Be careful when fishing. This one has a big bite.
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Touche! Have to admit that made me smile a bit.
Still, keep looking backwards at how great you once were and enjoy your trillions of debt (how much of that is to the Chinese), awesome healthcare system, gun control and yada yada yada
Cheers
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My theory of why there's so much America-obsession laced critisism among the ranks of Ozzies, Brits, and Kiwis is that there was so much young American GI DNA deposited (and willingly accepted) into their domestic gene pools during the 1941-45 war years that now courses through their veins and they live with the frustration of not being able to just come right out and say or obtain secretly-harbored desires; to own a Colt .45 if they want to, to grab a Maccas Big Mac and eat it while driving an SUV and not care a rat's butt what the neighbours think, and to be able to look up at the moon and say to themselves "Yup, we went there..a bunch of times".<BR><BR>So my fellow Americans, hold a smidgen of pity for the holier-than-thou when they go into their "We are responsible citizens of the world and are a blessing for the unwashed when we are abroad, not you, you provincials" or "We know more about your country than you do" modes. Don't get mad when they lash out from the cognitive dissonance created by the American DNA in their systems because it's actually a form of attention-seeking and compensation for the self-loathing any bastard child would feel. So instead of getting mad, just remember that no matter whether at home or in whatever corner of the world they try to retreat to, Coca-Cola and the moon are there too, laughing at them for you</FONT></P>
Still, keep looking backwards at how great you once were and enjoy your trillions of debt (how much of that is to the Chinese), awesome healthcare system, gun control and yada yada yada
Cheers
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Cheers
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Yup. I have an idea of how those "invites" are obtained.
When those "invites" don't come along, the absence of democracy in these un-inviting countries suddenly becomes an issue. Suddenly the dictators cease to be legitimate leaders. All of a sudden former allies turn into foes. And then lies are spread around to justify illegal military campaigns.
On the other hand, sky is the limit for the ambitions of a friendly dictator. They are allowed to loot their own countries with impunity. Even genocides are looked over.
The events of these days actually show that for some people, a friendly dictator was much more desirable than a democratically elected government that disagrees with them. That is because the dictator was letting them in to his country for some "snacks" while the democratic government wants to keep the "snacks" for its own citizens.
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The thief won't kill the watchman if he leaves the door open for him. If not then ..........
@BeCareful
Where did i say that i am considering only one side of the story? If somebody is providing a point of view, is it ok to assume that he/she has decided not to consider other angles of approach?
Anyways, from your point of view the list of "the discredited" should now include:
1) Dubai Police
2) Various newspapers
3) The fishermen who were on the scene
4) H2SO4
Who else?
Or maybe it will be lesser work to just fill in the blank below.
Everybody is liar except ............(?)
Don't get me wrong the US has vast interests too, but let's not pretend the US is just sailing around in others waters with no prior invite..
When those "invites" don't come along, the absence of democracy in these un-inviting countries suddenly becomes an issue. Suddenly the dictators cease to be legitimate leaders. All of a sudden former allies turn into foes. And then lies are spread around to justify illegal military campaigns.
On the other hand, sky is the limit for the ambitions of a friendly dictator. They are allowed to loot their own countries with impunity. Even genocides are looked over.
The events of these days actually show that for some people, a friendly dictator was much more desirable than a democratically elected government that disagrees with them. That is because the dictator was letting them in to his country for some "snacks" while the democratic government wants to keep the "snacks" for its own citizens.
____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____
The thief won't kill the watchman if he leaves the door open for him. If not then ..........
@BeCareful
all due respect to General Khalfan, but when you say you interviewed one side only, and you believe their version without so much as taking into account that there are two sides, let alone looking into the other side... you just lost all credibility.
Anyways, from your point of view the list of "the discredited" should now include:
1) Dubai Police
2) Various newspapers
3) The fishermen who were on the scene
4) H2SO4
Who else?
Or maybe it will be lesser work to just fill in the blank below.
Everybody is liar except ............(?)
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H2,
I think the point is the Dubai police chief only spoke to one side and all of your various articles thereafter represent the chiefs investigation, or lack there of. I also know its pretty rare for the US military to just go around blowing boats out of the water fo no reason.
