Profit - but you got to work more!!
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The FOM can only be modified by an FCI.
The rostering rules are contained in Ch 2 and they lay out some pretty specific information on Reserve Duty and Available Days. I think we might be able to read the rules correctly and apply them.
The rostering rules are contained in Ch 2 and they lay out some pretty specific information on Reserve Duty and Available Days. I think we might be able to read the rules correctly and apply them.
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To lose face or respect...you have to have it in the first place!
And to prove that he is thinking with the wrong end of his body he ordered that all early shifts have to start at 0700
So they all can join the morning traffic jam at the parking and enjoy 20min of creeping to the top floors
Prepare yourself for more
to come!!
And to prove that he is thinking with the wrong end of his body he ordered that all early shifts have to start at 0700
So they all can join the morning traffic jam at the parking and enjoy 20min of creeping to the top floors
Prepare yourself for more
to come!!
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...here is another brilliant one:
The access to the parking will be controlled by new cards.
Everybody has to copy car registration, drivers license and provide further info like cell phone nbr, car colour, car manufacturer etc. on countless lists.
Most of that is readily available to the company and could be just programmed to the chip of the company ID
Is there really no limit to stupidity!!
Keep discovering
The access to the parking will be controlled by new cards.
Everybody has to copy car registration, drivers license and provide further info like cell phone nbr, car colour, car manufacturer etc. on countless lists.
Most of that is readily available to the company and could be just programmed to the chip of the company ID
Is there really no limit to stupidity!!
Keep discovering
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more to come.
It doesn't look good fellow aviators....
This AD issue will only be the beginning...
Latest rumors : ALL Boeing deliveries (18 to go in 09) will be delayed until f.n. from February onwards.
Cabin recruitment will also be completely stopped in the next month....
Lets see how secure your and my job is....
This AD issue will only be the beginning...
Latest rumors : ALL Boeing deliveries (18 to go in 09) will be delayed until f.n. from February onwards.
Cabin recruitment will also be completely stopped in the next month....
Lets see how secure your and my job is....
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5* - I doubt the 777's will be delayed very much.. Lots of rumours but they are just that!! Now's the time that the company should be thinking big, grab the market by the balls and all that... At least if Timmy's 'we are unstoppable' is going to carry any weight
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They can't stop cabin crew recruitment, although they could cut back and only hire enough to replace the people who leave- I doubt anybody is hanging on for the profit share this year. Seems unlikely though, as does delaying delivery of new aircraft at such short notice. Remember, Emirates still has money in the bank and now is a great time to be out shopping.
So Emirates are going to stop recruitment ? maybe even give some unpaid leave?
Yet they still cant give everyone the leave they are entitled too.
Their target is only to give everyone 30 days per year, well short of our "contractual" 42 days.
The pr***s seem delighted with this, especially since some have even got more that 30..
I'm glad at this moment to be in a "fairly" secure job, but I for one can't wait to be out of this shytehole.
Let the good time roll....sometime soon please
Yet they still cant give everyone the leave they are entitled too.
Their target is only to give everyone 30 days per year, well short of our "contractual" 42 days.
The pr***s seem delighted with this, especially since some have even got more that 30..
I'm glad at this moment to be in a "fairly" secure job, but I for one can't wait to be out of this shytehole.
Let the good time roll....sometime soon please
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NCC loss of 50% of rest time
after a little breifing yesterday theirs not enough expletives to describe whats being said about nasty dish dash with no brain and the peon dc, from lower grade staff to manager level. they say its the peons lack ability to manage crew control and his own staff that have shone this spotlight down from the 9 floor so now everyone pay the price. only reason this have been put in place against the advice and wish of every manager involved and hr is to f*** the staff - its clear arab managers think this brings results but its up to us to show it does not - CT
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divide and conquer...rings any bell?
If you think the crew controllers are happy now...with max 4 full days off a month, max 2 days in a row and max 8 days alltogether...think again!!
Better take on the management than venting your anger at the poor sods!
We ALL get screwed big time, the last thing we need now is playing into their hand by fighting each other.
divide and conquer...rings any bell?
If you think the crew controllers are happy now...with max 4 full days off a month, max 2 days in a row and max 8 days alltogether...think again!!
Better take on the management than venting your anger at the poor sods!
We ALL get screwed big time, the last thing we need now is playing into their hand by fighting each other.
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Schibulski, help me out here. I assume your previous 4 days on was all the same shift? How does the 6 on work, do you go from day to swing to graveyard shift every two days or stay in the same shift for all 6?
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The 4on/4off shifts were 2 day and 2 nite, so you had 1 day to sleep and 3 full days for the family or friends.
