecting quick command? the situation has changed four now Covid is over and everything has returned to normal while glad to be back feel we should have our previous command expectations met as promised. I’m significantly more experienced than some of the other FOs who remain ahead just because they returned earlier.
The pay review should acknowledge this. Emirates have brought back the best and cleaned out house. Now let’s see them value the ones they have brought back.
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Originally Posted by Aussie380hottie
What about those of us who came in with experience and expecting quick command? the situation has changed four now Covid is over and everything has returned to normal while glad to be back feel we should have our previous command expectations met as promised. I’m significantly more experienced than some of the other FOs who remain ahead just because they returned earlier.
The pay review should acknowledge this. Emirates have brought back the best and cleaned out house. Now let’s see them value the ones they have brought back.

I trust your above post is an attempt to garner a response regarding the way this company treats its employees, so for the benefit of those who might not understand your sarcasm, let me enlighten them. If, on the other hand, your post is genuine, then I am happy that you are back where you belong.

For those who came in with previous experience expecting a quick command, I’d say they’d be pretty naive to still be expecting that now. If anybody is still in doubt as to Emirates management’s ethics then I can only assume that they have been living in a cave since before COVID was first reported. The only position you hold with that company is the one you wake up with today. It might change tomorrow - you might get upgraded, you might even get downgraded if you are a skipper in the wrong place at the wrong time and there needs to be some face saving, or you might even be relieved of your services altogether. To “expect” anything beyond this - certainly the expectation of a to a quick command due to a promise - would be to demonstrate a lack of understanding of how this company manages and treats its employees.

Emirates have demonstrated time and time again by their actions that your level of experience does not require any recognition from them - you are but a bum on a seat to fly one of their aircraft . Indeed, one could surmise that how one is treated is inversely related to your years of experience. Many experienced men (and women) were let go by the airline, indeed some of the first to go during COVID were the over 60’s and those with 20+ years of experience. If anybody thinks or feels that they are owed anything by this company due to their experience (regardless of whether that experience was gained inside or outside of the company) then I respectfully suggest taking a reality check.

From my impressions of previous pay reviews, the company does not base this on your input to achieving their goals - it will simply be an amount (possibly zero, possibly not) that the company feels it can pay whilst retaining enough pilots to operate the aircraft. If one has thoughts about it recognising a delayed command upgrade then again, I respectfully suggest anybody with those thoughts to take a reality check. Indeed, you might even get a 3% step increase which is called a pay rise, along with a free ticket.

”Emirates have brought back the best and cleaned out house” … now, for anybody without the ability to grasp sarcasm, perhaps this should be expanded upon. Some of “the best” have been lucky enough (and smart enough) to not have had to return to Emirates. I’m not sure I’d be so arrogant to group myself with “the best” but I am one of many who have chosen not to return. There are those who have found alternative employment which has brought into contrast just how tired they felt at Emirates, just how little quality time they got to spend with their families, just how suffocating they felt the management culture was (think getting time off to attend weddings and funerals), just how difficult it was to get a day off they wanted, just how threatening they felt the company communications were, just how worrying it could be to not know if your family medical bills would be honoured by the “company insurance” - so again, for anybody who has difficulties grasping the nuances of sarcasm, let’s just say that “the best” might have returned, but some of the smartest haven’t.

The airline will, in my opinion, always be what it is, a company with a third world management culture trying to masquerade as a first rate company. After all, the company is very good at PR, so masquerading as something that it actually is not probably comes quite easily. Once one has the benefit of working elsewhere AFTER Emirates, then this becomes very clear (atleast I can say it has in my experience).

The “best” may we’ll have returned to Emirates - the above post is certainly a prescient demonstration that they are back where they belong. Some of the smartest have chosen not to.


Good luck to all - especially those still out of work!
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Originally Posted by Going the Extra Mile
I trust your above post is an attempt to garner a response regarding the way this company treats its employees, so for the benefit of those who might not understand your sarcasm, let me enlighten them. If, on the other hand, your post is genuine, then I am happy that you are back where you belong.

