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Profitability from new routes?
Making money on new routes will be difficult as return on investment on new routes would take years to make.
More investment for RJ? More money to be wasted.
New aircraft, new training, new simulator, and the list goes on. Wet-lease? FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD!
Selling A340s?
They are not Toyota Corolla and would take year(s) to get rid of them. Unless you sell them at a very deep discount, or with the condition that they are in, sell them like scrap metal.
Making money on new routes will be difficult as return on investment on new routes would take years to make.
More investment for RJ? More money to be wasted.
New aircraft, new training, new simulator, and the list goes on. Wet-lease? FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD!
Selling A340s?
They are not Toyota Corolla and would take year(s) to get rid of them. Unless you sell them at a very deep discount, or with the condition that they are in, sell them like scrap metal.
If the airline continues to lose money majali would try to cut costs by removing the lavatory from their airplane because no one uses them any more
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Maybe brassplate isn't the only one who is SAD after all. The whole situation is SAD. The plan is SAD. The whole airline is SAD. He does have a point if he is an expat. He may well be out of a job like me and many others.
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C'mon guys. I hear a lot of hand-wringing about the demise of First Class however let's face it, the business model of Gulf Air is broken (has been for years) and it is rare these days to have a "genuine" revenue First Class passenger. All those people who "want" first class certainly aren't ponying up the money to buy it.
Having experienced Etihad and Qatar Airways' business classes, I consider them equal or superior to Gulf Air's First Class product today. Simply put, First Class on Gulf Air has become irrelevent and it will be interesting to see what Mr. Majali's "Super-Business Class" will look like.
Here we go again with the trite malaise that affects GF in particular-- any new CEO is automatically viewed with contempt and labled as "corrupt" or a "fraud." No wonder that some in the industry consider the only way forward for Gulf Air is to shut it down and start a new airline, as has been done with a few other airlines in other countries.
Having experienced Etihad and Qatar Airways' business classes, I consider them equal or superior to Gulf Air's First Class product today. Simply put, First Class on Gulf Air has become irrelevent and it will be interesting to see what Mr. Majali's "Super-Business Class" will look like.
Here we go again with the trite malaise that affects GF in particular-- any new CEO is automatically viewed with contempt and labled as "corrupt" or a "fraud." No wonder that some in the industry consider the only way forward for Gulf Air is to shut it down and start a new airline, as has been done with a few other airlines in other countries.
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more comments from a non-specialist:
1. F/C shouldn't disappear but should be improved and this applies to the rest of the classes. GF's F/C is now Oman Air J/C (if i'm not mistaken as they just revealed their new cabin interiors), and its j and y cabins are way behind the other airlines in the Gulf. As I said before we should what and see the new interiors which will be designed by James Park (hope that they will choose the right colors this time, the colors which are used in the economy class cabin are horrible; grey and turquoise for the seats and gold for the carpets.... lots of colors!). Or GF should use the Virgin Atlantic model: (if f/c's aren't profitable enough) A super jc + premium economy+ regular economy.
2. Sin and HKG are good destinations to operate to as long as they are profitable. GF can consider reopening these destinations but through indirect flights for ex. it could do bah-kul-sin or bah-sin-kul, as both destinations are near each other, and there is good traffic between both cities. The same applies to hkg GF could resume its flights to HKG via BKK as it used to do before, i remember these flights used to be full during the festive seasons (why did GF end its services to HKG? Was it not profitable for them to go there?)
1. F/C shouldn't disappear but should be improved and this applies to the rest of the classes. GF's F/C is now Oman Air J/C (if i'm not mistaken as they just revealed their new cabin interiors), and its j and y cabins are way behind the other airlines in the Gulf. As I said before we should what and see the new interiors which will be designed by James Park (hope that they will choose the right colors this time, the colors which are used in the economy class cabin are horrible; grey and turquoise for the seats and gold for the carpets.... lots of colors!). Or GF should use the Virgin Atlantic model: (if f/c's aren't profitable enough) A super jc + premium economy+ regular economy.
2. Sin and HKG are good destinations to operate to as long as they are profitable. GF can consider reopening these destinations but through indirect flights for ex. it could do bah-kul-sin or bah-sin-kul, as both destinations are near each other, and there is good traffic between both cities. The same applies to hkg GF could resume its flights to HKG via BKK as it used to do before, i remember these flights used to be full during the festive seasons (why did GF end its services to HKG? Was it not profitable for them to go there?)
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Maybe brassplate isn't the only one who is SAD after all. The whole situation is SAD. The plan is SAD. The whole airline is SAD. He does have a point if he is an expat. He may well be out of a job like me and many others.
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HRH CROWN PRINCE RECEIVES AL ZAIN AND MAJALI
date: 25 11, 2009
MANAMA, NOV. 25. (BNA) HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS CROWN PRINCE SALMAN BIN HAMAD AL KHALIFA, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD CHAIRMAN TODAY LAUDED GULF AIR (GA)'S ENORMOUS PLANS AND PRACTICAL EFFORTS WHICH WILL ENSURE ITS FUTURE SUCCESS AND CONTINUITY.
