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LR3,
Point taken, but we are getting lost in semantics ...meaning we were front and center with our allies on DDay and remain in Europe to this day.
This thread was a reasonably clean fight between the Yanks & the Ozzies as a result of another silly post by Ex380 but...
...Mr Machs "friendly fire" post was below the belt...disgraceful.
Over and out from me.
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Point taken, but we are getting lost in semantics ...meaning we were front and center with our allies on DDay and remain in Europe to this day.
This thread was a reasonably clean fight between the Yanks & the Ozzies as a result of another silly post by Ex380 but...
...Mr Machs "friendly fire" post was below the belt...disgraceful.
Over and out from me.
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Us yanks stand for freedom and liberty in 'Nam, Korea and the sandpit. We have sacrifice countless lives in our mission. Of course there were collateral damage and this was acceptable in the big scheme of things.
After the USS Cole incident, one cannot be not too careful. There is a price to pay in the pursuit of freedom and liberty. All this hoo ha about this incident is ****ty noise by mischievious anals taking pot shots when they feel they can. 'Nuff said.
After the USS Cole incident, one cannot be not too careful. There is a price to pay in the pursuit of freedom and liberty. All this hoo ha about this incident is ****ty noise by mischievious anals taking pot shots when they feel they can. 'Nuff said.
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Looks like this incident is gonna bring about some mighty big fireworks in this ME forum. Let me lighten this up in response to totem's post wrt to the fight for LIBERTY in Vietnam.
This is an excerpt from a post by a young Chinese pilot in an earlier PPrune thread somewhere else:
Us yanks stand for freedom and liberty in 'Nam, Korea and the sandpit. We have sacrifice countless lives in our mission.
This is an excerpt from a post by a young Chinese pilot in an earlier PPrune thread somewhere else:
" Ha ha ha...that reminds me of my uncle's story about an American phantom jockey who knocked up a Vietnamese girl during the 60's and told the crying girl " in 9 months' time you will give birth to a lovely baby girl...name her LIBERTY in memory of this wonderful night. God bless America! The poor girl retorted in her halting English " in a few weeks you you you willll willll will have sprouted some some some home home home grown cauliflowers on your frrrront frrront front inch...call it Vietnam Rose. Viva le Vietnam and Uncle Ho! "
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Dubai police: US navy ship did not warn Indian fishermen
DUBAI: Dubai’s police chief has rejected US claims that a navy ship warned Indian fishermen to move away from it before firing and killing one of them after they failed to heed the order, media reported on Thursday.
The fisherman died and three others were wounded on Monday when the ship opened fire on their vessel near the port of Jebel Ali off Dubai in the tense waters of the southern Gulf.
The “Indian fishermen were not warned to move away by the US Navy,” General Dahi Khalfan said, according to Khaleej Times daily.
“The crew … told the Dubai police that they did not move towards the ship and instead attempted to avoid it.”
“According to our findings and testimonies of the injured, I believe that they told the truth,” the daily quoted Khalfan as saying.
DUBAI: Dubai’s police chief has rejected US claims that a navy ship warned Indian fishermen to move away from it before firing and killing one of them after they failed to heed the order, media reported on Thursday.
The fisherman died and three others were wounded on Monday when the ship opened fire on their vessel near the port of Jebel Ali off Dubai in the tense waters of the southern Gulf.
The “Indian fishermen were not warned to move away by the US Navy,” General Dahi Khalfan said, according to Khaleej Times daily.
“The crew … told the Dubai police that they did not move towards the ship and instead attempted to avoid it.”
“According to our findings and testimonies of the injured, I believe that they told the truth,” the daily quoted Khalfan as saying.
Baseless assumption.
...[QUOTE]eight RAAF F-51s ...strafed and destroyed a train carrying thousands of American and South Korean soldiers who were mistaken for a North Korean convoy ...resulting (in) 700-1000 casualties.......the Australian pilots had been assured by the United States ...that the area under attack was in North Korean hands [/QUOTE
Only as good as your command and control
I am sure over the years everyone (Aussies, yanks, poms, canuks, ruskis, Japs,the seven dwarfs, santas little helpers, the smurfs et al) has experienced or been guilty of a blue on blue incident, well maybe except the French who would have been busy surrendering or running away (tongue in cheek), could have picked a better example though... Anyhoo.....back to shooting up fishing boats!
Cheers
Only as good as your command and control
I am sure over the years everyone (Aussies, yanks, poms, canuks, ruskis, Japs,the seven dwarfs, santas little helpers, the smurfs et al) has experienced or been guilty of a blue on blue incident, well maybe except the French who would have been busy surrendering or running away (tongue in cheek), could have picked a better example though... Anyhoo.....back to shooting up fishing boats!Cheers
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I quote excerpts from the news article that i had posted before:
So General Khalfan's statement was based on the findings of the Dubai Police i.e. the fishermen were not warned by the US Navy ship.
Looks like some people do not want to accept the truth.
It is amazing how the Americans think that their "Here For Democracy" propaganda still works.
The reason why the US has "allies" is to use them as buffer states. So the idea is "we will get you before you move past our allies and get to us". What the Americans do is all based on their selfish interest which is then distorted and presented by their propaganda machinery as the "Struggle For Democracy." In return for protection, the so called "allies" are expected to present their a$$^s to the Americans for pleasure. WIN-WIN?
