Profit - but you got to work more!!
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According to "Capt. America" I understand that the increase in AD's was a compromise between certain management levels to prevent the furloughing of the bottom 100 pilots from the seniority list. Apparently its a small price to pay ! What f@@kin planet is this complete t@@t on ? He has obviously been playing golf with Capt Ed again - must have got his golf ball stuck up Ed's arse !
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dofus...spot on. How dare B M suggest 100 guys/girls would be furloughed. What evidence does he have to support this? How dare he put the frighteners on the 100 most junior Pilot's in the Company without backing up his supposed inside information. He should be held in utter contempt by the pilot community. As if he hasn't done enough damage already......
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Can someone draw me a logic line showing how 2000 pilots working more days each month will make it easier for the company not to be forced to lay off 100 pilots? In my twisted logic, (which I admit may be flawed), it would seem at first glance - (unless the people on ADs are not to be used) - that making everyone work more days each month would make the lay offs more likely.
Sory BM, but when I saw the source of your message, I (apparently like quite a few others) discounted its contents immediately. Your reputation as a one-eyed, brown nosed company apologist precedes you.
Sory BM, but when I saw the source of your message, I (apparently like quite a few others) discounted its contents immediately. Your reputation as a one-eyed, brown nosed company apologist precedes you.
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Andu,
The only thing i can think of is that the policy is put in place to handle the coming deliveries of new airplanes. The most recent range number I have heard is it is now going to 12-17 for 2009.
By utilising the current pilots to the fullest extent perhaps they will mitigate the need to hire more and thus save money - purely my own speculation.
I would be very angry indeed with the latest concession imposed on us if it were not for the fact that FedEx and Delta are furloughing as stated in the official company email.
(p.s. I have friends at both who say it's news to them - as of today at least)
Perhaps the writer of that completely false statement will have the integrity to rescind and apologise to all its recipients for this inaccuracy.
Gents, the fact is - the current economic environment is very challenging and while the company did well we shared in the spoils so there is a side to me that wants to help.
However asking people to sacrifice while providing false or speculative information on other companies is wrong and undermines the credibility and pretext for the policy change even if is it legit.
A tad amateur.
f.
The only thing i can think of is that the policy is put in place to handle the coming deliveries of new airplanes. The most recent range number I have heard is it is now going to 12-17 for 2009.
By utilising the current pilots to the fullest extent perhaps they will mitigate the need to hire more and thus save money - purely my own speculation.
I would be very angry indeed with the latest concession imposed on us if it were not for the fact that FedEx and Delta are furloughing as stated in the official company email.
(p.s. I have friends at both who say it's news to them - as of today at least)
Perhaps the writer of that completely false statement will have the integrity to rescind and apologise to all its recipients for this inaccuracy.
Gents, the fact is - the current economic environment is very challenging and while the company did well we shared in the spoils so there is a side to me that wants to help.
However asking people to sacrifice while providing false or speculative information on other companies is wrong and undermines the credibility and pretext for the policy change even if is it legit.
A tad amateur.
f.
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I am quite disgusted by the people surrounding us.
The two bosses are blatantly telling lies, just to give their stupid changes a fig leaf. Beeing so obviously false, these lies only uncover their character deficiencies.
And then their spit-bowl-holder BM ....
-> supplemental AD iso day-off to save a buddy's job?????
Another one on the list of no-go for private flights.
EK managers and bowl-holders:
If you decide to put some more crap upon us, at least be men and have the decency of telling in our faces that you wanted so and why.
Open declared war has always been the honorable thing, terrorism hasn't
The two bosses are blatantly telling lies, just to give their stupid changes a fig leaf. Beeing so obviously false, these lies only uncover their character deficiencies.
And then their spit-bowl-holder BM ....
-> supplemental AD iso day-off to save a buddy's job?????
Another one on the list of no-go for private flights.
EK managers and bowl-holders:
If you decide to put some more crap upon us, at least be men and have the decency of telling in our faces that you wanted so and why.
Open declared war has always been the honorable thing, terrorism hasn't
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Check out the EK Yahoo email groups and you will see BM's email response and his "inside information " as to the reason behind the increase in AD's on the rosters. He knows all the wrong people in all the right places !
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Ok here it is. Edited only to comply with forum rules.
Me thinks that our talking horse is actually two clowns in a horse costume. Ed is the talking mouth and BM (ANA) Capt. America (ANA) Tartan guy the talking Ar_e.
On his road to stardom he gets my vote for the Golden Najm with chairmans award and bar for having the thickest skin. This is one sad mupppet who just doesn't get it.
Rumor has it the AD days for the next couple of months were a compromise between certain levels of management to prevent the furloughing of the bottom 100 pilots.
Seems like a small price to pay so guys can continue to feed their families.... ....
BM
Staff No. somewhere between 322826 and 322824
Seems like a small price to pay so guys can continue to feed their families.... ....
BM
Staff No. somewhere between 322826 and 322824
On his road to stardom he gets my vote for the Golden Najm with chairmans award and bar for having the thickest skin. This is one sad mupppet who just doesn't get it.
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Girls Girls,
This new policy is PURE punishment for our ASRs and forcing the company's hand in regard to rest facilities and policies. It defies logic and makes no sense whatsoever-so what else could it be?
Capt. A says it is to prevent furloughs. Bulls't. We may be overmanned but aircraft continue to come, recruitment is making noise, and frequencies to profitable cities will increase. So if we furlough a hundred or so guys it would have been for a short time, they would have to move them out of accommodations, revoke their visas, send them home and then a few months later, rehire them, do their visas again and ramp up their training.
What difference does it make if we have 12 days of or 20 days off if we fly the hours demanded? What difference does it make if we add 5 days to leave or 12 days, as long as we fly and are credited with appropriate hours?
