Gulf Air Developments

[T O G A Boy]

sorry to burst your bubble my friend but that word " racism " never existed in my vocabluary.. If you read my post properly, you will know what i meant.

Now regarding foreigners getting laid off. I dont agree with this,

About expats jumping ship, i have seen it happen with my very own eyes, albeit not every expat is the same. Many came to Gulf Air 3 years or so ago, with only propeller rating. They got A330 rating and they only worked for a max period of 12 - 15 months and they literally left. we all know that the bond's period is for 3 years....
Hope I'm more specific this time..

[bus_aviator]

Alright there toga girl, time to put it in full reverse habibi. Don't want to tell you how many have ventured through my country a time or two and then f&%$ed off for better opportunities. Welcome to globalization amigo.
But it's thanks to guys that have your outlook that GF is still in the dark ages.

PS. When you become TOGA MAN someone might have a little interest in hiring you as well,...than I want to see your patriotism.

Lets get back to the real issue, how much does an embraer bond cost nowadays?

[T O G A Boy]

Don't want to tell you how many have ventured through my country a time or two and then f&%$ed off for better opportunities. Welcome to globalization amigo.
But it's thanks to guys that have your outlook that GF is still in the dark ages.

you just answered yourself with a lot of contradictions.

Do you blame any country or company who gives priority to it's citizens.
Globalisation i agree, but not to bite the hand that feeds you.

I DONT NEED ANYBODY'S INTEREST TO HIRE ME CAUSE WHAT I HAVE NOW, YOU WILL ALWAYS DREAM OF HAVING , SUB AVIATOR

[bus_aviator]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news toga boy, but by the looks of it what "I dream of having" you might not have for too much longer as well. But I guess we can blame the expats that were here just ripping this country off.... right? Enjoy your embraer amigo.

Cheers

[T O G A Boy]

flying embraer or whatever, i am proud to have a job and a salary at the end of the month. As for you, to be honest i dont know what you're on about. hopping from topic to topic. get stable my friend.
peace and out.

[staff]

25% tickets discount .. 10 kg extra weight( for reporters ) !!

Why do you offer reporters 25% tickets discount and 10kg extra baggage allowance at this time?!

Is it to stop them to write the truth?!

We are not in Jordan ...

[left_to_first_class]

Having had time to study the 'Plan' in a bit more detail there are more questions than answers
As Gulf CEO mentions to add a new aircraft type to a fleet is not an overnight job and will take time to implement. Before you get the aircraft you want to make sure that the plane can actually get you there .... how many times have we heard that the version of the plane GF has does not have the range?
Yes more consultants earning more money for nothing -the Embraer plan was looked at by Hogan so nothing new there.
New destinations are welcome but negotiating rights is difficult at the most of time.

The back drop of this plan is that GF/Bahrain government wants to make the country a focal point for arab trade and tourism. Trade I can understand (and with Dubai's current problems, Bahrains banking laws would be most welcome) but tourism?
The only tourism I can see is Bahrain being the Las Vegas of the ME and we are not talking about casinos ..roll on traffic down Exhibition Road every night! Massage any one?

[mutt]

What sort of route structure are they planning for the E190? Why dont they avoid the new aircraft introduction costs and stick with the A318/319?

Mutt

[DesertHawk]

E190 is much cheaper to purchase and direct operating costs are much cheaper. it only needs to be half full to break even where 318/319 is much more expensive both ways. I heard directly that a study was done on crew costs etc.. with the e190 and it still came up on top. i dont think Majali is so stupid he would not know and look at this. I believe financially it is a good choice!

[staff]

New Aircrafts

From where we are going to get these new aircrafts?

Does the CEO know how long need to order new planes?

5 years ago Gulfair try to sell A340 but no one want to buy them so GF decide to keep them

A340 and A330 are going to be like tristar? grounded forever..

CEO must sit with senior captains to get some tips before he take any wrong decisions.

[mutt]

DesertHawk, having done a similar assessment, i understand the economics of the E-Jet, but it all depends on having a route structure for which the aircraft is suited. We have a domestic route structure for which the aircraft is perfectly suited, thats why I'm interested in the GF route structure.

Mutt

[DesertHawk]

mutt i agree with you. as it sits today it would not makes sense. As we know GF's route structure will change dramatically in the near future. This is why the E190's makes sense. I would like to be optimistic in saying the aircraft will fit the routes

STAFF: It will take some serious hardships to get rid of the 340's but they are a lame duck and it has to be done! what is your alternative? fly them and lose more money? also if u mean ask the senior guys about how to improve lifestyle and improve productivety in our operation i completely agee. On the other hand to ask them about our business model would be comical as most of our guys either dont know or care and it is not in their JOB description.