You would be really screaming if the US just went out and destroyed every country you perceive to be bad. You and I both know things are far more complicated than that. Again the US like any country will look after the interests of themselves first. Australia doesnt go out and work for thailands behalf. Humans whether in government or in general will work first for there own behaves and if it's not too inconvenient or doesnt affect there life's too much will then tackle others problems. Human nature is human nature doesn't matter where your from that's the way it is and will be.
I think the point is the Dubai police chief only spoke to one side and all of your various articles thereafter represent the chiefs investigation, or lack there of. I also know its pretty rare for the US military to just go around blowing boats out of the water fo no reason.
You would be really screaming if the US just went out and destroyed every country you perceive to be bad. You and I both know things are far more complicated than that. Again the US like any country will look after the interests of themselves first. Australia doesnt go out and work for thailands behalf. Humans whether in government or in general will work first for there own behaves and if it's not too inconvenient or doesnt affect there life's too much will then tackle others problems. Human nature is human nature doesn't matter where your from that's the way it is and will be.
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Many cruise liners now carry 'Security warning KEEP AWAY XXX METERS' on large banners for all to see. Regardless of the language spoken and any maritime law applicable, in any stretch of water it hopefully reads 'board my vessel and you will fall overboard' Armed only with 'fire hoses' and to make potential threats think twice.
In any language, big and grey and flying any military power flag, you will be fired on if they feel threatened and you do not answer their call.
There are many ways to attract the attention of a warship, VHF or not if you need assistance, they will assist.
Warships, support vessel or Battleships tend to be easy to spot.
Right or wrong, it is a bit like chancing your luck when you hear 'Armed Police' stop running!'
In any language, big and grey and flying any military power flag, you will be fired on if they feel threatened and you do not answer their call.
There are many ways to attract the attention of a warship, VHF or not if you need assistance, they will assist.
Warships, support vessel or Battleships tend to be easy to spot.
Right or wrong, it is a bit like chancing your luck when you hear 'Armed Police' stop running!'
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Did I call them liars?
But let's take it from the top, shall we?
Survivors - in this part of the world, would an Indian EVER admit to a mistake that cost someone their life? How about the two locals? Would they say:
a) we were goofing off and played chicken with them by trying to get right in front of them.... a'la SZR, but on the water.
b) why should we pay attention, and in any case, what's the worst thing they could do to us in our own country?
c) They never warned us. We were peaceful fishermen and they lit us up without any warning and for no reason.
How about Dubai Police Chief and the justice system in this lovely paradise...
If you're parked at the red light and a local hits you (expat) from behind, I'll give you two guesses whose fault it's automatically gonna be, and it ain't gonna be the boy's in white dish-dash.
Justice system in Dubai? How about the IKEA case? 1 month for damn near killing two expats over a damn table? Let's say the situations were reversed and it was Canadians beating up a pregnant Emirati woman and her husband? Shall we say... 20 years minimum? Firing squad? Nothing would surprise me.
This Police Chief goes and interviews the survivors and solely based on a shot-up boat, one dead guy and the local testimony, he is CONVINCED they are right.
Newspapers? Let's see... a Police Chief issues a statement and they all carry it over. They're doing their job and reporting. Did you notice a statement by the US Navy last week with illustrated positions and timeline of events along with position of the boat as this tragedy unfolded? It fit the suicide bomber profile, and I'm sure you'll agree there is plenty of precedent in the past decade of similar events, mostly on land, but also at sea - remember USS Cole?
Now... the easiest thing in the world is to sit back, just how we are now, and beat this topic to death having all the time in the world to sip on a cold one, have dinner, go to the movies, come back and decide you'll write your reply in the morning, etc. Put yourself in the shoes of the Rappahannock's skipper. What do you do? You have a boat doing 25 knots or so charging right at you... not behind you (think basic rules of the road), but straight at you and ahead of you - per their statements. The contact is not responding to anything and keeps charging at you. This is all the information you have, and now you have to make a decision... in this day and age of suicide bombers, precedent of such actions, geographical part of the world.... what decision do you make?
