Profit - but you got to work more!!
 

So a profit for the week - like most weeks:)

BUT - a 12 XX per month restriction implemented.. And only 5 XX in a row maximum.. Doesn't affect me 'cos I don't commute - sadly though it's going to hit a few people hard!

And ADs will be added to fill up the blanks on the roster. How convenient for scheduling. Anyone want to bet whether this will be changed back to original practice when the times are not so hard?

:ugh::ugh:

WTF
 

So let me get this straight.
1. We have too many pilots
2. All work is covered
3. So we will give you a bunch of AD's to make you look more productive.
4. You've done the hours but we'll give you AD's so you can't leave DXB incase we find some charters.

AD's will be turned in to STBY and you won't get called because
1. We have too many pilots
2. All work is covered
3. Guys all ready on RSV are not busy at the moment

Result
1. Expect morale to reduce
2. Sickness in top bid months to increase
3. General lack of interest to Help out the company when things go wrong

How can they give us more work when there is no more work to be done???
Any new flights?
I don't get it.
Sorry White Knight will affect everybody even if it's just an unneccessary STBY on a day you planned to have a BBQ.

I find it quite incredible but not surprising, considering who is the obvious originator of this new rule, that he has no understanding who is responsible for implementing the considerable operational cost savings that have been made over the last year.

Does he not understand who finally decideds on the fuel load, who decides how efficiently the aircraft is flown, who decides if we go the extra mile into discretion and who is required to speak in a reassuring way to the passengers to help them to feel safe flying with us.

What an idiot, we are the one group of people he should be keeping on his side most during hard times, this rule will alienate many and even if it does not affect you directly, it is not likely to make you do your best for EK.

The only positive thing I can say is that I am not surprised

Two months in a row, rostering rule changes have been implimented after bidding has closed!

Can anyone explain the logic behind having to work more now that we're fat on pilots and that we MAY revert to old rostering rules once aircraft orders catch up with staffing levels. (or am i reading that wrong?)

And why, every week, are we fed a carrot about the fine position of Emirates then bombarded with doom and gloom on the rest of the industry and how bad everyone else has it. I'd like to think that most of us are well aware of the state of the economy/aviation industry.

The job is nice and I love being employed. They do it because they can. Fair enough..... but this managment has absolutly no class!

and the show goes on!
 

Unfortunately Ek management has once again shown their true colours!As all of you have said,and I agree,their reasoning is totally irrational.Maybe the real reason,which was brought up last year when we had the same thing,and seems logical now,is that Dubai is in the s:mad:t and they want us to spend all our money here, not abroad ,to boost local economy.Or maybe some people in high positions don't like the idea of us having more days off than them.Or,and this is a rumour that is going around, we are getting in line to join Ethihad!
Anyway,I think things will get worse so hang on for a rough ride.

Very simple, expect major changes in any month in order to balance out monthly flight duty times - hence no overtime.
Also - pulled out on AD/stby as opposed to a day off means no callout pay. More money saved.......

I have always maintained that when times were good they took from us.
Now that times are bad , well I tell you this we aint seen nothing yet. This is just the start of it !!

This should also re affirm to those delussionals amongst us ( myself included) that they will never ever have basings in EK. They clearly want us to be in DXB ( hence the 5 XX restriction). I see this as a blessing because I was kinda sitting on the fence as to weather I should make the move. They've just forced a decision. Time to dust off the CV.

....and yes there are jobs out there.

Hook
I still don't get it.

1. I've never had overtime in the last three years. (No saving there!) If we have too many pilots why is anybody doing overtime??

2. Didn't get called on RSV and don't know anybody ever called out on a Day Off. (No saving there)

How does only allowing 5 days off in a row make us more productive?
Same for days before/after leave??

Ohhh Hang on, Looks like it is from AAR...Now I get it.

Lazy Pilots having 14 days off a month and resting in First class...Well not on his watch.

AAR "Why these pilots have so many days OFF???"

Office Monkey "Well all the work is covered and they are working up to the overtime limit...."

AAR "So... Too many Days Off ....mmm... Make it 12 Max now"

Office Monkey " But sir, we don't have any flights for them and think of the morale!!"

AAR " mmmm.... Give them AD's ..RSV... make up work for them, I'll show them for those ASR's about crew rest.."

Office Monkey "Yes SIR!!"

In EK, they push it slowly ... next thing will be layoffs and/or unpaid leave, I am afraid.

So let me see if I get this..................all flights crewed....yup.....guys on rsv rarely fly....yup........everyone flying up to overtime limit.........yup.....:ugh:
So the next bright idea...............All leave is cancelled until morale improves? ...

Yup that should make sure that the new aircraft stay on he ground for lack of recruits/retainers! brilliant brilliant brilliant

Baa Baa Baa Darling!(sic BlackAdder)

Quite true Flake, but then again, have they EVER had any ??:{

and the office volunteers will keep coming
 

Inspite of this, and all of the other cost neutral adjustments to our existence over the years there will still be a queue a mile long of pilots prepared VOLUNTEER to fill all of the positions, many of which that can only be filled by pilots, including instructors, examiners, CRM facilitators, technical pilots, safety pilots, recruitment pilots, audit pilots, pilot managers, the list goes on.

I doubt the company would be able to function without those pilots that give their time and skills to cover those positions, many of which are legally required.

