Profit - but you got to work more!!
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they are increasing our work level
I think AAD's got shares in Choithrams. That's about the only thing that makes any sense of this new system.
I'm off to now see if I can afford to pull the pin any earlier than originally planned. (Maybe that's AAD's plan? **** off all the long term pilots to the point that they resign so he can replace them with DECs on first year captain wages?)
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How can anyone be surprised with what EK is doing? This is just the tip of the iceberg with much worse to come in the months ahead.
Do you really think the bulk of EK pilots are going to leave? Where are the springboks going to go? They can cut our pay 40% and the Canadians will still be happy because they would still make more than they do in the frozen north. With the stonger dollar I got close to a 50% pay rise so the company feels that they can take that away from us. Like I said above is anyone surprised with what our ****te company is doing to us?
Fex Ex and Delta is not laying off presently and what the helll does that have to do with us in the sand? BOHICA!
Do you really think the bulk of EK pilots are going to leave? Where are the springboks going to go? They can cut our pay 40% and the Canadians will still be happy because they would still make more than they do in the frozen north. With the stonger dollar I got close to a 50% pay rise so the company feels that they can take that away from us. Like I said above is anyone surprised with what our ****te company is doing to us?
Fex Ex and Delta is not laying off presently and what the helll does that have to do with us in the sand? BOHICA!
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Hi Guys,
you pilots are not the only ones getting screwed by al Retard!
He just decided without any consultation to change the NCCs 4on4off roster with 12hour shifts to 8hour shifts. And the new roster shows 6on2off
That means they come out of the last nite shift, have another full day off and start the next day early again 
Dont have to tell you what that means for the private live, increased opportunities to enjoy the traffic, commuting, nonexistant weekends etc.
The following outcry by everybody was just ignored
So dont be surprised when the once friendly voice on the phone or VHF will be a bit grumpy now!
What a pathetic display of
management!!
But at least they all can increase the BMI as they like
you pilots are not the only ones getting screwed by al Retard!
He just decided without any consultation to change the NCCs 4on4off roster with 12hour shifts to 8hour shifts. And the new roster shows 6on2off
That means they come out of the last nite shift, have another full day off and start the next day early again Dont have to tell you what that means for the private live, increased opportunities to enjoy the traffic, commuting, nonexistant weekends etc.
The following outcry by everybody was just ignored
So dont be surprised when the once friendly voice on the phone or VHF will be a bit grumpy now!
What a pathetic display of
management!!But at least they all can increase the BMI as they like
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I personally am not particularly happy with the new developments.
That said - would the crack addicts who are beating their chests about sending resumes to all and sundry kindly inform the rest of us where that might be...and if you say Korean you obviously have'nt done the two-on, two-off commute...I have and the only thing its good for is getting away from your family on those days when you need to be there.
Eagerly waiting by my computer to update my resume based on the treasure trove of replys...
f.
That said - would the crack addicts who are beating their chests about sending resumes to all and sundry kindly inform the rest of us where that might be...and if you say Korean you obviously have'nt done the two-on, two-off commute...I have and the only thing its good for is getting away from your family on those days when you need to be there.
Eagerly waiting by my computer to update my resume based on the treasure trove of replys...
f.
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"... the only thing its good for is getting away from your family on those days when you need to be there."
I don't have a family. They became crack addicts and pi$$ed off.
I don't have a family. They became crack addicts and pi$$ed off.
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JAN15 - FCI about First Class canceled
JAN15 - No more days off rule implemented
Coincidence?
Nope. It's just to put the worker ants' minor victory in perspective and reaffirm who still wields the sceptre.
JAN15 - No more days off rule implemented
Coincidence?
Nope. It's just to put the worker ants' minor victory in perspective and reaffirm who still wields the sceptre.
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Seems to me that the aim of all of this is to:
Expect lots of tips taken away or redistributed after the bid period closes.
- Reduce the number of pilots hired this year to absolute minimum levels.
- Limit days off by inserting available/reserve days.
- Absolutely minimize any overtime that anyone might get due to the reduced staffing by making aggressive use of the reserves to balance time throughout the pilot force.
Expect lots of tips taken away or redistributed after the bid period closes.