Before you answer that... what decision do you as a pilot (assuming you are one) make or hope to make every time? I sure hope it's the most conservative and the safest course of action for your aircraft and your crew. Well, the Rappahannock did exactly that.
Now, perhaps the crew hasn't driven on SZR to see that it's equivalent to playing Grand Theft Auto 4 except in real life.
Also, why isn't there a major outcry of the UAE government about the US Navy shooting? Why isn't the UAE government kicking out all American military out of the UAE in protest, like they did with the Canadians.
Something tells me they know what really happened, and it would be a major loss of face... so for now, it'll get settled with "apologies, expressions of regret, etc" and that's about it, and I think that'll be all there is to say about it.
Was it a tragic accident? Yes. Are there guilty parties to this? I think so... Do I think it's the US Navy? Based on experience and what I've seen and heard so far, I sincerely doubt it. Will we ever get an Emirati and an Indian to admit they also made a tragic mistake and exercised a huge lapse of judgment? I'll let you answer that one.
But let's take it from the top, shall we?
Survivors - in this part of the world, would an Indian EVER admit to a mistake that cost someone their life? How about the two locals? Would they say:
a) we were goofing off and played chicken with them by trying to get right in front of them.... a'la SZR, but on the water.
b) why should we pay attention, and in any case, what's the worst thing they could do to us in our own country?
c) They never warned us. We were peaceful fishermen and they lit us up without any warning and for no reason.
How about Dubai Police Chief and the justice system in this lovely paradise...
If you're parked at the red light and a local hits you (expat) from behind, I'll give you two guesses whose fault it's automatically gonna be, and it ain't gonna be the boy's in white dish-dash.
Justice system in Dubai? How about the IKEA case? 1 month for damn near killing two expats over a damn table? Let's say the situations were reversed and it was Canadians beating up a pregnant Emirati woman and her husband? Shall we say... 20 years minimum? Firing squad? Nothing would surprise me.
This Police Chief goes and interviews the survivors and solely based on a shot-up boat, one dead guy and the local testimony, he is CONVINCED they are right.
Newspapers? Let's see... a Police Chief issues a statement and they all carry it over. They're doing their job and reporting. Did you notice a statement by the US Navy last week with illustrated positions and timeline of events along with position of the boat as this tragedy unfolded? It fit the suicide bomber profile, and I'm sure you'll agree there is plenty of precedent in the past decade of similar events, mostly on land, but also at sea - remember USS Cole?
Now... the easiest thing in the world is to sit back, just how we are now, and beat this topic to death having all the time in the world to sip on a cold one, have dinner, go to the movies, come back and decide you'll write your reply in the morning, etc. Put yourself in the shoes of the Rappahannock's skipper. What do you do? You have a boat doing 25 knots or so charging right at you... not behind you (think basic rules of the road), but straight at you and ahead of you - per their statements. The contact is not responding to anything and keeps charging at you. This is all the information you have, and now you have to make a decision... in this day and age of suicide bombers, precedent of such actions, geographical part of the world.... what decision do you make?
Before you answer that... what decision do you as a pilot (assuming you are one) make or hope to make every time? I sure hope it's the most conservative and the safest course of action for your aircraft and your crew. Well, the Rappahannock did exactly that.
Now, perhaps the crew hasn't driven on SZR to see that it's equivalent to playing Grand Theft Auto 4 except in real life.
Also, why isn't there a major outcry of the UAE government about the US Navy shooting? Why isn't the UAE government kicking out all American military out of the UAE in protest, like they did with the Canadians.
Something tells me they know what really happened, and it would be a major loss of face... so for now, it'll get settled with "apologies, expressions of regret, etc" and that's about it, and I think that'll be all there is to say about it.
Was it a tragic accident? Yes. Are there guilty parties to this? I think so... Do I think it's the US Navy? Based on experience and what I've seen and heard so far, I sincerely doubt it. Will we ever get an Emirati and an Indian to admit they also made a tragic mistake and exercised a huge lapse of judgment? I'll let you answer that one.
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Martin Bryant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Remember this ******? The aussie that killed 35 skips?
ANYWAY.........
Be proud of your penal colony and don't let other countries make you feel insecure.
Remember this ******? The aussie that killed 35 skips?
ANYWAY.........