For those who came in with previous experience expecting a quick command, I’d say they’d be pretty naive to still be expecting that now. If anybody is still in doubt as to Emirates management’s ethics then I can only assume that they have been living in a cave since before COVID was first reported. The only position you hold with that company is the one you wake up with today. It might change tomorrow - you might get upgraded, you might even get downgraded if you are a skipper in the wrong place at the wrong time and there needs to be some face saving, or you might even be relieved of your services altogether. To “expect” anything beyond this - certainly the expectation of a to a quick command due to a promise - would be to demonstrate a lack of understanding of how this company manages and treats its employees.

Emirates have demonstrated time and time again by their actions that your level of experience does not require any recognition from them - you are but a bum on a seat to fly one of their aircraft . Indeed, one could surmise that how one is treated is inversely related to your years of experience. Many experienced men (and women) were let go by the airline, indeed some of the first to go during COVID were the over 60’s and those with 20+ years of experience. If anybody thinks or feels that they are owed anything by this company due to their experience (regardless of whether that experience was gained inside or outside of the company) then I respectfully suggest taking a reality check.

From my impressions of previous pay reviews, the company does not base this on your input to achieving their goals - it will simply be an amount (possibly zero, possibly not) that the company feels it can pay whilst retaining enough pilots to operate the aircraft. If one has thoughts about it recognising a delayed command upgrade then again, I respectfully suggest anybody with those thoughts to take a reality check. Indeed, you might even get a 3% step increase which is called a pay rise, along with a free ticket.

”Emirates have brought back the best and cleaned out house” … now, for anybody without the ability to grasp sarcasm, perhaps this should be expanded upon. Some of “the best” have been lucky enough (and smart enough) to not have had to return to Emirates. I’m not sure I’d be so arrogant to group myself with “the best” but I am one of many who have chosen not to return. There are those who have found alternative employment which has brought into contrast just how tired they felt at Emirates, just how little quality time they got to spend with their families, just how suffocating they felt the management culture was (think getting time off to attend weddings and funerals), just how difficult it was to get a day off they wanted, just how threatening they felt the company communications were, just how worrying it could be to not know if your family medical bills would be honoured by the “company insurance” - so again, for anybody who has difficulties grasping the nuances of sarcasm, let’s just say that “the best” might have returned, but some of the smartest haven’t.

The airline will, in my opinion, always be what it is, a company with a third world management culture trying to masquerade as a first rate company. After all, the company is very good at PR, so masquerading as something that it actually is not probably comes quite easily. Once one has the benefit of working elsewhere AFTER Emirates, then this becomes very clear (atleast I can say it has in my experience).

The “best” may we’ll have returned to Emirates - the above post is certainly a prescient demonstration that they are back where they belong. Some of the smartest have chosen not to.


Good luck to all - especially those still out of work!
That's true.. If the company is as ****ty as the disgruntled employees here claim it to be, then the best would have left for greener pastures already.
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Originally Posted by Going the Extra Mile
I trust your above post is an attempt to garner a response regarding the way this company treats its employees, so for the benefit of those who might not understand your sarcasm, let me enlighten them. If, on the other hand, your post is genuine, then I am happy that you are back where you belong.

For those who came in with previous experience expecting a quick command, I’d say they’d be pretty naive to still be expecting that now. If anybody is still in doubt as to Emirates management’s ethics then I can only assume that they have been living in a cave since before COVID was first reported. The only position you hold with that company is the one you wake up with today. It might change tomorrow - you might get upgraded, you might even get downgraded if you are a skipper in the wrong place at the wrong time and there needs to be some face saving, or you might even be relieved of your services altogether. To “expect” anything beyond this - certainly the expectation of a to a quick command due to a promise - would be to demonstrate a lack of understanding of how this company manages and treats its employees.

Emirates have demonstrated time and time again by their actions that your level of experience does not require any recognition from them - you are but a bum on a seat to fly one of their aircraft . Indeed, one could surmise that how one is treated is inversely related to your years of experience. Many experienced men (and women) were let go by the airline, indeed some of the first to go during COVID were the over 60’s and those with 20+ years of experience. If anybody thinks or feels that they are owed anything by this company due to their experience (regardless of whether that experience was gained inside or outside of the company) then I respectfully suggest taking a reality check.

