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if bahrain really want to reduce their losses, get rid of the airline altogether and let the others service it.
Imagine a rich country like bahrain doesnt even own an airline.
I know that your reply will be "hey what about bahrain air?"
Bahrain air doesnt have a reputation like Gulf air. The brand is realy old and unique.
it would be a very immature decision if the country would "get rid" of the airline.
If it wasnt for the experienced brand for the airline, GF would be known has bahrain air(or something like that)by now
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as i read this thread it get more and more amusing. WHEN are people going to wake up and realize bahrain and GF are not in the good old days!!!!! you talk to people and they just dont get it. EMB190's in the reat of the world are really nice aircraft but not here? no we can only fly 320 and 380 lol........ it makes u realize why this airline is so messed up!!!
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skybeds,
think about it intellectually and not emotionally. the regional and international aviation market is completely saturated. bahrain is not rich enough to own its own airline. all the neighbours have more than enough aircrafts to serve the entire middle east at least twice over. bahrain will be well served without having the burden on its economy of having to run an airline. really, only those employed by gf will miss out. worth it if its going to save the national economy 1.35 million a day.
otherwise, stick with majalis regional plan a die a slow and painful death.
think about it intellectually and not emotionally. the regional and international aviation market is completely saturated. bahrain is not rich enough to own its own airline. all the neighbours have more than enough aircrafts to serve the entire middle east at least twice over. bahrain will be well served without having the burden on its economy of having to run an airline. really, only those employed by gf will miss out. worth it if its going to save the national economy 1.35 million a day.
otherwise, stick with majalis regional plan a die a slow and painful death.
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Imagine the AAAAs and all the top range tom cruizies flying E190? HAHAHAhSsssssssssssssssZZZZZZPPPPP
LION OF THE SKYYYYYYY N alshabab,the muscular man, and the rest who ffffffff GF.
E190 DEFFINETLY SENIORITY, HEY BRASSTHHH WHAT SENIORITY NUMBER ARE YOU?
LION OF THE SKYYYYYYY N alshabab,the muscular man, and the rest who ffffffff GF. E190 DEFFINETLY SENIORITY, HEY BRASSTHHH WHAT SENIORITY NUMBER ARE YOU?
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skybeds,
think about it intellectually and not emotionally. the regional and international aviation market is completely saturated. bahrain is not rich enough to own its own airline. all the neighbours have more than enough aircrafts to serve the entire middle east at least twice over. bahrain will be well served without having the burden on its economy of having to run an airline. really, only those employed by gf will miss out. worth it if its going to save the national economy 1.35 million a day.
otherwise, stick with majalis regional plan a die a slow and painful death.
think about it intellectually and not emotionally. the regional and international aviation market is completely saturated. bahrain is not rich enough to own its own airline. all the neighbours have more than enough aircrafts to serve the entire middle east at least twice over. bahrain will be well served without having the burden on its economy of having to run an airline. really, only those employed by gf will miss out. worth it if its going to save the national economy 1.35 million a day.
otherwise, stick with majalis regional plan a die a slow and painful death.
But why wasnt this mentioned by majali.The upper management should really open their minds for new idea in making money.As i said those E 170s are not as reliable as the airbus 319s and 320s are.the only reason that majali might be doing this si becouse of the commisions(that Mephistopheles mentioned) or hes getting money under the table from those plane manufacturer.
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skybeds are u serious? FOREIGN investment? lol seriously we lost 500 million and are a government ARAB airline. i only say this becasue no western invester would invest with us especially with dubai the way it has gone and the way we are!!!! and honestly u think us getting nice f/j will make us money? qatar and etihad are flying at deficits on most routes and they have no problem with doing so as THEY CAN AFFORD IT!!!! i really am dumbfounded by people who just dont realize we are not in that situation. accept it! move on and make GF the best sirline it can be. which is not a major airline! also stop bashing an aircraft u just dont like. E190 and most regional jets are nice aircraft not really what i want to fly but they are NICE and relieable. u know i think it is obvious that most GF people are still living in the clouds and have no clue about real airlines and how to make it all work!