THIS CAME AS HRH CROWN PRINCE RECEIVED TODAY AT RIFFAA PALACE BAHRAIN MUMTALAKAT HOLDING COMPANY BOARD CHAIRMAN TALAL AL-ZAIN AND GULF AIR CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER SAMER AL MAJALI WHO UPDATED HIM ON GA'S DETAILED FUTURE PLANS. HRH CROWN PRINCE PRAISED THE ORIGINAL AND REASONABLE PLAN, WISHING THAT GA WILL BENEFIT CITIZENS IN SPITE OF THE DIFFICULTIES IT FACES CURRENTLY. TALAL AL ZAIN AND SAMER AL MAJALI ALSO INFORMED HRH CROWN PRINCE OF THE PROCEDURES TAKEN TO REVIEW THE PREVIOUS ALLOWANCES AND THE CREATION OF NEW ONES TO PROTECT THE COMPANY'S EMPLOYEES. TALAL AL ZAIN AND SAMER AL MAJALI EXTENDED THEIR THANKS TO HRH CROWN PRINCE AND AFFIRMED THAT HIS INCESSANT SUPPORT AND DIRECTIVES HAVE MOTIVATED THEM AND ALL EMPLOYEES TO EXERT MORE EFFORTS TO PRESERVE AND DEVELOP THIS NATIONAL COMPANY. PRESENT WERE HEAD OF CROWN PRINCE'S COURT SHAIKH KHALIFA BIN DUAIJ AND HRH CROWN PRINCE'S ADVISOR SHAIKH AHMED BIN KHALIFA. WHQ 25-NOV-2009 20:21
date: 25 11, 2009
MANAMA, NOV. 25. (BNA) HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS CROWN PRINCE SALMAN BIN HAMAD AL KHALIFA, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD CHAIRMAN TODAY LAUDED GULF AIR (GA)'S ENORMOUS PLANS AND PRACTICAL EFFORTS WHICH WILL ENSURE ITS FUTURE SUCCESS AND CONTINUITY.
THIS CAME AS HRH CROWN PRINCE RECEIVED TODAY AT RIFFAA PALACE BAHRAIN MUMTALAKAT HOLDING COMPANY BOARD CHAIRMAN TALAL AL-ZAIN AND GULF AIR CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER SAMER AL MAJALI WHO UPDATED HIM ON GA'S DETAILED FUTURE PLANS. HRH CROWN PRINCE PRAISED THE ORIGINAL AND REASONABLE PLAN, WISHING THAT GA WILL BENEFIT CITIZENS IN SPITE OF THE DIFFICULTIES IT FACES CURRENTLY. TALAL AL ZAIN AND SAMER AL MAJALI ALSO INFORMED HRH CROWN PRINCE OF THE PROCEDURES TAKEN TO REVIEW THE PREVIOUS ALLOWANCES AND THE CREATION OF NEW ONES TO PROTECT THE COMPANY'S EMPLOYEES. TALAL AL ZAIN AND SAMER AL MAJALI EXTENDED THEIR THANKS TO HRH CROWN PRINCE AND AFFIRMED THAT HIS INCESSANT SUPPORT AND DIRECTIVES HAVE MOTIVATED THEM AND ALL EMPLOYEES TO EXERT MORE EFFORTS TO PRESERVE AND DEVELOP THIS NATIONAL COMPANY. PRESENT WERE HEAD OF CROWN PRINCE'S COURT SHAIKH KHALIFA BIN DUAIJ AND HRH CROWN PRINCE'S ADVISOR SHAIKH AHMED BIN KHALIFA. WHQ 25-NOV-2009 20:21
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i remember these flights used to be full during the festive seasons (why did GF end its services to HKG? Was it not profitable for them to go there?)
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Brass is taking some time out from this thread. Please add him to your IGNORE list, works wonders.
Please keep things nice, or the post gets binned.
EGGW
Censorship, alive and well in da gulf
Please keep things nice, or the post gets binned.
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Censorship, alive and well in da gulf
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From one of the industries best First Class service to this. How sad
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Truly sad if you could ever now compare with the service shown by this "oldie": 1976 | 0504 | Flight Archive
narrow body livery .2 class configuration.
Hecvk even oman air would even get ahead of GF?
Majali should think about this plan once more
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Brass is taking some time out from this thread. Please add him to your IGNORE list, works wonders.
Please keep things nice, or the post gets binned.
EGGW
Censorship, alive and well in da gulf
Please keep things nice, or the post gets binned.
EGGW
Censorship, alive and well in da gulf
I'm tending to agree with you. Hey EGGW, please tell us you're not being paid by GF!!!
