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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 9th Jul 2020, 14:35
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That depends on if the EOSB or the Provident fund is higher. You get the higher of the two.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 14:39
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They can withhold their contribution to the Provident Fund if you are fired. Only your contributions are guaranteed.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 14:45
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Slight correction....You get the higher of the two, and if I remember correctly you are not “fully vested” in the provident fund for the company contribution until your 7 year mark. Up until the 5 yr mark usually your EOSB entitlement is usually larger then what you get from the vested company contributions to the PF.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 14:53
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Originally Posted by Adam Barfy
They can withhold their contribution to the Provident Fund if you are fired. Only your contributions are guaranteed.
fair point
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 15:04
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I think the BIG picture here is that we all knew that there would have to be redundancies. Well are all adults and all realised the writing was on the wall. The problem is that we expected it to be done fairly, with transparency and with care, accessing the options and giving the pilot body some choices in the matter.

The problem is that they have just enacted some slash and burn policy with no regard to individuals livelihoods, dedication or ability. We would all expect people who called sick every Thursday and Friday to be in the firing line, they would have as well. We would all expect the ‘troublemakers’ to be in the firing line, they would have as well. We would all expect the poor performers with multiple simulator, line check problems to be in the firing line, they would as well.

We didn’t expect the total opposite where individuals appear to have been fired on the basis of medical operations, picking on the weakest who have fought back to be entirely productive again. People who had faultless records tossed away like old rags where people with poor performance are kept. People with many years of dedicated service and mountains of experience thrown to the floor where those with little experience are still employed.

Had this been done in a fare and transparent manner people would still have been angry and annoyed but they would have understood. The remaining pilots would have had some feeling of justice in a system that valued them and they would have continued to operate knowing they were valued members of the team. Stress levels and safety would have been upheld and the rest of the world would have looked on and also understood realising that in tough times that Emirates was at least fare.

Now the remaining pilots live in fear. The dread the ping of a new email, just in case its the sound of the axe falling on them this time. Fear and stress levels are at an all time high and the dedication and loyalty of the remaining few is at an all time low.

The heart of the company has been ripped out and destroyed. The image of the company within the worldwide pilot body has been destroyed, only the desperate would willingly come here in the future now, for fear of their own future. Safety is number one, how can this be safe, a rudderless ship, no management willing to take the helm and lead. Leadership is a skill that is obviously sorely lacking. Respect is earned and goes both ways, once lost it is next to impossible to regain. Respect has obviously been totally lost.

When the industry comes back in the next few years, Emirates will have an uphill struggle with hiring and maintaining a quality workforce. I would wish them luck, but actually I dont. My respect for them has melted faster that a snowball in the July sun.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 15:06
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Originally Posted by Adam Barfy
They can withhold their contribution to the Provident Fund if you are fired. Only your contributions are guaranteed.
It is not easy for Ek to do that. I consulted Nick Foxton as well as the trustees representative a few years back regarding this issue. The trustees would need evidence that you had done something quite dire such as stealing from the company or murder etc. Redundancy or even being fired for an error etc would not qualify. They certainly would not believe Emirates that 700+pilots were
stealing from the company. Your money is offshore and managed by trustees. This was the case 4
years ago - I donít think it has changed (?).
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 15:18
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Originally Posted by krismiler
The time needs to be blanked out on the letter quoted in post #478 as it gives the exact time, to the second when it was sent out ,and is therefore easy to trace back to the person it was sent to.
Good thinking but already covered, the exact time is fictitious in my post.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 15:22
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Asking for a friend in Dubai but in another industry: what happens to the redundant/visa-less individual who has a mortgage in the UAE? Any restrictions on outbound movement?
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 16:42
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For those who have been in the company less than 7 years and 3 months and are concerned about entitlement to the provident fund then the good news is that you are due all A/B/C contributions that have been made.

We have been made redundant and have not been fired. If you check the fund FAQs then it will confirm your eligibility to all contributions on that basis. I also have email confirmation from Willis Towers Watson confirming the same.

I’d imagine for most of us the provident fund is larger than eosb. However, as has been mentioned above, you’re entitled to the larger of either eosb or A fund, plus your B and C contributions.

The fund is still held overseas in the Isle of Man.

With regards to leaving the country with outstanding mortgage, this is possible. You are able to buy property in the UAE without being resident.
Clearly if you default on the mortgage then the bank will look to repossess.

If you have salary guarantee letter then the bank will look to offset your end of service against existing liabilities such as loan and credit card. I am not sure on their handling of mortgage debt at that juncture but suspect it would not apply as a salary guarantee is not needed to acquire a mortgage.

