EK: Enough is Enough
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From: Mars
Unless you are in training on the 380, any guy (left or right seat) on the 380 has MINUMUM 14 days or more OFF. Fact! Simply run *crew and check for yourself.
So unless rest days count as days off; 5star who do I write to, to get my guaranteed minimum 14+ days off back from?
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From: dubai
380 LHS : 8 days last month, 10 the month before. I think 5star is thinking f.o's... or maybe locals.. but certainly not me or any of my neighbours. And yes the 330/340 in the last few years before I left it was just as bad as the 777 now. Back then we at least had days off for "training" but other than that, same same. Always thought it was distasteful that for the first 2/3 of my career at EK, my Boeing neighbours lived quite the life,worked less hours and saw their wives, kids, had fun and saw actual daylight - but what was more distasteful is that many took every opportunity to gloat to all of us stuck on the mixed fleet, about how much better their lives were. Now we are all in the !!!!!. At least for now I can avoid the subcontinent crap and for that I am thankful. But still exhausted. Keep discovering. Stick together and stop infighting like teenage girls. Doesn't help our cause.
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From: UAE
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Have a look at the Chart of the Pay Rates.
This is what we should be fighting for, not each other.
Have a look at the Chart of the Pay Rates.
This is what we should be fighting for, not each other.
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From: Stuttgart
Happy Life
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I am happy for u having good roasters.
but before u brag how good the 380 roasters are let me say somethings:
years ago all the nasty roasters had been distributed exclusivly to the 330/340 guys. Now things have changed and the 777 are the poor buggers running those roaster.
Further to say that u are obviously a direct rentry FO on the 380 who gets his big career step at roughly 4 years EK, while lots of ex330/340 FOs are shafted around there stick time, since the 330/340 stick time counts only half. Also the COM on 380 tend to disagree with u having good roasters as they are are flying equaly 100+ hours a month just a bit easier than the 777 guys.
So its easy to say how good your live is being sourrounded by all the others who got shafted in the on or the other way. Be sure your group of happy DEFO will be next as the happy shafting makes it round throug all parts of happy people.
I am happy for u having good roasters.
but before u brag how good the 380 roasters are let me say somethings:
years ago all the nasty roasters had been distributed exclusivly to the 330/340 guys. Now things have changed and the 777 are the poor buggers running those roaster.
Further to say that u are obviously a direct rentry FO on the 380 who gets his big career step at roughly 4 years EK, while lots of ex330/340 FOs are shafted around there stick time, since the 330/340 stick time counts only half. Also the COM on 380 tend to disagree with u having good roasters as they are are flying equaly 100+ hours a month just a bit easier than the 777 guys.
So its easy to say how good your live is being sourrounded by all the others who got shafted in the on or the other way. Be sure your group of happy DEFO will be next as the happy shafting makes it round throug all parts of happy people.
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From: Dusty West
5 star,
Are you thinking 380 FO?
I'm LHS 380 and here are my days off past 12 months.
10, 10, 13, 12, 13, 4 (vacation month), 11 (reserve), 8, 5 (vacation month), 9, 13
Where are you getting your "facts" from or are you just pulling numbers out of your a$$?
Many of us flew the 330 when all of India was night TA with the exception of Kolkata and had 8 days per month. Like Pumpkin said, a lot of our colleagues boasted how great things were on the 777 while quietly thanking the powers that be that they weren't on the fleet.
That aside, I agree with the above...scheduling is all bad now with occasional forays into the dangerous and will continue to be for the infinite future. Everyone gets their turn at some point and EK shows no favorites.
As for the raises and improvement of T and C? Will not happen here, think GF. They will continue to lower the bar until...well lets not go there.
Are you thinking 380 FO?
I'm LHS 380 and here are my days off past 12 months.
10, 10, 13, 12, 13, 4 (vacation month), 11 (reserve), 8, 5 (vacation month), 9, 13
Where are you getting your "facts" from or are you just pulling numbers out of your a$$?
Many of us flew the 330 when all of India was night TA with the exception of Kolkata and had 8 days per month. Like Pumpkin said, a lot of our colleagues boasted how great things were on the 777 while quietly thanking the powers that be that they weren't on the fleet.
That aside, I agree with the above...scheduling is all bad now with occasional forays into the dangerous and will continue to be for the infinite future. Everyone gets their turn at some point and EK shows no favorites.
As for the raises and improvement of T and C? Will not happen here, think GF. They will continue to lower the bar until...well lets not go there.
Joined: May 2006
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From: Scotland
Very sad to see arguing between the fleets. We should support each other.
The Indian layovers are a big improvement IMO. As turnarounds those flights were appalling and you would return from work the next afternoon not just exhausted but ill quite frankly!
The Indian layovers are a big improvement IMO. As turnarounds those flights were appalling and you would return from work the next afternoon not just exhausted but ill quite frankly!
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From: UK
I left EK last year to join a reasonably well known uk airline predominantly based oop North. A couple of anecdotes: last year at relatively short notice I was offered a ticket for a rugby international. The roster was in process so it was too late to bid on - line. Bearing in mind I was told in Emirates that any direct verbal contact with rostering would lead to a written warning. So with slight trepidation I phoned my new rostering number to ask if I could have the day off and preferably the next to deal with the subsequent hangover. I was obviously ultra polite and the girl on the other end of the phone was very friendly but could not promise anything at that stage. The upshot: 5 days off! With the middle day being the rugby day and Scotland even managed to beat Argentina.
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From: Earth
Just..in the last 10 minutes got off Skype with a good friend of mine who has tendered his resignation in the last 4 weeks, his description of the process is enlightening and a little troubling.
Handed his letter in at fleet after a ULR, his mobile rings in the car home with a request to meet fleet and CP Boeing.
He duly attends the meeting where he is quizzed as to his resignation, he replied "rostering, quality of life, unsustainable, life shortening" the response was, we can offer you 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for the next 6 months, and then review it. He replied..ok let me see that in writing, he got the official offer of the freighter contract this week. Not surprisingly his original resignation date stands.
He described the body language of the fleet person and CPB as looking at broken people.
Handed his letter in at fleet after a ULR, his mobile rings in the car home with a request to meet fleet and CP Boeing.
He duly attends the meeting where he is quizzed as to his resignation, he replied "rostering, quality of life, unsustainable, life shortening" the response was, we can offer you 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for the next 6 months, and then review it. He replied..ok let me see that in writing, he got the official offer of the freighter contract this week. Not surprisingly his original resignation date stands.
He described the body language of the fleet person and CPB as looking at broken people.