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Why is it that anytime someone starts telling the truth they get banned from this site? I thought that was the whole point of pprune, pick and filter the truth out of the 90% bull*&%$ that is posted on here...so that we get some sort of idea of what is happening in these airlines...and mr. mediator brassplate is bang on this time.
Shame shame mediator, BRASSPLATE GETS BACK ON!!!!
or is it time for pprune 2 ?
Shame shame mediator, BRASSPLATE GETS BACK ON!!!!
or is it time for pprune 2 ?
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Brassplate
Brassplate
I don't agree with you, Bus aviator
this is a rumour network not a place to curse or being racist, as far as I know he's not even working for Gulfair anymore don't understand why he's holding such a grudge.
bastard 
bahrainis.
they did not want to listen to the same idea from the 'infidel' andré dosé but are happy to listen to a fellow arab. really shows the mentality here.
had they listened back then, imagine the millions that could have been saved!
bahrainis. they did not want to listen to the same idea from the 'infidel' andré dosé but are happy to listen to a fellow arab. really shows the mentality here.
had they listened back then, imagine the millions that could have been saved!
****er320,
i was not talking about majali. i was talking about the smartarses who hire and fire the ceos...the board members...and in extension, the shura group, the parliament members, the government, the bahrainis. a good example is you with your lack of understanding of my accusations.
CUT OUT THE INSULTS EGGW
i was not talking about majali. i was talking about the smartarses who hire and fire the ceos...the board members...and in extension, the shura group, the parliament members, the government, the bahrainis. a good example is you with your lack of understanding of my accusations.
CUT OUT THE INSULTS EGGW
this is a rumour network not a place to curse or being racist, as far as I know he's not even working for Gulfair anymore don't understand why he's holding such a grudge.
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True this is a rumour network and each and every one of us has their opinion.
But racist remarks have no place here nor in our world today. And thats exactly what Brass did " being racist"
Now regarding foreigners getting laid off. I dont agree with this, but do you blame Gulf Air as a company who type rated many foreigners and they just vanished after getting enough hours to join other airlines. They treated GF as a gateway to their aviation world, whereas a local would have served his company with dignity and loyalty...
But racist remarks have no place here nor in our world today. And thats exactly what Brass did " being racist"
Now regarding foreigners getting laid off. I dont agree with this, but do you blame Gulf Air as a company who type rated many foreigners and they just vanished after getting enough hours to join other airlines. They treated GF as a gateway to their aviation world, whereas a local would have served his company with dignity and loyalty...
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This is probabaly the most depressing time for the Gulf air.The sad part is the way talal zain and majali misled every one.
They failed to mention that the plan was not created by them but as usual a miltimillion dollar consultant was hired to draw the plan.
Next question is if this company has any experience in the middle east market? The answer is no.
Did they do their home work while revealing the Embraer? did they come up with the figure that will cost mumtalakaat to intoduce a new fleet? well their answer was "we will work on it".
Did airbus and boeing agreed upon order cancellation? Airbus did not and boeing meeting still to go. what is penalty? no one knows.
Did iran and saudi agree to let gulfair operate to their regional market. no
Plan is to bring passengers from 20 new destinations and fly them with the other airlines to all around the world, so did they negtiate with any airline how they will split this high yield revenue.No
Did they carry out any study on any single new destination? wether it would be feasable operate, if there any passenger demand?No
All these destination are served by very cheap low cost airlines so would any passenger will be paying gulfair more more money for an embrear ride?
the new plan was revealed on assumptions and on uncalculated risks.
God help us all
They failed to mention that the plan was not created by them but as usual a miltimillion dollar consultant was hired to draw the plan.
Next question is if this company has any experience in the middle east market? The answer is no.
Did they do their home work while revealing the Embraer? did they come up with the figure that will cost mumtalakaat to intoduce a new fleet? well their answer was "we will work on it".
Did airbus and boeing agreed upon order cancellation? Airbus did not and boeing meeting still to go. what is penalty? no one knows.
Did iran and saudi agree to let gulfair operate to their regional market. no
Plan is to bring passengers from 20 new destinations and fly them with the other airlines to all around the world, so did they negtiate with any airline how they will split this high yield revenue.No
Did they carry out any study on any single new destination? wether it would be feasable operate, if there any passenger demand?No
All these destination are served by very cheap low cost airlines so would any passenger will be paying gulfair more more money for an embrear ride?
the new plan was revealed on assumptions and on uncalculated risks.
God help us all
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When will they ever learn?
Nothing changes. In days of yore when outside influence was brought in as so called "Experts" the rot began to set in.
One of the many brought in was SAS, who were multi-national owned similar to Gulf Air. At the time of their advice, they too were having their own problems. And so it went on.
When will they ever learn?
One of the many brought in was SAS, who were multi-national owned similar to Gulf Air. At the time of their advice, they too were having their own problems. And so it went on.
When will they ever learn?