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This will backfire big time. Maybe not on the short run, but it will set in.
The worst punishment you can inflict to a pilot, (next to cutting his pay and i fear we will be there shortly), is to keep him on ground and restricting his liberty of movement. We live to fly or to have time off. Reserve is a necessary evil, but what's on the agenda at EK now is pure punishment. Everyone knows that, therefore everyone knows they want to punish us. That is next to nothing any leader should avoid. If a company now goes ahead with such a disgraceful procedure, they display a level of arrogance and powerplay that has some longterm bad consequences.
I agree that we should behave to show them our dismay as fast as possible, for the sake of us AND the company.
The worst punishment you can inflict to a pilot, (next to cutting his pay and i fear we will be there shortly), is to keep him on ground and restricting his liberty of movement. We live to fly or to have time off. Reserve is a necessary evil, but what's on the agenda at EK now is pure punishment. Everyone knows that, therefore everyone knows they want to punish us. That is next to nothing any leader should avoid. If a company now goes ahead with such a disgraceful procedure, they display a level of arrogance and powerplay that has some longterm bad consequences.
I agree that we should behave to show them our dismay as fast as possible, for the sake of us AND the company.
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A few points,
I, like most others, am convinced that this comes from AD, both TCAS and the Talking Horse will be just as horrified as we are, even if it is only because they realize that their management roles have become far harder. I do not believe that this originates from any rostering requirement, the people who work there are normal people trying to do their jobs with as little hassle as possible, they know that this rule will make their lives far harder, having to deal with a more irate and uncooperative group.
The problem now is how we help TCAS & Co to extract us from this situation. Due to "loss of face" they can't just go to AD and say that the pilots are revolting and it's costing us millions! They will hope that over time this just fades away, if there is no impact on operational costs, they may not even be bothered. Probably the only way we can influence them is by affecting their bonuses/ profit share (no hope really but theirs is more that ours) so that they must find a way.
I actually don't think any incitement on PPRuNe is needed over this, there are so many who are badly affected by this that it will gain it's own momentum, just work within the FOM/OMA and don't put your head too far above the firing line!
I, like most others, am convinced that this comes from AD, both TCAS and the Talking Horse will be just as horrified as we are, even if it is only because they realize that their management roles have become far harder. I do not believe that this originates from any rostering requirement, the people who work there are normal people trying to do their jobs with as little hassle as possible, they know that this rule will make their lives far harder, having to deal with a more irate and uncooperative group.
The problem now is how we help TCAS & Co to extract us from this situation. Due to "loss of face" they can't just go to AD and say that the pilots are revolting and it's costing us millions! They will hope that over time this just fades away, if there is no impact on operational costs, they may not even be bothered. Probably the only way we can influence them is by affecting their bonuses/ profit share (no hope really but theirs is more that ours) so that they must find a way.
I actually don't think any incitement on PPRuNe is needed over this, there are so many who are badly affected by this that it will gain it's own momentum, just work within the FOM/OMA and don't put your head too far above the firing line!
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As informed by a friend at the Standards meeting a couple of days ago, they didn't have the balls to mention it there as well.
What a shower of spineless kn*bs.
Let's not make the mistake of thinking that they give a sh*t
What a shower of spineless kn*bs.
Let's not make the mistake of thinking that they give a sh*t
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Millers - I imagine that there's a lot that you miss
This'll blow over much as the previous restriction on max days off did last year. I just find the response from above rather pathetic when they 'lose' a battle over rest seats But it'll fade!!
I believe one of our esteemed managers was blowing steam at said meeting over the increase in use of full reverse thrust recently... I'm sure they'd rather see one of us in the grass at the end of the runway Yet they let IFE spend vast amounts on money on stupid little glossy brochures all about India
This'll blow over much as the previous restriction on max days off did last year. I just find the response from above rather pathetic when they 'lose' a battle over rest seats
But it'll fade!!I believe one of our esteemed managers was blowing steam at said meeting over the increase in use of full reverse thrust recently... I'm sure they'd rather see one of us in the grass at the end of the runway
Yet they let IFE spend vast amounts on money on stupid little glossy brochures all about India
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Just so you know guys, they tried to implement it down to 8-9 days off, but backtracked to 12. We are equals with the cabin crew now. I hope they allow the rest in the FD to be increased from 40 min to about 3 hours in the new OM-A!!!!