Be proud of your penal colony and don't let other countries make you feel insecure.
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I only feel insecure when countries with overwhelming fire power go into other sovereign states without permission and use that power.
You seem to be the only one that isn't happy. I don't even know why you are so upset, it doesn't personally effect you one bit. It actually benefits you. It makes your EK job stable. Especially be happy if you have children in school or own property in Dubai. Be glad Boeing and Raytheon are building missile defense systems. UAE can't/couldn't defend itself alone from Iran or Iraq back in Gulf War I.
UAE isn't even your country. You are a guest in the UAE. Only people that have any right to voice their opinion on UAE/US relations are the Emiratis.
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Yes ex 380, because people who go on mass killing sprees obey laws
ask Norway how that gun law worked out.
I imagine if everybody in the theatre was packing a weapon, there is a good chance he would have directed his craziness in another direction..
And most Americans agree that going into Iraq was b.s.. We will be paying for it for a hundred years... I just hope we learned, but skeptical of the short memories people have these days..
ask Norway how that gun law worked out. I imagine if everybody in the theatre was packing a weapon, there is a good chance he would have directed his craziness in another direction..And most Americans agree that going into Iraq was b.s.. We will be paying for it for a hundred years... I just hope we learned, but skeptical of the short memories people have these days..
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This post is appropriate to ME forum, as it contains information about the area we are living in - and flying over...
That replenishement boat USNS Rappahannock (T-AO-204) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (from not the real US Navy, but instead something like the British Royal Auxilairy Fleet, support vessels) could have been looking like a civilian ship in the Gulf haze (yes, 44°C, not the best visibility conditions out at sea, for those who sail) and so those poor fishermen may not have been immediately aware of what was going to happen.
Lights and horns are one thing, sometimes not so efficient against some boats with a sleeping crew (I used to be in the Navy and have some personal memories) Best thing is still shooting .50 or 20 mm guns in front of the converging traffic. It usually makes huge geysers, this time noticiable even to the most idiotic crew member.
No need to shoot immediately on target.. but we all know, or should know, how trigger-happy those Yanks are (in fact, both terms are becoming synonimous)
Just ask the Brits in Iraq, the Canucks in Afghanistan, the French inhabitants of Calais bombed because USAF did not want to come back to England with bombs, and for those who say it's the price other nations have to pay to be "protected" just look at
USN F-14 shoots down USAF RF-4C | Jetcareers
1994 Black Hawk shootdown incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
so they even manage to do it by themselves...
Yes, every Air Force or Army does make mistakes, but it's just those ones which are becoming too common - something to do with their gun culture, their ultra-violent movies with no talking, just shooting ?? ! ??
Anyway, a good thread, as we all have various opinions...
That replenishement boat USNS Rappahannock (T-AO-204) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (from not the real US Navy, but instead something like the British Royal Auxilairy Fleet, support vessels) could have been looking like a civilian ship in the Gulf haze (yes, 44°C, not the best visibility conditions out at sea, for those who sail) and so those poor fishermen may not have been immediately aware of what was going to happen.
Lights and horns are one thing, sometimes not so efficient against some boats with a sleeping crew (I used to be in the Navy and have some personal memories) Best thing is still shooting .50 or 20 mm guns in front of the converging traffic. It usually makes huge geysers, this time noticiable even to the most idiotic crew member.
No need to shoot immediately on target.. but we all know, or should know, how trigger-happy those Yanks are (in fact, both terms are becoming synonimous)
Just ask the Brits in Iraq, the Canucks in Afghanistan, the French inhabitants of Calais bombed because USAF did not want to come back to England with bombs, and for those who say it's the price other nations have to pay to be "protected" just look at
USN F-14 shoots down USAF RF-4C | Jetcareers
1994 Black Hawk shootdown incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
so they even manage to do it by themselves...
Yes, every Air Force or Army does make mistakes, but it's just those ones which are becoming too common - something to do with their gun culture, their ultra-violent movies with no talking, just shooting ?? ! ??
Anyway, a good thread, as we all have various opinions...