Must be a managers dream, 'look at this we can screw these pilots over, and the'll still be lined up to come and do extra work in the office'

....no wonder we continue to be shafted, we have no one to blame but ourselves, if I was a manger I would probably do the same thing...well probably not but then again I'm not a manager.

Morale
 

Now, I will not waste one brain cell thinking of asking for direct, ordering less fuel based on route experience, changing altitudes after examining enroute winds, flying slower if early, etc etc.

Yep, good move, you've just cost EK millions per year in another brilliant "cost neutral" move.

Resume update complete. There may not be many options, but they could very well be better than this third world operator.

Unfortunately it's simple:

Just work strictly to the book, even if the guy/gal is extremely nice on the other side of the phone, - , no sir, no can do, see OM-A blah,blah,blah
Take that extra ton every time you're not quite sure
Engine out taxi? - , no can do, , - big slope, short taxi, narrow turn
Full reverse every time, - , first exit, ROT, heavy plane
Discretion, - , how do you spell that, Sir?
ASR, ASR, ASR, ASR, ASR ................
Atchooooo, oh, - , dial 2
... sorry, I wanted to pick up the phone right away, but was on the other big white telephone, what was it again?
... oh, yeah, the handy was not on, because I get zillions of spam sms from Etisalat, by the way, does the company come up for those?
I'd like to have made the departure on time, but there was this, and that, and in addition we had to make sure of blah, blah, blah

Make the system as slow as it treats us badly:yuk::yuk::yuk:
IT HAS TO SHOW ON STATISTICS NOT ON PPRUNE

In line with CC
 

Since a few years management is taking every opportunity to bring the pilots in line with the cabin crew rostering rules. They just don't miss one. Every excuse is good. Of course it is the easiest way to improve productivity. The P word is used all over. Just think about your BMI. It is a computer oriented management with no other thing in mind than money. Well what else should it be. It is a company after all. It's goal is profits of course. We will face very tough times ahead. Around here they say challenging times. With the number of planes coming in the next 2 years and the drop of pax, you don't have to be a genius to realize what is going on. I think EK is not well positioned to lay off skilled staff. Think about the cost of pilots going back home with their family. For sure they would not come back. Plus who would come to EK and sit at the end of this so called seniority list. Only the guys with no jobs would. I think the situation is very serious around the world. Aviation is always the first to suffer from recessions. Dubai is going to suffer a major blow in all areas in the next 12 months. Stock markets have crashed 80%, real estate is feeling the same trend. The barrel of petrol is below 40$. All projects are stopped or put on hold, hotel rooms occupancy is down big time. I think it is a good time to lay low and do all you can as a pilot to make sure we all get the most out of EK. Like mentioned in previous trends. Our T&C always had a downward trend in good times when the cie was making profits, guess what is in the future:suspect:

It's just the beginning, the balloon has bursted, brace for more now!

Keep Discovering:ok:

Will you guys relax.

3 things to make u happy:

.86
circle atc and fill her up
press 2 on evita

these 3 things will make u happy...... friends of mine tell me.

White Knight

For goodness sake stop moaning. Here you are flying a large shiny jet beyond your wildest dreams a few years ago to exotic places around the world staying in 5 star hotels whilst living in Shangri-La in a free luxury Villa.

Or am I missing something?:D

And by-the -way, Delta and Fedex AREN'T layoff anybody. How they came up with this excuse?

This is a faulty and unethical info....

I think many people saw this one coming. Afterall, hirings are slashed for 2009 due to the general slowdown... fair enough. But it is more than that, they are increasing our work level by any means available (other than effective rostering of course). Hence, they reduce pilot hirings more than required and make those pilots already here, do more work.

We are still receiving aircraft aren't we? Perhaps loads have decreased but we are still doing the flights, so why such a dramatic decrease in projected hirings? This abusive plan has been in the works for a while. Now they have the excuse they need.

It is a cover-up by management and staff in rostering. They cannot effectively manage their crew, so they make up rules that basically allow them to do whatever they want. Hell, I've already seen it in my schedule for the last 3 months. AD days in my top bid month, that turned into Reserve days, that turned into 2 crappy back of the clock turns. All these changes appeared on my roster even before the month began!

Crewing does as it pleases now. There is no longer any recourse for pilots since they have us over a barrel. Our one and only recourse of ASR's does not generally apply to rostering practices such as AD days or max days off.

There is no logic to these new rules if management is being truthful about the purpose. If we are supposedly 'fat' on pilots (no BMI pun intended), then why further restrict our schedules? Instead of offering something like additional leave slots, or leave without pay, they are seeking greater flexibility by ignoring the normal rules. Don't for a minute think that if the worldwide economies get straightened out, we will return to sane rostering practices. Every pilot is stuck with these new rules for the rest of their career at EK.


The incompetence of crewing/rostering is the impetus behind these rules changes. How much easier is it for them to make up rosters, fill pilot seats and manually insert flights when there are no restrictions placed on them? They simply do not consider the adverse affect this will have on us; they don't care nor understand these factors.

Our bidding system has never worked at EK, even though it works great at other airlines. Why is that? Manual insertions! Solution (from an incompetent rostering department point of view)... get rid of all restrictions that limit manual insertions, roster changes and days off for pilots. The next 6 months are going to be tough on pilots, especially those who use to cherish and take advantage of days off. I do not foresee anything which will cause management to reconsider this latest insanity.

A pilot has to be desparate to consider EK now.