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also stop bashing an aircraft u just dont like. E190 and most regional jets are nice aircraft not really what i want to fly but they are NICE and relieable.
plus, there are the 318s. they are much smaller than any other airbus or boeing aircraft.
So why not order those.
As i said ,majali is getting some money under the table.
The best remedy for getting out of the situation GF is in is to stick with one plan and follow it,other than keep on changing the plans again and again
.this is really getting ridiculous .
I would really advice GF to stick with their 330 orders. They had to go through a lot just to get that slot and now the airline doesn't want them anymore.
don't take it in the wrong way but the correct word is aircraft not aircraftS.
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sktbewd all aircraft have problems!!!! look at all of our planes. 330 and 340 are all breaking down all the time. and not trying to stick up for EMB's bhut they are wat cheaper to run then 318's that is the reason no major airline operates 318's. and as far as sticking to a plan i agree but first u actually have to have a plan that is sensible. anyways if u actually wanted to learn about this u would read the specs on these aircraft. look for yourself GF is making a good decision if they are gog into short haul routes.
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E 190's are cheaper to run but I'm sure the cost of training and maintenance will be high, so not much saving there. from sales point of view, it would be better for E190's. no middle seat in the config which no body wants anyway.
yet on the other hand looking at the type of PAX we carry they all carry big luggage and extra wt. where will they fit all that?
i dint know if there is any sim in the region for E190's, the closest one i know is in London, theres another cost for sending crew there for SIM.
as far as Tech probs, the jet has been in the market for some time now, so i gather it shouldn't be that bad.
commission? maybe... its a fact : any new CEO either- sell, Buy, lease, Sublease, new strategy, new look or change livery..... thats the only way to make money. (for them i mean)
so let them do what they are best at doing (make money)
-for them self-
yet on the other hand looking at the type of PAX we carry they all carry big luggage and extra wt. where will they fit all that?
i dint know if there is any sim in the region for E190's, the closest one i know is in London, theres another cost for sending crew there for SIM.
as far as Tech probs, the jet has been in the market for some time now, so i gather it shouldn't be that bad.
commission? maybe... its a fact : any new CEO either- sell, Buy, lease, Sublease, new strategy, new look or change livery..... thats the only way to make money. (for them i mean)
so let them do what they are best at doing (make money)
-for them self-
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Unfortunately, the only way to make a short-haul network profitable is to cut costs dramatically. Short-haul, full-service operators in Europe have taken the brunt of the downturn and I'm not sure that the Government of Bahrain fully realizes the implications of going down the short-haul road. All those high-paying management, pilot and cabin crew jobs are going to have to go. I suspect, therefore, that the hurt is only just beginning for Gulf Air.
How can an airline, no matter how small, even with a single aircraft, fly when "All those high-paying management, pilot and cabin crew jobs" are gone?
A remote-controlled aircraft?
I hate to say this but there's just too many ill-informed (or uninformed) people on this thread.
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You're probably spot on repa. I wonder how many of the "intelligencia" here has even viewed the slides and presentations regarding the Embraer acft. Like how efficient the E-190 really is. They have a terrific website.
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I am quite amazed...
I don't work for GF... I am not a pilot but have been involved in all aspects of Aviation for around 22 yrs and as a Manager for around 16 of those, I have been living in Bahrain for around 6 years, and I WANT GF to succeed but I am quite astounded right now by some of the tosh here. I would not normally get involved in a discussion such as this, but jeez!
What I see on this rapidly growing thread is lots of opinions, advice etc from "some pilots or others" of GF... the Pilots that are here to do a job etc are quite quiet! The question I have for the others, is at which point in a Pilot or Crews career are you educated, qualified and engaged at Management level to have an input in how to run an Airline?