[Ali Baba]

WOULD NOT BOTHER TO ASK THE SENIOR CAPTAINS MOST OF THEM RESPONSIBLE OF GF PROBLEMS, THEY REALY DID A BIG F.....CK UP WHEN THEY WERE IN MANAGEMENT (THE AAAA, AND COUSINS), WE ALL KNOW THEM STILL TRYING TO GET IN MANAGEMENT AT ALL COST,THIS COMPANY BEEN RUIN BY OUR OWN PREVIOUS MANAGEMENT PILOTS AND NOW WHO DO WE BLAME?, THEY REALLY F....CK UP, REALLY GOOD. NOW WE EAT THEIR SH...........T REST OF OUR LIVES. MAJALI IS NEW HERE TRYING TO PICK ALL THE CHOLERA DIPPERS CLEANS AND SEE WHICH ONE IS RESUABLE, NOT HIS FAULT.
END OF THE THE DAY WE GET OUR SALARY AND GO HOME WHEN OUR SERVICE NO LONGER REQUIRE (ADVISE TO BRASSPLATE START POLISH YOUR C V. YOU ARE NOT A LOCAL, JUST A NUMBER)THIS IS NOT HOTEL CALIFORNIA., (YOU CAN CHECK IN BUT CANOT LEAVE) THE DAY YOU RESIGN NO ONE ASK WHYYYYYYY. ALSO WHEN THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE THEY WILL SHAFT YOU WITH TABASCO SCUD MISSILE ON YOUR BACKSIDE

[Skybeds]

This is probabaly the most depressing time for the Gulf air.The sad part is the way talal zain and majali misled every one.
They failed to mention that the plan was not created by them but as usual a miltimillion dollar consultant was hired to draw the plan.
Next question is if this company has any experience in the middle east market? The answer is no.
Did they do their home work while revealing the Embraer? did they come up with the figure that will cost mumtalakaat to intoduce a new fleet? well their answer was "we will work on it".
Did airbus and boeing agreed upon order cancellation? Airbus did not and boeing meeting still to go. what is penalty? no one knows.
Did iran and saudi agree to let gulfair operate to their regional market. no
Plan is to bring passengers from 20 new destinations and fly them with the other airlines to all around the world, so did they negtiate with any airline how they will split this high yield revenue.No
Did they carry out any study on any single new destination? wether it would be feasable operate, if there any passenger demand?No
All these destination are served by very cheap low cost airlines so would any passenger will be paying gulfair more more money for an embrear ride?
the new plan was revealed on assumptions and on uncalculated risks.
God help us all

Gulf air CEO i agree with you.however, calculation and research hasnt been carried out and the plan isnt finalized yet.
i have done my own research by asking some of the emplyees of SV and RJ,they keep on complaining that the engineers on emraers keep on getting those alert letters pointing out some manufacture defect. And that there was something wrong with the SVs E-170 in which they had to carry out 2 emergency landings within 1 month.

[samjetblaster]

Masallamah list

There is rumours that a lot of Pilots going to leave GF after the announcement of new plan.Is this true?

[T O G A Boy]

dont believe rumours. Everyday there are fresh rumours and strange ones too. One thing to keep in mind though, is to believe when you see..

[staff]

sky bed .. you are completly right

sky bed..

We grew up with Gulf Air and it's really hurts to see it going down to be a low cost airline..

I dont see Gulf Air future with this new plan.. does any one think that beside the staff who will leave GF, also loyal passengers will shift to other airlines, other airlines go for big aircrafts and we go for small aircrafts only!! why?

Dont tell me that we might lease some aircrafts from RJ .. 2 rubbish aircrafts and God bless us if CEO bring more.

[T O G A Boy]

spot on Staff. GF used to be an airline that british ppl used to prefer it over BA when travelling to London. Look at the company now. It's a shame that it will downsize due to it's financial disaster. But mind you, they were thinking of getting embraers during James Hogan days and fortunately it never happened. And i seriously hope it doesnt happen this time too.

[Dixons Cider]

There is rumours that a lot of Pilots going to leave GF after the announcement of new plan.Is this true?

be the clever thing to do!!

[hunter320]

heard some something that acctually might be a good idea for GF, part of the CEO's plan to cut staff would be to creat a new company in bahrain for ground handeling, and transfer a lot of GF staff to it, and off of GF's books. at the same time have our owne handeling at bahrain and finally get rid of BAS.
if true sounds like a good idea, the same way they transfered some staff to GAA (the new training compny).
eventually leaving GF's Operations streamlined in terms of staff and run as the core compny separate from all other parts.
GF's Books will look good, but dont know about Mumtalakat'.