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EK: Enough is Enough

Old 30th Apr 2017, 16:18
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Originally Posted by 4runner View Post
They're getting US 121 current...the US is a bit skittish of guys that have been flying overseas. I know that sounds ridiculous, and it is. Furthermore, it's against the law to discriminate based on race, religion, nationality or creed. Unfortunately, it seems to be the case.
..Absolutely not true..The majors are hiring expats left and right..These guys and gals are pilots with years and years of experience in international ops, in widebody aircraft..


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Old 1st May 2017, 09:26
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Quick question, is it fair to say that the definition of enough is enough, when you wake up in the and the first thought that enters your head is moving to Qatar Airways?
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Old 1st May 2017, 12:55
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Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
Quick question, is it fair to say that the definition of enough is enough, when you wake up in the and the first thought that enters your head is moving to Qatar Airways?
I think that's the definition of needing a long holiday.
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Old 1st May 2017, 14:20
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Hahahha!
What rus said . Been thinking that actually.
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Old 1st May 2017, 17:26
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Different shade of brown.

Your managers are coming here and making life interesting!
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Old 2nd May 2017, 04:40
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Rather like the 521 detailed report, this years financial figures appear to have been be rather "overlooked". The quietness and lack of communication is deafening from HQ. Will time pass and hopefully no one will know notice?

J
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Old 2nd May 2017, 04:49
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Originally Posted by jack
Rather like the 521 detailed report, this years financial figures appear to have been be rather "overlooked". The quietness and lack of communication is deafening from HQ. Will time pass and hopefully no one will know notice?

J
IIRC there's usually an announcement to announce the results towards the end of the first week of May with the actual figures announced mid May... So nothing unusual yet!
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Old 2nd May 2017, 04:53
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The guys who set up the Atrium for the yearly results announcement have already been given the rest of the year off.

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Old 2nd May 2017, 06:36
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Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
IIRC there's usually an announcement to announce the results towards the end of the first week of May with the actual figures announced mid May... So nothing unusual yet!
The last few years the results have been announced on May 10 (5 weeks), 7 (9 weeks), 8 (3 weeks) and 9 (no profit share) .

Last year the announcement of the announcement was made already on April 25th, so I agree on the observation that there will no need to dress up the HQ atrium this year.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 07:09
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Originally Posted by lospilotos View Post
There will no need to dress up the HQ atrium this year.
Cost cutting fellas! Ek is sinking like the titanic! Don't worry, you'll get your 8% raise (3% step + 5%VAT)... the checks in the mail.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 07:45
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DUNDA

With respect, and without knowing your full circumstances, discounting a potential employer based 'purely' on anonymous posts is being somewhat naive and ignorant.

These forums are an opportunity for many pilots to vent their anger and air their frustrations. You only need to look at other Worldwide threads to realise this is not unique to EK. Pilots whinge, moan and complain. Always have and always will. There is a lot of emotion on these forums, some justified, some not. Everyone's personal circumstances are unique and opinion and advice will be biased towards individual desires.

Whilst you're quite right in being judicious in your approach to the glitzy PR and hollow promises, perhaps you'd have been better speaking with individuals actually employed here. Not only might their opinion differ, but even amongst fleets, age and personal circumstances, advice will vary. There is definitely a retention and recruitment issue, no doubt about it, but that does not detract that for many, this can and still does offer a reasonable lifestyle for a decent remuneration.

I'm not disagreeing with your actual decision per say, but in the methodology in reaching that decision.


jack schidt

Internal Report was finalised several weeks ago and is being 'reviewed' by senior management before release to the general populous! How long or with what changes are recommended, both within the report and operationally, remain to be seen. We will, most likely, see those recommendations discreetly integrated into our Evidence Based Training. As we're already seeing in fact with Go arounds being the 'hot topic'.


WK

Agreed, but I will not be holding my breath for anything this year, let alone profit share.

Harry
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Old 2nd May 2017, 12:58
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Harry

I agree that purely basing a decision on information gleaned from this website could be argued as not being particularly through in terms of attention to detail. However the difficult question is what other mediums of information are available that are as easily accessible as this website, if one doesn't know anyone in the company?

If you have someone who lives in one of the far flung corners of the world relative to Dubai and knows no one in the company, then what is read here is probably going to be a very significant source of information of life as an EK pilot both on the aircraft and also whilst off it in Dubai.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 16:33
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One of my neighbours, 48 yr old 777 Captain left today to be a 2 striper FO at British Airways on the A320.!!
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Old 2nd May 2017, 17:22
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Good for him!
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Old 2nd May 2017, 18:22
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Originally Posted by Gunman returns View Post
One of my neighbours, 48 yr old 777 Captain left today to be a 2 striper FO at British Airways on the A320.!!
I'd just like to know how this is possible when there are no start dates for BA hold poolers being issued at the moment and recruitment for this year is for FPP's only?
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Old 2nd May 2017, 19:35
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Sounds like he is an FPP.

'Frustrated Purposeful Pilot'

The numbers off FPPs within EK are increasing too, which is demonstrated by the numbers departing.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 20:50
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Fatbus is about to reveal his tru colors...
starts sounding more and more like a typical EK manager looking at his last few posts...

'good for him/them' says it all....
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Old 3rd May 2017, 02:37
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Not even close ! I Don't believe all the rumours. Some of the absolute BS you hear in the car makes me laugh!

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Old 3rd May 2017, 03:29
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Originally Posted by fatbus
Some of the absolute BS you hear in the car makes me laugh!
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Old 3rd May 2017, 04:48
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No use of cribbing here. The whole EK pilot community has to stand up and demand for fair T & C. But the fact is there is no unity amongst pilots generally, even if there was a chance to form an union. Hence the EK type managers take full advantage of it. Take it or leave it !
It's obvious why they are asking a type rated pilot to signup a 50k/5 year bond. Slavery !
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