Now the roster is 2 early, 2 late, 2 nite and after sleeping out you got just one full day off b4 starting again with early shift.
They will probably try some minor changes but thats basically it
Now the roster is 2 early, 2 late, 2 nite and after sleeping out you got just one full day off b4 starting again with early shift.
They will probably try some minor changes but thats basically it
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So the long and short of it is is that 1 man just single handedly pissed off the ENTIRE employee group. Well, I don't know about you guys, but I will gladly trade my tiny little piece of whatever profit share we might or might not get to totally f... this guy off getting anything from his big share. At least now it will be a coordinated employee effort from all levels to fight back, not just one group. By the time this is said and done there will be no face to save, but hey, it seemed like a good idea at the time. Just pass it along to everyone else to remember that we (from pilots to crew control to rostering to the poor guys throwing bags) are ALL getting the shaft from management on this one.
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Interesting views, many seem a little based in la la land; quite appropriate for Dubai.
The world is in the worst down turn since the 40s. The last time we were involved in this type of economic climate, after Sep 11, the situation went on for a few months. EK was effectively alone in the market, now there are 3 major regional airlines fighting over the spoils. Ek made cock all in the first half but will hopefully make a little more in this half; there will be no profit share. All of the major economies are in recession and will be for the foreseeable future. Dubai has a liquidity problem and at the moment we are committed to take another 17 aircraft this year. Much of our revenues come from markets where the currency has weakened against the dollar which means the revenue side of the balance sheet has fallen by in some places over 40% over the last 6 months. One of our biggest markets, the UK, has taken a 30% currency hit in the last year. The dwindling oil price has insulated us from the shock.
Looking forward, when do we realistically expect things to improve? 2010, 2011... By then if EK keeps expanding we will be in a loss making situation and retrenchment will take place. We have a good cash balance which will help us through the difficult times but in no way guarantee our future development. The fact is that we are not immune to the world situation, the are uncertainties about the UAE leadership and the way in which Dubai and Abu Dhabi will negotiate a bail out hang over EK's head.
Yep the theme of this thread, random AD insertion is silly but I think a few of us need to wake up and smell the coffee. Some difficult choices face us in the future and an expansionary strategy with the world economy as it is carries significant risk. The management don't take their decisions based upon the measley profit in the last quarter but rather on where they expect to be in the months to come. We have always believed we can survive and pick up the pieces in the future but now, in our own backyard, we are the poor relations. If the this recession is prolonged, anyone waiting for a job from EK will be unlucky. Recruitment has gone from around 300+ to 50 or so and I think we will rationalise the fleet and ditch some of the older aircraft to maintain the yields as the new aircraft arrive. But if you think our current modest profits mean we don't have to do anything you are sadly mistaken. The US realised several cycles ago that the only way to survive was to be ruthless over cost control and keep or make the operation as lean as possible. If that decision is delayed it becomes almost impossible to turn it around in time.
Over the coming months, ADs will be the least of our problems. I'll be keeping my powder dry for some more important battles that we will face in the future. You might not agree with me and this is only my opinion but I'd be interested if anyone can explain to me why we are going to be insulated from the down turn and offer a more optimistic view of the future.
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The world is in the worst down turn since the 40s. The last time we were involved in this type of economic climate, after Sep 11, the situation went on for a few months. EK was effectively alone in the market, now there are 3 major regional airlines fighting over the spoils. Ek made cock all in the first half but will hopefully make a little more in this half; there will be no profit share. All of the major economies are in recession and will be for the foreseeable future. Dubai has a liquidity problem and at the moment we are committed to take another 17 aircraft this year. Much of our revenues come from markets where the currency has weakened against the dollar which means the revenue side of the balance sheet has fallen by in some places over 40% over the last 6 months. One of our biggest markets, the UK, has taken a 30% currency hit in the last year. The dwindling oil price has insulated us from the shock.
Looking forward, when do we realistically expect things to improve? 2010, 2011... By then if EK keeps expanding we will be in a loss making situation and retrenchment will take place. We have a good cash balance which will help us through the difficult times but in no way guarantee our future development. The fact is that we are not immune to the world situation, the are uncertainties about the UAE leadership and the way in which Dubai and Abu Dhabi will negotiate a bail out hang over EK's head.