From my impressions of previous pay reviews, the company does not base this on your input to achieving their goals - it will simply be an amount (possibly zero, possibly not) that the company feels it can pay whilst retaining enough pilots to operate the aircraft. If one has thoughts about it recognising a delayed command upgrade then again, I respectfully suggest anybody with those thoughts to take a reality check. Indeed, you might even get a 3% step increase which is called a pay rise, along with a free ticket.

”Emirates have brought back the best and cleaned out house” … now, for anybody without the ability to grasp sarcasm, perhaps this should be expanded upon. Some of “the best” have been lucky enough (and smart enough) to not have had to return to Emirates. I’m not sure I’d be so arrogant to group myself with “the best” but I am one of many who have chosen not to return. There are those who have found alternative employment which has brought into contrast just how tired they felt at Emirates, just how little quality time they got to spend with their families, just how suffocating they felt the management culture was (think getting time off to attend weddings and funerals), just how difficult it was to get a day off they wanted, just how threatening they felt the company communications were, just how worrying it could be to not know if your family medical bills would be honoured by the “company insurance” - so again, for anybody who has difficulties grasping the nuances of sarcasm, let’s just say that “the best” might have returned, but some of the smartest haven’t.

The airline will, in my opinion, always be what it is, a company with a third world management culture trying to masquerade as a first rate company. After all, the company is very good at PR, so masquerading as something that it actually is not probably comes quite easily. Once one has the benefit of working elsewhere AFTER Emirates, then this becomes very clear (atleast I can say it has in my experience).

The “best” may we’ll have returned to Emirates - the above post is certainly a prescient demonstration that they are back where they belong. Some of the smartest have chosen not to.


Good luck to all - especially those still out of work!
Hands up mate 👍🏻
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Originally Posted by Going the Extra Mile
I trust your above post is an attempt to garner a response regarding the way this company treats its employees, so for the benefit of those who might not understand your sarcasm, let me enlighten them. If, on the other hand, your post is genuine, then I am happy that you are back where you belong.

For those who came in with previous experience expecting a quick command, I’d say they’d be pretty naive to still be expecting that now. If anybody is still in doubt as to Emirates management’s ethics then I can only assume that they have been living in a cave since before COVID was first reported. The only position you hold with that company is the one you wake up with today. It might change tomorrow - you might get upgraded, you might even get downgraded if you are a skipper in the wrong place at the wrong time and there needs to be some face saving, or you might even be relieved of your services altogether. To “expect” anything beyond this - certainly the expectation of a to a quick command due to a promise - would be to demonstrate a lack of understanding of how this company manages and treats its employees.

Emirates have demonstrated time and time again by their actions that your level of experience does not require any recognition from them - you are but a bum on a seat to fly one of their aircraft . Indeed, one could surmise that how one is treated is inversely related to your years of experience. Many experienced men (and women) were let go by the airline, indeed some of the first to go during COVID were the over 60’s and those with 20+ years of experience. If anybody thinks or feels that they are owed anything by this company due to their experience (regardless of whether that experience was gained inside or outside of the company) then I respectfully suggest taking a reality check.

From my impressions of previous pay reviews, the company does not base this on your input to achieving their goals - it will simply be an amount (possibly zero, possibly not) that the company feels it can pay whilst retaining enough pilots to operate the aircraft. If one has thoughts about it recognising a delayed command upgrade then again, I respectfully suggest anybody with those thoughts to take a reality check. Indeed, you might even get a 3% step increase which is called a pay rise, along with a free ticket.

”Emirates have brought back the best and cleaned out house” … now, for anybody without the ability to grasp sarcasm, perhaps this should be expanded upon. Some of “the best” have been lucky enough (and smart enough) to not have had to return to Emirates. I’m not sure I’d be so arrogant to group myself with “the best” but I am one of many who have chosen not to return. There are those who have found alternative employment which has brought into contrast just how tired they felt at Emirates, just how little quality time they got to spend with their families, just how suffocating they felt the management culture was (think getting time off to attend weddings and funerals), just how difficult it was to get a day off they wanted, just how threatening they felt the company communications were, just how worrying it could be to not know if your family medical bills would be honoured by the “company insurance” - so again, for anybody who has difficulties grasping the nuances of sarcasm, let’s just say that “the best” might have returned, but some of the smartest haven’t.