Good luck to all.


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Old 9th Jul 2020, 19:07
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Where have you been for the last few years? You have only just worked this all out today? Thanks for info. It was hot again today too
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 19:32
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Not sure about that

I think itís entirely possible that EK will survive and continue to grow. The world wide pilot community doesnít care what happens here. Soon as they start hiring, people will come.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 19:52
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COO AAR just had interview with Bloomberg and does state that "60-70% of A380s back in the air by December" and will keep all "115 A380s" and more "closer back office work with little bro FZ" Some excerpts:

Long-Haul Slump

Emirates, the world’s largest long-haul airline, has been hard hit by the unprecedented slump in travel caused by the coronavirus. It’s already had to rethink plans for the double-decker A380, a mainstay of its fleet, after a dearth of demand elsewhere led Airbus SE to decline to upgrade the jet and then to terminate the program early.

The Gulf carrier, also the biggest customer for the Airbus super-jumbo, plans to take the delivery of three A380s during the fiscal year ending in March, Al Redha said. While the delivery schedule for the last five planes remains unchanged, “if the need comes to re-visit, obviously we will do that.”

The COO expects 60 per cent to 70 per cent of the current A380 fleet to be back in the air by December. Load factor now exceeds 55 per cent and demand for both economy and premium travelers has strengthened, he said. The airline plans to keep all 115 of the double-decker jets.

The Dubai-based carrier will roll out premium economy seats on its newest A380 aircraft slated to be delivered in November, Al Redha said. Some of the existing fleet will be retrofitted from economy to premium economy.

Two Brands

Emirates Group is also undergoing a strategy rethink as it looking for ways to streamline operations and increase efficiencies, Al Redha said. One of the possibilities that is being considered is combining the back office operations of Emirates with discounter Flydubai, while maintaining two separate companies and identities. Both carriers are owned by Dubai’s government.

“There is definitely a scope having to look at how we can reduce the expenses and become more efficient in certain areas, even if requires combining some back office activities,” Al Redha said. , adding that the re-examination is being done for all the companies within the group, including ground-handling and catering arm Dnata.

Emirates and Flydubai have deepened their ties since 2017, embracing route rationalization to minimize duplication.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 20:39
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hows he planning on flying those 380s with only a few hundred pilots on type remaining?
also, I hear you have to take a COVID swan&nasal test prior to entering Dubai? There’s no way I’d take my young children there is they are subject to, what is, a very unpleasant procedure. Are children exempt?
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 21:46
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I concur nervous
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 21:52
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aussie lads be back first I recon . no opportunities at all for them at home .
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 22:10
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Just look at what's happening at Wizz. The company fired 20% of its crew (~1000 pilots and cabin crew members) only 3 months ago in the exact same manner (or lack of...) done by ex-EK managers yet no one cares (or remember?) and the people are even writing grateful comments on LinkedIn that they are hiring for Wizz Air Abu Dhabi now for peanuts. There will be no shortage of applicants at Emirates once they start hiring again.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 22:55
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Very sad indeed , people just kiked out like garbage posting how lucky they where to work for the company ,
this is the attitude that destroied our industry , they don't understand the meaning of professional work ,
the salary is not a gift from the Holy manegement , but don't worry in 2/3 they wiil be senior too and ready to be washed out for a new cycle .
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 23:08
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Ahmed bin Saeed was supposed to be interviewed by Bloomberg. He cancelled yesterday and put up AAR instead. The Ruling family hate to lose face. Hence Ahmedís unavailability. Not sure how he can keep all the 380s when he chopped 1200 Airbus Pilots.

Some very questionable people like a European lady who struggled to make Captain and was then demoted and only just passed again were kept.

Much better people with a small amount of sickness were binned.

it was done on cost. Not quality.

Look after each other. It will be a bumpy ride ahead.
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc
ECHOKILLER - Piss poor tasteless stressful factually devoid alarmist post. Why don't you be a good boy/girl and remove it.

The author is sooooooo full of credibility. Not
Boy oh boy, was the author correct Rexy?

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Old 10th Jul 2020, 07:28
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Boy oh boy, was the author correct Rexy?
It was a senseless,insensitive post, produced by a disgruntled ex EK cabin crew posted as truth, and not as a statement from EK. So yes I stand by by statement. And if you want to be pedantic, 40 percent cull has not been achieved, but it is irrelevant, at the time, everyone could have predicted redundancyís. I would have been more impressed if heíd said how heartless and impartial, Ek management was going to be in the execution of the redundancies.
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