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Ex,
Look at the stats for states with concealed weapons laws. Crime in states with free gun laws and large gun ownership have less violent crime. Violent crime deaths in the US are actually down. Again, your missing the point. People who do these kinds of things don't care about your gun laws, drug laws, theft laws, they kill people, which last time I checked is against the law.
The great thing about stats is you can find one to back any argument. At some point logic needs to come into play. Do you think someone who is willing to kill some one is going to let a little ink on a piece of paper stop him?
The politicians are going to use this as a way to manipulate and pander for votes, it is going to be at the forefront of all political rhetoric now, because it evokes high emotional reaction and is easy to use as a distraction from economic and other important issues they don't want to deal with. Humans are easy to manipulate using fear, whether it be from a 1 - 37000000 chance of being shot in a movie theatre or losing the right to bear arms. Disregarding the 1 - 3000 chance of dying in a care accident. People just don't think rationally, we are emotional and politicians know it. Look up the odds of dying in a violent crime vs driving and you will understand what I'm talking about.
Rein,
I notice you dig hard to find the poor performances, but leave out two very recent rescues of Iranian fishermen by those trigger happy yanks...
Last time I checked there was still wars going on, so I would expect there will be more issues with friendly fire as this isn't just Americans going around shooting their guns in the air at everything that moves. War isn't perfect, could you please sight a war where allies didn't kill each other accidentally.
Look at the stats for states with concealed weapons laws. Crime in states with free gun laws and large gun ownership have less violent crime. Violent crime deaths in the US are actually down. Again, your missing the point. People who do these kinds of things don't care about your gun laws, drug laws, theft laws, they kill people, which last time I checked is against the law.
The great thing about stats is you can find one to back any argument. At some point logic needs to come into play. Do you think someone who is willing to kill some one is going to let a little ink on a piece of paper stop him?
The politicians are going to use this as a way to manipulate and pander for votes, it is going to be at the forefront of all political rhetoric now, because it evokes high emotional reaction and is easy to use as a distraction from economic and other important issues they don't want to deal with. Humans are easy to manipulate using fear, whether it be from a 1 - 37000000 chance of being shot in a movie theatre or losing the right to bear arms. Disregarding the 1 - 3000 chance of dying in a care accident. People just don't think rationally, we are emotional and politicians know it. Look up the odds of dying in a violent crime vs driving and you will understand what I'm talking about.
Rein,
I notice you dig hard to find the poor performances, but leave out two very recent rescues of Iranian fishermen by those trigger happy yanks...
Last time I checked there was still wars going on, so I would expect there will be more issues with friendly fire as this isn't just Americans going around shooting their guns in the air at everything that moves. War isn't perfect, could you please sight a war where allies didn't kill each other accidentally.
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A fishing vessel attacked by a naval vessel from a distant country? Imagine that happening off the coast of say... any other country in the world?
The Navy was definitely 'trigger-happy' and there is no doubt they are seeking some excuse to turn this region of the world (as someone put it) ''into a big glass crater''. That is the mentality.
The USN has no right to attack any vessel approaching it in International waters unless it poses a threat to the safety of their ship. This was not the case. It's rarely the case with the USN. Remember the fabricated story about the 'Gulf of Tonkin' attack on a USN vessel? Well... it was the excuse to start the Vietnam War which by the way is still causing death, disease and harm to the vietnamese people 50 years later. The attack never happened if you are unaware of that fact.
The USA has exceeded the tolerance of most nations around the world. That worries me. They just don't comprehend that the world has changed and the 'good-will' of nations towards their antics has evaporated. Sadly they still have the most powerful military and although the US media pretends it is full of 'heroes', it is not. The US military machine is full of people unable to find employment otherwise.
(abu ghraib, the specifically designed Guantanamo Bay torture prison, secret CIA torture locations, drone attacks on innocent civilians, phosphorous weapon use that is outlawed by the UN, outlandish assertions of WMD's for nations not sympathetic to the US cause, Israeli control and influence of policy, etc.) The place is a mess on all accounts. Let's not even get into the Financial Industry which is intimately involved in the destruction of the USA.
