Profit - but you got to work more!!
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FM, Think you are probably correct, they are not fat on pilots, I got called yesterday for the first time in a couple of years on a day off to "help" them out with a flight. AAR is upset they won't make budget this year and is taking it out on the people with just as much vested as he has. Mr Motivator....!!!!
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sobering thoughts on reality
Hi guys, I am still well aware of how frustrating the above ongoing issues with Ek were and obviously still are but for those of you thinking of jumping ship be very sure of your options first.
I just recently successfully passed my training with Korean and the four weeks of line training hell has left many more scars than the previous ten years of perceived abuse from EK. No matter what your experience or ability you will still only have less than a 70% chance (depending on fleet) of surviving. Normal rules simply do not apply and when your families financial stability, house and profession are in the hands of mad men it is an awful experience.
However, once out on line it is a good job, so I am told. I am still recovering from shock.
Beware!
I just recently successfully passed my training with Korean and the four weeks of line training hell has left many more scars than the previous ten years of perceived abuse from EK. No matter what your experience or ability you will still only have less than a 70% chance (depending on fleet) of surviving. Normal rules simply do not apply and when your families financial stability, house and profession are in the hands of mad men it is an awful experience.
However, once out on line it is a good job, so I am told. I am still recovering from shock.
Beware!
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if what you say is true then I hope you told them to f*c* off. It is the only way to show them that they simply cannot treat us the way they are doing the last 2 years.
I find it very very hard to believe that they would call someone with so many on AD's. Or did too many develop a cold over the weekend.
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I find it very very hard to believe that they would call someone with so many on AD's. Or did too many develop a cold over the weekend.
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Acclimatized for SBU...
Wow, an other little trick. If you have to be acclimatized for your SBU before ULR, that means you have to be in Dubai 5 days prior to the actual ULR flight to be legal. Since the flight departs in the morning and you need 3 local nights to be acclimatized for the SBU, basically you need your 5 local nights before the ULR.
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My special thanks to all the good souls who helped out the company a few days ago, when the usual DXB cock-up set in with fog.
Reading our managers thanks for the ready help by flying on days off and using all the discretion, after they shafted us with all these ADs, you actually contributed to feed AAR with more arguments to lay off some collegues.
Reading our managers thanks for the ready help by flying on days off and using all the discretion, after they shafted us with all these ADs, you actually contributed to feed AAR with more arguments to lay off some collegues.
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I wouldn't be too confident.
Dubai is getting hammered economically - Sama Dubai (part of Dubai holdings) have just gone bankrupt and Emaar have stopped work on several projects - if companies 100% owned by the Dubai government are going bust then nothing is guaranteed.
Dubai is getting hammered economically - Sama Dubai (part of Dubai holdings) have just gone bankrupt and Emaar have stopped work on several projects - if companies 100% owned by the Dubai government are going bust then nothing is guaranteed.
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To all the ones who sold us their souls and screwed their fellow aviators by working on a day off : Job well done!!! We thank you very very much and a well deserved brown Najimm award is on the way to you....
While you were working your ***s off, we just decided to cut your days off by another 2, and put a limit to maximum 2 in a row....
While you were working your ***s off, we just decided to cut your days off by another 2, and put a limit to maximum 2 in a row....
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I think things may be as dire as the doomsayers are saying they are, so I wouldn't be too sure they won't park a few aircraft (and therefore some of us). A talking head on Dubai Eye this morning said that the UAE building sector was down 52% - that's UAE. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the drop in Dubai building was even higher than that to make an average of 52% across all the emirates. (Elsewhere, I've heard that over 90,000 people have left Dubai since the crunch first began to bite.)
He went on to say that it was hard to get answers on how many projects had actually been cancelled as opposed to being put on hold, as developers don't want to give the bad news to investors who've put money up front that they may not see any return on in the foreseeable future, if at all. He mentioned that there were many buildings incomplete, 'on hold' and the interiors exposed to the elements.
Others have mentioned, quite correctly, the enormous expenses involved in sacking pilots (cancelled visas, housing, termination benefits to name but a few of the factors that would come into play, to say nothing of the expense - and delay - in employing and training new start pilots when they eventually are required again).
Unfortunately, we have a precedent that money pouring in torrents out of one pocket to save a trickle from another hasn't stopped them from taking (shall we call it) 'precipitate' action in the past. The Alteon SFIs to replace our own TCIs, allegedly at four times the price, comes immediately to mind.
He went on to say that it was hard to get answers on how many projects had actually been cancelled as opposed to being put on hold, as developers don't want to give the bad news to investors who've put money up front that they may not see any return on in the foreseeable future, if at all. He mentioned that there were many buildings incomplete, 'on hold' and the interiors exposed to the elements.
Others have mentioned, quite correctly, the enormous expenses involved in sacking pilots (cancelled visas, housing, termination benefits to name but a few of the factors that would come into play, to say nothing of the expense - and delay - in employing and training new start pilots when they eventually are required again).
Unfortunately, we have a precedent that money pouring in torrents out of one pocket to save a trickle from another hasn't stopped them from taking (shall we call it) 'precipitate' action in the past. The Alteon SFIs to replace our own TCIs, allegedly at four times the price, comes immediately to mind.
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Heard a rumour the other day that the 'Tiger Woods' Golf complex/ Vila development has also been shelved in recent days from a mate in the know in construction. Very high profile !
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Indeed JetII, Dubai is getting hammered - but the majority of our passengers transit through DXB!!
I'm liking the quieter roads
I hear 1000 visas per day are being cancelled..
I'm liking the quieter roads
I hear 1000 visas per day are being cancelled..
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One of Emirates major attractions has always been the perceived job security. If they start to get rid of pilots they may find it harder to recruit in the future. Would you move yourself and your family halfway around the world to join the bottom of a seniority list (such as it is) if you believed, come the next downturn, you could be out of a job, homeless, and have your children looking for a new school in a new country as well?
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Al Jazeera estimated 600 000 jobs has been lost world wide the past month
and 70 000 job cuts were announced in the US yesterday!
I would be very surprised if we don't see some downsize of the operation fairly soon.
