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EK: Enough is Enough

Old 14th Apr 2017, 14:04
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Not a millenial by any measure but just sick and tired of the crap EK gives us and expects us to take it.
Who would join this mad house? A truly sick person.
Happy Easter and hopefully we will all rise out of here very soon.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 14:28
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Originally Posted by LHR Rain View Post
Not a millenial by any measure but just sick and tired of the crap EK gives us and expects us to take it.
Who would join this mad house? A truly sick person.
Happy Easter and hopefully we will all rise out of here very soon.
Hear. Hear. Happy Easter!
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 14:53
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Join Date: May 2003
Location: Arakis
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My two fills worth

Guys and girls I think you need to try to read the writing on the wall.

They want you to go so that it will reduce the wage bill. Then they will hire fresh cheap guys who are desperate to fly bigger shinier jets if they manage to get any takers. All the carriers work like this. With no relief in sight for economic downturn and war monger ING going around the world I don't think things going to get better.

Also once they have reduced the numbers to half the size people planes whatever else then they will merge north and south.

My advice would be to leave while you have the ability to do so and it's your decision before the proverbial hits the fan. Better to do it this way then to let them make your life a misery which it seems they are doing very well.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 15:44
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gtaflyer do you work in the middle east?
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 16:19
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[QUOTE=TOGA!;9740246]gtaflyer do you work in the middle east?

No
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 17:29
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So you must be a VP then, not working in the ME, but on the payroll, and giving advise.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 17:56
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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We have to make a stance against them and the only way I can see is taking skf days to reduce the hrs and increase our days off. Everyone do it, every single month !!!
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 21:05
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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2005 (12 years ago) one of the guys in this thread wrote:

"We will always be treated no bettter that an Indian to mangement and it is time we start going to greener pastures. I have had it."

The question is.... is it as bad as you say? If so, how come you've stayed here so long? Not a "if you don't like it leave" but seriously... if it was that bad in 2005.. you should have been out of Dubai by now?
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 03:20
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The devil you know!
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 05:56
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EEU, there is no place on this thread for sensible comments like that!
Even if they don't necessarily apply to us tractor drivers!
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 07:12
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Maybe he did ask them, yet they don't care.
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 07:48
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A6EEU
as i said u are proberly one of the lucky ones getting his upgrade in 4 years´, overtaking all the more senior FO from 330/340 and does not have to fly tractor roasters. I totally understand u that u are happy. I wish i could be on the same page and see only the good thing, but the broomstick hit me already to many times to say things are fine and ok! - and that is valid (unfortunately) for the majority of pilots here.


regards
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 08:02
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How about the ASR last month where the Captain kicked out the supernumerary crew girl before take-off on her first flight due to her asking questions...

He asked why we should have supernumerary crew in a 'critical' phase.

He then commented that she didn't come back during the cruise to finish asking her questions.


Well of course she didn't! I can imagine!

How miserable can you get? Truly embarrassing to read - Was probably one of you lot.
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 08:09
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Have to say, since leaving the one thing I do miss is the ASR summary. Always provided a chuckle in dark times.

Some memorable ones - the 'major threat arising from the use of the silver napkin holders', the regular 'I was almost unstable but I wasn't', and the legendary 'wake turbulence encounter on approach - probably from preceding aircraft' (as opposed to the aircraft behind or a giant seagull?)
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 08:15
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Originally Posted by littlejet View Post
If that was the case than that is an insubordination, his ASR was stating something different.
If you cannot control your crew, do not seat in the left seat
Sometimes when you read the ASRs it stinks of 'I'm a new Captain and I like to kick up a fuss about something to show I'm now a Captain and I'm very important...'

I agree it is embarrassing. It's the minority not the majority though, and probably also a result of venting frustration about the bigger issues that can't be controlled.
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 08:45
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Or alternatively, 'I'm a new Captain and I'm just covering my arse by filling out an ASR and will stop filling out ridiculous ASRs when management start operating with a just culture.'

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Old 15th Apr 2017, 09:14
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I liked " over fuelled by 50kgs..."
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 09:35
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50 kg ? Really? What an idiot!!!
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 09:38
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Yeah, and the reporting culture is a bit grim... deal with it at the time and directly...no need to go into print, not cool...
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 10:08
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Honestly some of these pilots we have makes me feel embarrassed to be associated with this profession.

No wonder they call us flight [email protected] at the back ...
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