Whether it was 'Beaker' killing people in a movie theatre, or 1 in 7 forced to be on food stamps, or an impotent manufacturing industry (other than weapons), or Health Care, or equality, or obesity, or whatever should be most important to human-beings.. it has all gone all wrong. Every six months there is another horrifying instance of someone 'losing it' and going on a killing rampage in the USA> Yet the politicians use the event to appear sympathetic and compassionate... WHILE DOING NOTHING... to address the underlying causes. I guess that is predictable when Congress is purchased by those who have the financial resources. When did common sense and morality leave the otherwise enviable attributes of Americans? Does it just boil down to ignorance and manipulation of the masses?
As far as past history, the USA only entered WW2 (the most morally justified war since 1776) more than 2 years after the rest of the world was fighting. The bloody Russians did more to win that war than the USA and by a long shot. But since that is politically incorrect in the minds of people who believe Hollywood BS, I probably shouldn't mention it.
Do I have to mention the 10+ unjustified wars that the USA has started in the past 60 years to prove my point? Funny how they never seem to win any of them in spite of the best technology and a culture designed to promote that industry.
War is coming to the ME, you can bet the farm on that one. And that should concern everyone still living there.
The Navy was definitely 'trigger-happy' and there is no doubt they are seeking some excuse to turn this region of the world (as someone put it) ''into a big glass crater''. That is the mentality.
The USN has no right to attack any vessel approaching it in International waters unless it poses a threat to the safety of their ship. This was not the case. It's rarely the case with the USN. Remember the fabricated story about the 'Gulf of Tonkin' attack on a USN vessel? Well... it was the excuse to start the Vietnam War which by the way is still causing death, disease and harm to the vietnamese people 50 years later. The attack never happened if you are unaware of that fact.
The USA has exceeded the tolerance of most nations around the world. That worries me. They just don't comprehend that the world has changed and the 'good-will' of nations towards their antics has evaporated. Sadly they still have the most powerful military and although the US media pretends it is full of 'heroes', it is not. The US military machine is full of people unable to find employment otherwise.
(abu ghraib, the specifically designed Guantanamo Bay torture prison, secret CIA torture locations, drone attacks on innocent civilians, phosphorous weapon use that is outlawed by the UN, outlandish assertions of WMD's for nations not sympathetic to the US cause, Israeli control and influence of policy, etc.) The place is a mess on all accounts. Let's not even get into the Financial Industry which is intimately involved in the destruction of the USA.
Whether it was 'Beaker' killing people in a movie theatre, or 1 in 7 forced to be on food stamps, or an impotent manufacturing industry (other than weapons), or Health Care, or equality, or obesity, or whatever should be most important to human-beings.. it has all gone all wrong. Every six months there is another horrifying instance of someone 'losing it' and going on a killing rampage in the USA> Yet the politicians use the event to appear sympathetic and compassionate... WHILE DOING NOTHING... to address the underlying causes. I guess that is predictable when Congress is purchased by those who have the financial resources. When did common sense and morality leave the otherwise enviable attributes of Americans? Does it just boil down to ignorance and manipulation of the masses?
As far as past history, the USA only entered WW2 (the most morally justified war since 1776) more than 2 years after the rest of the world was fighting. The bloody Russians did more to win that war than the USA and by a long shot. But since that is politically incorrect in the minds of people who believe Hollywood BS, I probably shouldn't mention it.
Do I have to mention the 10+ unjustified wars that the USA has started in the past 60 years to prove my point? Funny how they never seem to win any of them in spite of the best technology and a culture designed to promote that industry.
War is coming to the ME, you can bet the farm on that one. And that should concern everyone still living there.
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Sittinggidly,
As an american, i agree with all aspects of your argument. Unfortunately, it is a continous trend that is spiralling downhill fast.
I just want to say that it is a failure of politicians that lead us to the ongoing death spiral of wars and mass killings. Regardless, the people that suffer are the poor and downtrodden who have no other option but to join the military in an effort to get out of their current environment.
Regardless, i am also a proud American that realizes that opportunities of life in America is very free and very enjoyable. As numerous people have told me, Americans seem to be very friendly and very open. I have lived throughout the world, and i would never want to live anywhere else. You have no idea how many cabin crew tell me why are you in Dubai if you are from the states. Exact quote from a sales person from DG Sharaff..." i wish i can go to america."