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The "allies" are expected to mortgage their foreign policies to the US in return for protection. So the US foreign policy actually carries extra weight because of its backing by the "allies." So it is not like the Americans don't get anything in return for keeping an arm around their bitc**s./??
Regarding WW2, British policy was to use France as a buffer state which was a partial failure. US policy was to use Britain as a buffer state which was a success. It wasn't L.O.V.E. that was guiding US policies. Just plain self-interest.
THE WORLD IS A GIANT PRISON WITH MASTERS AND BI^^HES!!!
The “Indian fishermen were not warned to move away by the US Navy,” General Dahi Khalfan said, according to Khaleej Times daily.
“The crew … told the Dubai police that they did not move towards the ship and instead attempted to avoid it.”
“According to our findings and testimonies of the injured, I believe that they told the truth,” the daily quoted Khalfan as saying.
“The crew … told the Dubai police that they did not move towards the ship and instead attempted to avoid it.”
“According to our findings and testimonies of the injured, I believe that they told the truth,” the daily quoted Khalfan as saying.
So General Khalfan's statement was based on the findings of the Dubai Police i.e. the fishermen were not warned by the US Navy ship.
Looks like some people do not want to accept the truth.
It is amazing how the Americans think that their "Here For Democracy" propaganda still works.
The reason why the US has "allies" is to use them as buffer states. So the idea is "we will get you before you move past our allies and get to us". What the Americans do is all based on their selfish interest which is then distorted and presented by their propaganda machinery as the "Struggle For Democracy." In return for protection, the so called "allies" are expected to present their a$$^s to the Americans for pleasure. WIN-WIN?
/??The "allies" are expected to mortgage their foreign policies to the US in return for protection. So the US foreign policy actually carries extra weight because of its backing by the "allies." So it is not like the Americans don't get anything in return for keeping an arm around their bitc**s.
/??Regarding WW2, British policy was to use France as a buffer state which was a partial failure. US policy was to use Britain as a buffer state which was a success. It wasn't L.O.V.E. that was guiding US policies. Just plain self-interest.
THE WORLD IS A GIANT PRISON WITH MASTERS AND BI^^HES!!!
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Let me get this straight.....
H2S04...
So...let see here...
You are basing your arguments on a Malaysian newspaper article which in turn quoted a statement made by the Dubai police which in turn was given by two locals and 3 Indians....and in ALL of that you have ascertained that this is the truth? This is the same police that blame the expat involved in the traffic accident because " If you had not been stopped at the red light then this local gentlemen would not have hit you from behind ", one "classic" you failed to quote was that locals can NEVER be wrong". How selective of you.
I guess it must be so, because newspapers NEVER post anything remotely untrue or biased to sensationalization to sell newspapers. I bet you watch Jerry Springer and think all Americans are like the guests! Watch much CNN?
You say that a "poor fisherman" should not be expected to know the rules of the US Military? How about the rules of the Iranian Military then...they have been around the gulf since time began and I'll venture a guess that the locals don't get within sight of them. I'll just use your logic then when I meander my aircraft into North Korean airspace...see what happens...because surely I can't be expected to know the ROE with the North Korean defenses...hell, I can't ever understand their language!
Hope you're on board!
So...let see here...
You are basing your arguments on a Malaysian newspaper article which in turn quoted a statement made by the Dubai police which in turn was given by two locals and 3 Indians....and in ALL of that you have ascertained that this is the truth? This is the same police that blame the expat involved in the traffic accident because " If you had not been stopped at the red light then this local gentlemen would not have hit you from behind ", one "classic" you failed to quote was that locals can NEVER be wrong". How selective of you.
I guess it must be so, because newspapers NEVER post anything remotely untrue or biased to sensationalization to sell newspapers. I bet you watch Jerry Springer and think all Americans are like the guests! Watch much CNN?
You say that a "poor fisherman" should not be expected to know the rules of the US Military? How about the rules of the Iranian Military then...they have been around the gulf since time began and I'll venture a guess that the locals don't get within sight of them. I'll just use your logic then when I meander my aircraft into North Korean airspace...see what happens...because surely I can't be expected to know the ROE with the North Korean defenses...hell, I can't ever understand their language!
Hope you're on board!
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I have even received threatening PMs from Americans.
How do you know they were Americans?
More than likely any PM's (if any, that is) were from the 'Ozzies' telling you to shut the @@## UP. After all, who needs to be ass-ociated with such a supercilious fool...
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Looks like some people do not want to accept the truth.
The Gulf has been a dangerous place continuously since the Iraq - Iran war of the eighties.
Contractors are usually ex servicemen who will usually have a lot more relevant experience and training than your average on board sailor.
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Just imagine what the police chief would have to say if these poor saps encountered Mr. R2D2 (or MK15 Phalanx CIWS) found on Navy warships as opposed to .50 cal found on this oiler.
"We have reports of a boat missing off Jebel Ali with 5 people aboard..."
Here's the land version of the Phalanx in Iraq:
"We have reports of a boat missing off Jebel Ali with 5 people aboard..."
Here's the land version of the Phalanx in Iraq:
50-75 rounds per second or 3000-4500 rounds per minute.
I just hope people learn that just because they may be able to get away with this kind of crap on SZR, it ain't gonna fly with a naval warship. The survivors were lucky they only got peppered with a mounted .50 cal. Had they encountered R2D2 (Phalanx CIWS), they would have gotten vaporized.
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