Yep the theme of this thread, random AD insertion is silly but I think a few of us need to wake up and smell the coffee. Some difficult choices face us in the future and an expansionary strategy with the world economy as it is carries significant risk. The management don't take their decisions based upon the measley profit in the last quarter but rather on where they expect to be in the months to come. We have always believed we can survive and pick up the pieces in the future but now, in our own backyard, we are the poor relations. If the this recession is prolonged, anyone waiting for a job from EK will be unlucky. Recruitment has gone from around 300+ to 50 or so and I think we will rationalise the fleet and ditch some of the older aircraft to maintain the yields as the new aircraft arrive. But if you think our current modest profits mean we don't have to do anything you are sadly mistaken. The US realised several cycles ago that the only way to survive was to be ruthless over cost control and keep or make the operation as lean as possible. If that decision is delayed it becomes almost impossible to turn it around in time.
Over the coming months, ADs will be the least of our problems. I'll be keeping my powder dry for some more important battles that we will face in the future. You might not agree with me and this is only my opinion but I'd be interested if anyone can explain to me why we are going to be insulated from the down turn and offer a more optimistic view of the future.
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Ghostflyer habibi. No one here can doubt that cost must be controlled at these times. However, one man pissing off his whole workforce by implementing things which do NOT achieve cost savings, infact are more likely to cost EK money in the long run, by having a very demotivated workforce.
Most here @ EK are team players, except AAR it would seem Tw@t.
SyB
Most here @ EK are team players, except AAR it would seem
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You are right about the general situation but whats going on is not an attempt to solve the crisis TOGETHER but to rule with nothing but FEAR!!
Your AD is basically just aimed to force you into unpaid leave and to show you that they can do whatever they want
They put pressure on everybody just because they dare to discuss the issues.
There is no better way to use the resources than a 4/4 roster. Now they have no flexibility and pissed off employees.
I have never seen such pathetic display of mean spirited, clueless management before
...and for the fighting part...we might learn a lesson from the lowly drivers. There was an issue with no supply of drinking water in summer...ALL of them reported sick one morning
And what a surprise...that problem was solved within hours
Allthough I would never suggest that option for EK staff
But if you are treated like children...you might even react like one
@ fatbus: keep in mind we are not stupid!
Good luck everybody
You are right about the general situation but whats going on is not an attempt to solve the crisis TOGETHER but to rule with nothing but FEAR!!
Your AD is basically just aimed to force you into unpaid leave and to show you that they can do whatever they want
They put pressure on everybody just because they dare to discuss the issues.
There is no better way to use the resources than a 4/4 roster. Now they have no flexibility and pissed off employees.
I have never seen such pathetic display of mean spirited, clueless
management before...and for the fighting part...we might learn a lesson from the lowly drivers. There was an issue with no supply of drinking water in summer...ALL of them reported sick one morning
And what a surprise...that problem was solved within hours
Allthough I would never suggest that option for EK staff
But if you are treated like children...you might even react like one
@ fatbus: keep in mind we are not stupid!
Good luck everybody
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Can somebody walk me step by step through the logic behind this latest piece of silliness? Apart from forcing me to buy more groceries in Dubai, (and pissing me off royally!!), what in the world are they achieving with what seems to be official policy now, a swag of days off, then one trip, all too often finishing after 2300 local, immediately before a pilot commences leave?
As for the 5 day off string restriction, it must actually be costing them money, as people who might spend money on a subload ticket (money that goes into the EK coffers and uses only a seat that would be otherwise empty) to go home are frequently forced to stay, increasingly embittered, in Dubai.
... to buy their groceries in Dubai. That's it! AAR is leading a supermarket-led recovery for the Dubai economy.
Can someone confirm, as I saw someone post on the all pilots group, that when he saw how many days off could be achieved by a pilot bidding for a 80 to 90 hour roster on multiple ULH flights, he said that such pilots were "stealing from the company"?
As for the 5 day off string restriction, it must actually be costing them money, as people who might spend money on a subload ticket (money that goes into the EK coffers and uses only a seat that would be otherwise empty) to go home are frequently forced to stay, increasingly embittered, in Dubai.
... to buy their groceries in Dubai. That's it! AAR is leading a supermarket-led recovery for the Dubai economy.
Can someone confirm, as I saw someone post on the all pilots group, that when he saw how many days off could be achieved by a pilot bidding for a 80 to 90 hour roster on multiple ULH flights, he said that such pilots were "stealing from the company"?
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KH,
Good spot, I changed my handle when I was the mod of the EK site.
So how do you deal with the policy. Whinging on PPrune I suspect won't do it so maybe it comes down to taking the opportunity to go to the newly announced weekly.
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Good spot, I changed my handle when I was the mod of the EK site.
So how do you deal with the policy. Whinging on PPrune I suspect won't do it so maybe it comes down to taking the opportunity to go to the newly announced weekly.
Ghostflyer Schnowzer Type Person