I am a little bias but i recently read an article that america came in first in a rank of places that people want to move to for a better life. We must be doing something right.
thank you,
snookie
As an american, i agree with all aspects of your argument. Unfortunately, it is a continous trend that is spiralling downhill fast.
I just want to say that it is a failure of politicians that lead us to the ongoing death spiral of wars and mass killings. Regardless, the people that suffer are the poor and downtrodden who have no other option but to join the military in an effort to get out of their current environment.
Regardless, i am also a proud American that realizes that opportunities of life in America is very free and very enjoyable. As numerous people have told me, Americans seem to be very friendly and very open. I have lived throughout the world, and i would never want to live anywhere else. You have no idea how many cabin crew tell me why are you in Dubai if you are from the states. Exact quote from a sales person from DG Sharaff..." i wish i can go to america."
I am a little bias but i recently read an article that america came in first in a rank of places that people want to move to for a better life. We must be doing something right.
thank you,
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@BeCareful
I am quoting excerpts from your posts on this thread.
Do you have something personal against the Emiratis, the Indians or anybody else? If not then why the insults and the stereo-typing? In case it is really possible for you to generalize about large population sets, then maybe you are on the cusp of a break-through in the field of cultural anthropology. Congratulations!!!
So just because there was an attack on a US vessel, innocent people are to be killed on mere suspicion to prevent a recurrence?
Going by that logic, the next time a policeman sees a guy with a gun, he should put a bullet in the head of that guy without issuing any warning or making attempts to ascertain his intentions. Or maybe even the possession of a weapon is not a condition!:
Man shot in terror hunt was innocent young Brazilian | UK news | The Observer
Man shot in terror hunt was innocent young Brazilian
Do you see a pattern? Aggressive countries meddling into the affairs of other countries, getting hit back by terrorists and then innocent people losing their lives due to an undesirable state of heightened tensions. The existence of the present state of tension can be attributed in big part to the interference of US in the affairs of other countries. Why should the whole world have to pay the price for that?
Because then UAE would be added to the list of the "Axis of Evil" and the arm twisting would start.
Jingoism and glorification of death are some of the prime reasons for the dilution of moral code in the US foreign policy. People with a somewhat similar mind set as yours have risen to powerful positions and that is a cause of concern.
I am quoting excerpts from your posts on this thread.
It was a habibi-owned boat, and they complained after being stupid that the trigger happy Yanks opened up on them with a .50 cal. Do you really expect Dubai police to EVER call locals on their bullsh*t antics especially when the other side is not local? PUHLEEZ.... can't have a habibi lose face.
Anyone who lives in the UAE knows that Indians and Emiratis will NEVER EVER admit to being wrong... can't lose face... let's not even go into Indian competence... remember habibi, cheaper is better.
in this part of the world, would an Indian EVER admit to a mistake that cost someone their life? How about the two locals?
Will we ever get an Emirati and an Indian to admit they also made a tragic mistake and exercised a huge lapse of judgment? I'll let you answer that one.
and I'm sure you'll agree there is plenty of precedent in the past decade of similar events, mostly on land, but also at sea - remember USS Cole?
Going by that logic, the next time a policeman sees a guy with a gun, he should put a bullet in the head of that guy without issuing any warning or making attempts to ascertain his intentions. Or maybe even the possession of a weapon is not a condition!:
Man shot in terror hunt was innocent young Brazilian | UK news | The Observer
Man shot in terror hunt was innocent young Brazilian
Do you see a pattern? Aggressive countries meddling into the affairs of other countries, getting hit back by terrorists and then innocent people losing their lives due to an undesirable state of heightened tensions. The existence of the present state of tension can be attributed in big part to the interference of US in the affairs of other countries. Why should the whole world have to pay the price for that?
Also, why isn't there a major outcry of the UAE government about the US Navy shooting? Why isn't the UAE government kicking out all American military out of the UAE in protest, like they did with the Canadians.
I just hope people learn that just because they may be able to get away with this kind of crap on SZR, it ain't gonna fly with a naval warship. The survivors were lucky they only got peppered with a mounted .50 cal. Had they encountered R2D2 (Phalanx CIWS), they would have gotten vaporized.