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EK: Enough is Enough

Old 15th Apr 2017, 12:46
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Originally Posted by motley flight crue View Post
Maybe he did ask them, yet they don't care.
You obviously seem to know better...
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Old 16th Apr 2017, 22:08
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sponsorship from EK

Hi everyone,
Have heard all such about EK not being the airline of dreams on this forum but all I want to do in this life is fly which I'm very sure I will enjoy

I'm from Africa, an aviation enthusiast I'm currently in my mid 20's my dream is to one day fly the boeing 777 for EK but I wanna join through there cadet program which I know is for there citizens, but I still feel they will accept internationals based on the fact they have scarcity of pilots in EK. is it possible?
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 09:26
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Max,

The EK Ab Initio program is for Emirati's only, foreigners need not apply. From what I understand, the government pays for everything from cradle to cockpit but the student has to pay back in the form of giving 5 years to the company with pay if memory serves. Perhaps it has changed.

There was some talk about them opening a school for the "everyone else" group but its a heck of a lot of money up front with no guarantee of finishing the course and no promise of a job anywhere, including EK.

My best advice to you if you really want to fly a 777 is to become a famous actor or rock star then get your own aircraft for the band! Bruce Dickenson of Iron Maiden did that. I'm sure he gets about as many women and time off in both vocations!
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 10:34
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Lol
Thanks for the info.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 17:59
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Originally Posted by Desert snake View Post
We are being taken out like pigs. You just pay, pay, pay.The UAE is becoming too expensive. Saving money my ass.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 18:37
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Credibility

Did you even read the article?

"Most of the leading money exchange houses raised the transaction fee by up to Dh2"

It's okay to complain about relevant things, but when you highlight an article like this you take focus from what's really important.

Just my two Dhs...
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 06:11
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" ground pay delay f.d " on payslip...

Discuss
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 08:42
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Originally Posted by luvly jubbly View Post
Fair enough it's a minuscule rise, but I guess that's why he put "sign of things to come". Not "wow, this will hurt my pocket."

All price rises in Dubai are a worry when pay increases don't follow, and what is a 2dhs rise today can easily be a much larger one soon.
It's hardly a new concept. It's called inflation, I'm sure it happens in your home country as well, so not a Dubai thing. Our problem is that our pay rises haven't kept up with that, quite the contrary.
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 09:44
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Inflation...just renewed car insurance and Third party went up 100%
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 09:55
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Jan 1st - liquor lic went up 62% from 170 - 270

When those transfer fees are put into percentiles they increased by 10%,9.3% & 33% respectively according to article linked.

All these items combined with others in everyday life start to have a hit on the bottom line.

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Old 18th Apr 2017, 10:11
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Using individual percentage increases on relatively small things such as liquor license and remittance fees is not an accurate picture. Statistics can be used in many ways, politicians love it.

Overall inflation is higher than our pay rise and have been for years. So we have a big problem!

My point is that instead of looking at remittance fee increases of 2 Dhs, perhaps we should focus on the real issues. Such as 4% VAT which I am convinced will not be addressed in this coming pay review. Or the next for that matter.
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 10:32
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Fact remains that life here is becoming too expensive and that your money is being sucked out of our pockets. Unfortunately the salary does not match the living costs here.
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 13:19
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so just how many 380 and 777 are laying empty without crews in DXB?
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 13:58
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I'm from Africa, an aviation enthusiast I'm currently in my mid 20's my dream is to one day fly the boeing 777 for EK but I wanna join through there cadet program which I know is for there citizens, but I still feel they will accept internationals based on the fact they have scarcity of pilots in EK. is it possible?
So, the choice is the dole, flying for Arik or EK.

It's like choosing between a heart attack and cancer!
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 21:55
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I still have a problem trying to figure out who EK is trying to target when they offer 777 DEC to narrowbody pilots, but at the same time they demand 1000 hrs widebody flying within the last 3 years.
Former Ek pilots who left for LoCo companies?
It doesn't make sense?
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Old 19th Apr 2017, 03:57
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Your last sentence says it all!
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Old 19th Apr 2017, 08:26
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Originally Posted by Xiamen View Post
I still have a problem trying to figure out who EK is trying to target when they offer 777 DEC to narrowbody pilots, but at the same time they demand 1000 hrs widebody flying within the last 3 years.
Former Ek pilots who left for LoCo companies?
It doesn't make sense?
Did you try applying without the widebody hours?
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Old 19th Apr 2017, 15:26
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I think the 1000hrs widebody requirement may be to prevent FZ pilots from fleeing from accros the road...same owner, chairman etc.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 17:01
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Originally Posted by jack schidt View Post

After almost 2 decades in the desert, let me tell you that you have 2 choices. If you haven't worked out what your choices are then you shouldn't be flying aeroplanes here. If you do know what choices are available to you, chose one and live with it.
Well Jack, there are many more choices available to the intelligent individuals who read these forums than your simple "Like it or Leave", "Put up or Shut up" response.

We all know about Market Forces, and we all know that without pilots airplanes don't fly and Airlines don't turn a profit. We imagine that HR watches the Labor Market and will have to compete economically to attract talent. So for some, the first act of rebellion is to describe their working conditions in truthful and factual detail.

I am sure there is not a single poster from EK who isn't aware that these forums are monitored by EK. Most have heard the accounts of litigation being initiated based on forum postings here. Heck, EY discussion is prohibited by the forum because of this.

However, there are those of us taking an option you omitted to mention and
are actively seeking roles of responsibility within EK and engaging internally on the issues being mentioned.

Jack, if you have resigned yourself to accepting whatever is sent your way until you can't take it anymore, and think this is the best approach, then I am sorry for both you and EK. But if you are interested in managing expectations upwards AND downwards throw your hat in the ring.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 17:50
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Eh? In English please...
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