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Productivity
How's that for improving productivity...
I love it, what more do you need to explain after all. And remember it was in good times when they were making loads of money. Brace my friends. Here are a few more, from 28 days to 21 days in a row for annual leave, or new joining single pilots get a two bedrooms flat instead of 3 bedrooms before. Pilots not allowed in first class seats to rest. What about the lounge access when we travel. And the price of traveling tickets. More expensive on EK than other airlines. But it looks good in productivity report to announce a big profit with staff travel every year. I could go on. You give me some more examples...
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The Cost Neutral Pay Adjustment. The Factoring FIASCO. The Second Coming of Factoring. No more credit for Leave or Reserve. Cutting Prov Fund and Profit Share from suture pay increases. Accomodation shaftings. Promotion shaftings. DECs. Forced fleet transfers. FOs doing the training for cheaper rates. Outsiders doing the training for outrageously increased rates. TCK's "Disicpline" rant and uniform policy. Ever-decreasing meal allowances. The recent pick-up times goat-rope. The extra baggage issue. The sign-on time issue. The loss of 30min end of duty period. The farming out of ground school time into YOUR personal time and the CRM part into the previously important SEP day. 24hr ULR layovers. Three-crew JFKs. The introduction of endless dead-heading AFTER a duty when required. The 3 day PPC. The 2 day PPC. This shady, dodgy new ONE DAY PPC for "certain" candidates. FREE sim support duties (and god help us, guys STILL volunteer for them). The first shot at constraining rostering practices. The second time last year. This latest vindictive action. Did I miss anything?
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I think these points by Fatpilot ( watch that BMI now 
), sums it up nicely...
The Cost Neutral Pay Adjustment. The Factoring FIASCO. The Second Coming of Factoring. No more credit for Leave or Reserve. Cutting Prov Fund and Profit Share from suture pay increases. Accomodation shaftings. Promotion shaftings. DECs. Forced fleet transfers. FOs doing the training for cheaper rates. Outsiders doing the training for outrageously increased rates. TCK's "Disicpline" rant and uniform policy. Ever-decreasing meal allowances. The recent pick-up times goat-rope. The extra baggage issue. The sign-on time issue. The loss of 30min end of duty period. The farming out of ground school time into YOUR personal time and the CRM part into the previously important SEP day. 24hr ULR layovers. Three-crew JFKs. The introduction of endless dead-heading AFTER a duty when required. The 3 day PPC. The 2 day PPC. This shady, dodgy new ONE DAY PPC for "certain" candidates. FREE sim support duties (and god help us, guys STILL volunteer for them). The first shot at constraining rostering practices. The second time last year. This latest vindictive action. Did I miss anything?
), sums it up nicely...The Cost Neutral Pay Adjustment. The Factoring FIASCO. The Second Coming of Factoring. No more credit for Leave or Reserve. Cutting Prov Fund and Profit Share from suture pay increases. Accomodation shaftings. Promotion shaftings. DECs. Forced fleet transfers. FOs doing the training for cheaper rates. Outsiders doing the training for outrageously increased rates. TCK's "Disicpline" rant and uniform policy. Ever-decreasing meal allowances. The recent pick-up times goat-rope. The extra baggage issue. The sign-on time issue. The loss of 30min end of duty period. The farming out of ground school time into YOUR personal time and the CRM part into the previously important SEP day. 24hr ULR layovers. Three-crew JFKs. The introduction of endless dead-heading AFTER a duty when required. The 3 day PPC. The 2 day PPC. This shady, dodgy new ONE DAY PPC for "certain" candidates. FREE sim support duties (and god help us, guys STILL volunteer for them). The first shot at constraining rostering practices. The second time last year. This latest vindictive action. Did I miss anything?
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Fatpilot
Your message covers it all. I'm pretty sure the next step will be jobcuts.
In the mean time I recommend everyone to get that extra container of vaseline.
Btw. Have you checked your BMI yet?
In the mean time I recommend everyone to get that extra container of vaseline.
Btw. Have you checked your BMI yet?