So far I see people saying order more A330's, don't buy the Embraer, he's getting back handers, the EMB is no good etc... and so on... you do this based on what?? Aspiring to fly XXX type is hardly a business model is it folks!!!
Majali is quite possibly the best chance GF has, he has a PROVEN track record which others have not had, and will ever have... I don't work there but I hear so many times stories from various places, GF included, about "jobs for the boys" etc... IF that is true, it needs to be stopped, and quickly...
GF should not be "an option to employ Bahraini's or anyone else regardless"...
If the country wants a competitive Airline, they need to employ competent staff, irrespective of nationality a bit like QR, EK or EY!!!!
I know that will not sit well with some, but at the end of the day, the Airline will only be successful pending who is running it and who is working for it - regardless of nationality!!
For the person that mentioned about cargo and no demand etc... DHL has been flying in excess of 20 flights a day, every day for the past 6 years to Iraq, Afghanistan, UAE, Saudi, Kuwait etc... they use GF for "some" cargo out of Bahrain to EU.... but thats it... so far!
Some of the posters here need a big reality check, and soon!
Cheers
JFF
What I see on this rapidly growing thread is lots of opinions, advice etc from "some pilots or others" of GF... the Pilots that are here to do a job etc are quite quiet! The question I have for the others, is at which point in a Pilot or Crews career are you educated, qualified and engaged at Management level to have an input in how to run an Airline?
So far I see people saying order more A330's, don't buy the Embraer, he's getting back handers, the EMB is no good etc... and so on... you do this based on what?? Aspiring to fly XXX type is hardly a business model is it folks!!!
Majali is quite possibly the best chance GF has, he has a PROVEN track record which others have not had, and will ever have... I don't work there but I hear so many times stories from various places, GF included, about "jobs for the boys" etc... IF that is true, it needs to be stopped, and quickly...
GF should not be "an option to employ Bahraini's or anyone else regardless"...
If the country wants a competitive Airline, they need to employ competent staff, irrespective of nationality a bit like QR, EK or EY!!!!
I know that will not sit well with some, but at the end of the day, the Airline will only be successful pending who is running it and who is working for it - regardless of nationality!!
For the person that mentioned about cargo and no demand etc... DHL has been flying in excess of 20 flights a day, every day for the past 6 years to Iraq, Afghanistan, UAE, Saudi, Kuwait etc... they use GF for "some" cargo out of Bahrain to EU.... but thats it... so far!
Some of the posters here need a big reality check, and soon!
Cheers
JFF
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How can an airline, no matter how small, even with a single aircraft, fly when "All those high-paying management, pilot and cabin crew jobs" are gone?
A remote-controlled aircraft?
I hate to say this but there's just too many ill-informed (or uninformed) people on this thread.
How can an airline, no matter how small, even with a single aircraft, fly when "All those high-paying management, pilot and cabin crew jobs" are gone?
A remote-controlled aircraft?
I hate to say this but there's just too many ill-informed (or uninformed) people on this thread.
Remote-controlled aircraft are not allowed in Bahrain, by the way.
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Let me quote again what you posted verbatim:
Let me know if you want me to spell it out for you.
Nice rebuttal on the remote-controlled aircraft though. I simply can't think of any other way an airplane would fly without a pilot unless it's an UAV.
Let me quote again what you posted verbatim:
Unfortunately, the only way to make a short-haul network profitable is to cut costs dramatically. Short-haul, full-service operators in Europe have taken the brunt of the downturn and I'm not sure that the Government of Bahrain fully realizes the implications of going down the short-haul road. All those high-paying management, pilot and cabin crew jobs are going to have to go. I suspect, therefore, that the hurt is only just beginning for Gulf Air.
Nice rebuttal on the remote-controlled aircraft though. I simply can't think of any other way an airplane would fly without a pilot unless it's an UAV.
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Justforfun, you used the classic GF pilot line......I don't work for GF LOL
But that doesn't matter, your 110% correct in your assessment.