Logic is lost on our perfumed princes in the new puzzle palace. They out and out LIED about Delta and FedEx furoughing pilots. Delta is in fact looking at hiring this year. This is a move by a small minded management to show us who remains in charge. AS and Mr. Ed know this and their hands are tied and this shows how little effect they have on policy.
PUNISHMENT, gentlemen, plain and simple. "We'll show those uppity pilots who really is in charge."
The sh## bucket is now filled. And to think I once defended and promoted this company. Alternatives are being looked at.
This new policy is PURE punishment for our ASRs and forcing the company's hand in regard to rest facilities and policies. It defies logic and makes no sense whatsoever-so what else could it be?
Capt. A says it is to prevent furloughs. Bulls't. We may be overmanned but aircraft continue to come, recruitment is making noise, and frequencies to profitable cities will increase. So if we furlough a hundred or so guys it would have been for a short time, they would have to move them out of accommodations, revoke their visas, send them home and then a few months later, rehire them, do their visas again and ramp up their training.
What difference does it make if we have 12 days of or 20 days off if we fly the hours demanded? What difference does it make if we add 5 days to leave or 12 days, as long as we fly and are credited with appropriate hours?
Logic is lost on our perfumed princes in the new puzzle palace. They out and out LIED about Delta and FedEx furoughing pilots. Delta is in fact looking at hiring this year. This is a move by a small minded management to show us who remains in charge. AS and Mr. Ed know this and their hands are tied and this shows how little effect they have on policy.
PUNISHMENT, gentlemen, plain and simple. "We'll show those uppity pilots who really is in charge."
The sh## bucket is now filled. And to think I once defended and promoted this company. Alternatives are being looked at.
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and loving it...99
Panther and fatbus you are spot on. And if you go back you'll see that this entire situation was correctly predicted by Gulf News in the crew rest laughable thread.
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/35...ughable-3.html
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/35...ughable-3.html
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Emirates have made many changes to working conditions over the years (most of them for the worst) however this one has blown all of the others out of the water. It is a PATHETIC way by the managers and their sidekicks (yes that includes you BM) to exert control over us and to remind us that if we complain about safety issues i.e the crew rest they can and will scr
w us as much as they like.
I am sure most of us appreciate the need to help out in these economic times but this new rule does not make one bit of difference to productivity it only serves to alianate the pilot group which if the company are trying to save money is a really bad idea. Direct routings,optimum levels, OFP fuel, no reverse, single engine taxi why Fuking bother?????
w us as much as they like.I am sure most of us appreciate the need to help out in these economic times but this new rule does not make one bit of difference to productivity it only serves to alianate the pilot group which if the company are trying to save money is a really bad idea. Direct routings,optimum levels, OFP fuel, no reverse, single engine taxi why Fu
king bother?????
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OK so there are rumblings about unpaid leave , how all the airlines are laying off pilots etc. However recruitment is still on going.!!!
So we will continue to worsen the pilots conditions ( using the global downturn as a perfect excuse ( yet we are still profitable) , paycuts etc are all possibilites). If the pilots leave , we have many more in the pipeline..
We will trim trim trim the their package , we have the upper hand and we know it.
Hold on boys , its going to get a lot worse. Remember all these amendments to our contracts were done during the good times. The bad times have truly arrived. We have absouloutely no recourse , apart from a memories like elephants for when the good times come back . ...and they will.
Greed caused this in the first place and Greed will destroy this Airline too.
Just watch , even from a distance. Boooooom the bubble will burst !!
So we will continue to worsen the pilots conditions ( using the global downturn as a perfect excuse ( yet we are still profitable) , paycuts etc are all possibilites). If the pilots leave , we have many more in the pipeline..
We will trim trim trim the their package , we have the upper hand and we know it.
Hold on boys , its going to get a lot worse. Remember all these amendments to our contracts were done during the good times. The bad times have truly arrived. We have absouloutely no recourse , apart from a memories like elephants for when the good times come back . ...and they will.
Greed caused this in the first place and Greed will destroy this Airline too.
Just watch , even from a distance. Boooooom the bubble will burst !!
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Well everyone, I can't agree more with all the posts, but there is one thing that everyone is forgetting, and so is EK management. The airplanes are still coming and they will need to fill these seats. In my honest opinion, and I am sure many will disagree, we do have one major benefit that will help us in the long run, and they have made no secrets about it. Most of our applications are from North America and particularly the US. Now as to completely get my ass chewed on here I am sure, I am from the US, and I know one thing for sure, Americans value quality of life!!! I am pretty sure they won't get all the furloughed mainline guys they think are going to come flocking over here, not anymore at least. I know of 3 of my buddies personally that when I told them about the new schedule changes, they said they would rather wait it out in the US (2 were from ATA and 1 from Aloha) Why you ask did they say this, the answer, and god bless America for 1 thing, UNEMPLOYMENT pay 
In the short term, they are making enough to survive and they won't come over for 12 days off and reserve every month (an AD is reserve if you ask me). In fact, I think many would get out of aviation before they did that. So, to all you Americans and all of those of you who know Americans, spread the word. To everyone else from everywhere else, spread the word also. If you come to EK, you get 12 days off, and the rest is filled in with reserve We won't see this rule change for a while, but it will when they need to hire again!!! Welcome to Dubai
In the short term, they are making enough to survive and they won't come over for 12 days off and reserve every month (an AD is reserve if you ask me). In fact, I think many would get out of aviation before they did that. So, to all you Americans and all of those of you who know Americans, spread the word. To everyone else from everywhere else, spread the word also. If you come to EK, you get 12 days off, and the rest is filled in with reserve We won't see this rule change for a while, but it will when they need to hire again!!! Welcome to Dubai