The airline will, in my opinion, always be what it is, a company with a third world management culture trying to masquerade as a first rate company. After all, the company is very good at PR, so masquerading as something that it actually is not probably comes quite easily. Once one has the benefit of working elsewhere AFTER Emirates, then this becomes very clear (atleast I can say it has in my experience).

The “best” may we’ll have returned to Emirates - the above post is certainly a prescient demonstration that they are back where they belong. Some of the smartest have chosen not to.


Good luck to all - especially those still out of work!
Excellent post. For the record .. my new employer and my UNION.. just did a pay review.. which resulted in a $10000 AUD a year pay rise with a 8 month back date . This pay rise is on base pay.. with penalty rates.. it’s a lot more.

And I’m home every night.. with no jet lag.
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Originally Posted by Aussie380hottie
What about those of us who came in with experience and expecting quick command? the situation has changed four now Covid is over and everything has returned to normal while glad to be back feel we should have our previous command expectations met as promised. I’m significantly more experienced than some of the other FOs who remain ahead just because they returned earlier.
The pay review should acknowledge this. Emirates have brought back the best and cleaned out house. Now let’s see them value the ones they have brought back.

What a disgustingly naive, self centred, egotistical point of view.

GoingTheExtraMile. ….. spot on
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Originally Posted by Aussie380hottie
What about those of us who came in with experience and expecting quick command? the situation has changed four now Covid is over and everything has returned to normal while glad to be back feel we should have our previous command expectations met as promised. I’m significantly more experienced than some of the other FOs who remain ahead just because they returned earlier.
The pay review should acknowledge this. Emirates have brought back the best and cleaned out house. Now let’s see them value the ones they have brought back.
You need to learn to spell. And you need to learn how things work at EK. And never believe your are “the best”. You are as good as your last sector in EK… and that’s a fact.
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Originally Posted by Aussie380hottie
What about those of us who came in with experience and expecting quick command? the situation has changed four now Covid is over and everything has returned to normal while glad to be back feel we should have our previous command expectations met as promised. I’m significantly more experienced than some of the other FOs who remain ahead just because they returned earlier.
The pay review should acknowledge this. Emirates have brought back the best and cleaned out house. Now let’s see them value the ones they have brought back.
But significantly less experienced than the Captains who were let go that you want to take the place of.

what an AHole….
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Originally Posted by Aussie380hottie
What about those of us who came in with experience and expecting quick command? the situation has changed four now Covid is over and everything has returned to normal while glad to be back feel we should have our previous command expectations met as promised. I’m significantly more experienced than some of the other FOs who remain ahead just because they returned earlier.
The pay review should acknowledge this. Emirates have brought back the best and cleaned out house. Now let’s see them value the ones they have brought back.

As much as you think you deserve more than other FOs, I can tell EK has also let a lot of FOs with more experience than you have, just because u had a short haul command, doesn’t make you any better.

beside of that EK should have simply respected the seniority list to bring people back to which position or in respect to your career. But they don’t, won’t just because they can and don’t care about the individual

thankfully that I don’t need this outfit of banana republic managers
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Originally Posted by flyTheBigFatLady
As much as you think you deserve more than other FOs, I can tell EK has also let a lot of FOs with more experience than you have, just because u had a short haul command, doesn’t make you any better.

beside of that EK should have simply respected the seniority list to bring people back to which position or in respect to your career. But they don’t, won’t just because they can and don’t care about the individual

thankfully that I don’t need this outfit of banana republic managers
+1.
I make more now than I ever made at EK, and I don't have to deal with some of those aholes in the company both in the flightdeck (as demonstrated by the previous post higher up) and in fleet.

Best of luck to the many good guys who are still looking for a new job...
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+1.
I make more now than I ever made at EK, and I don't have to deal with some of those aholes in the company both in the flightdeck (as demonstrated by the previous post higher up) and in fleet.

Best of luck to the many good guys who are still looking for a new job...
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Really?

Definitely not EU land.

What company pays FO €150k? Captain €220k? Or in £ same amounts to even get close to EK salary?
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