Brandztag, you also hit the nail on the head, "with at least a HS education". That would be an elusive if not most difficult thing to obtain on the Island and it's Very Very sad ! The three Mouseketeers should be ashamed of themselves.
But that doesn't matter, your 110% correct in your assessment.
Brandztag, you also hit the nail on the head, "with at least a HS education". That would be an elusive if not most difficult thing to obtain on the Island and it's Very Very sad ! The three Mouseketeers should be ashamed of themselves.
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I don't work for GF... I am not a pilot but have been involved in all aspects of Aviation for around 22 yrs and as a Manager for around 16 of those, I have been living in Bahrain for around 6 years, and I WANT GF to succeed but I am quite astounded right now by some of the tosh here. I would not normally get involved in a discussion such as this, but jeez!
What I see on this rapidly growing thread is lots of opinions, advice etc from "some pilots or others" of GF... the Pilots that are here to do a job etc are quite quiet! The question I have for the others, is at which point in a Pilot or Crews career are you educated, qualified and engaged at Management level to have an input in how to run an Airline?
So far I see people saying order more A330's, don't buy the Embraer, he's getting back handers, the EMB is no good etc... and so on... you do this based on what?? Aspiring to fly XXX type is hardly a business model is it folks!!!
Majali is quite possibly the best chance GF has, he has a PROVEN track record which others have not had, and will ever have... I don't work there but I hear so many times stories from various places, GF included, about "jobs for the boys" etc... IF that is true, it needs to be stopped, and quickly...
GF should not be "an option to employ Bahraini's or anyone else regardless"...
If the country wants a competitive Airline, they need to employ competent staff, irrespective of nationality a bit like QR, EK or EY!!!!
I know that will not sit well with some, but at the end of the day, the Airline will only be successful pending who is running it and who is working for it - regardless of nationality!!
For the person that mentioned about cargo and no demand etc... DHL has been flying in excess of 20 flights a day, every day for the past 6 years to Iraq, Afghanistan, UAE, Saudi, Kuwait etc... they use GF for "some" cargo out of Bahrain to EU.... but thats it... so far!
Some of the posters here need a big reality check, and soon!
What I see on this rapidly growing thread is lots of opinions, advice etc from "some pilots or others" of GF... the Pilots that are here to do a job etc are quite quiet! The question I have for the others, is at which point in a Pilot or Crews career are you educated, qualified and engaged at Management level to have an input in how to run an Airline?
So far I see people saying order more A330's, don't buy the Embraer, he's getting back handers, the EMB is no good etc... and so on... you do this based on what?? Aspiring to fly XXX type is hardly a business model is it folks!!!
Majali is quite possibly the best chance GF has, he has a PROVEN track record which others have not had, and will ever have... I don't work there but I hear so many times stories from various places, GF included, about "jobs for the boys" etc... IF that is true, it needs to be stopped, and quickly...
GF should not be "an option to employ Bahraini's or anyone else regardless"...
If the country wants a competitive Airline, they need to employ competent staff, irrespective of nationality a bit like QR, EK or EY!!!!
I know that will not sit well with some, but at the end of the day, the Airline will only be successful pending who is running it and who is working for it - regardless of nationality!!
For the person that mentioned about cargo and no demand etc... DHL has been flying in excess of 20 flights a day, every day for the past 6 years to Iraq, Afghanistan, UAE, Saudi, Kuwait etc... they use GF for "some" cargo out of Bahrain to EU.... but thats it... so far!
Some of the posters here need a big reality check, and soon!
I see your point. But people kept on saying that "james hogan is quite possibly the best chance GF has"And that was obviously not true. same thing for Dose and BN. Plus, The airline has gone through several turn around programs and the plan just gets ridiculas ever year. So how do we know that this is a full proof plan?
we have no statictical value here either.
As far as i know GF, the management just keep on praising what ever the CEO says or does.They would even praise him when he would be setting the GF office on fire( being sarcastic here)