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0.. most pilots in GF are used to flying the 340, 330s and the 320 series. most pilots would apply for a job in some other airline other than downgrading their profession.
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Rumour is initially 2 175s and 2 190s on a trial basis.
I guess the 175s will suit the soon to be announced....Muharraq to Sarr flights initially, with extensions to Sitra on the weekends.
I guess the 175s will suit the soon to be announced....Muharraq to Sarr flights initially, with extensions to Sitra on the weekends.
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guys something is very rotten here, what's with the goschtoppel approach from upstairs...and their sh&*% e-mail. Would you like to transfer to a new aircraft?....oh but wait we won't tell you the type, seniority rearrangements...or SALARY. I know Christmas time is around the corner, I want my surprise when I open the present, not when I join a new fleet. To those upstairs...wake up...the Airbus pilots still have options and places to go. Start treating us like grown-ups and we'll probably do the same, turn the cards over and let's see what hand the dealer delt ya.
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It is possible, bus_aviator, that this is just a formality so that nobody complains that they weren't asked. Seniority is a double-edged sword. If there are no people requesting it (which would normally be entertained from top seniority downwards), then they would likely start selecting the most junior people (from bottom seniority upwards). For certain, Airbus pilots have options available but I can appreciate that Gulf Air is also trying to run a business. Personally, I prefer to see them advertise and fill these vacancies internally rather than get Direct Entry Captains and FO's and then surplusing Airbus pilots as they become redundant.
But as you said, a lot of details are missing and it will be interesting to learn more as events unfold. Staying tuned!
But as you said, a lot of details are missing and it will be interesting to learn more as events unfold. Staying tuned!
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touk, salary is not the same, if you are shooting a 4 sector, as Che so nicely put it...saar...arad...etc, or doing a long run with a layover...do the math friend. PJ I agree with you but we're not sitting at a poker table as i mentioned earlier, show us the cards ( show me the money 
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Guys, the plan has been working nicely for people upstair.
How many guys left and are leaving ing 2009? It must be 20+.
With uncertainty cloud hanging over GF and all the BS they are flooding into the market, we are seeing mass exodus in 2010.
Heard that EY and QR are coming to the rescue.
How many guys left and are leaving ing 2009? It must be 20+.
With uncertainty cloud hanging over GF and all the BS they are flooding into the market, we are seeing mass exodus in 2010.
Heard that EY and QR are coming to the rescue.
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From what I've been told, salary and same pay scales apply, your paycheck may vary due the amount of hours/ time away from base may differ. waiting the final verdict..
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I really doubt that anyone is going to volunteer to be downgraded & if there are a few around I would recommend that they go for some pyscho test cuz something must be wrong mentally! So guys get ready to be forced onto your new fleet & enjoy doing 6 sector days flying around Saudi Arabia, Iran & Iraq. Suddenly the 320 fleet looks quite exotic.
QRs package seems to have dropped:
Captains
QRs package seems to have dropped:
Captains
- Tax free salary of approximately $9500 USD (assuming 70 block hours).
- Tax free salary of approximately $6600 USD (assuming 70 block hours).
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767, I guess I should believe you rather than the Qatar Airways site.
Flight Deck Crew Benefits | Qatar Airways
That's the new package as I mentioned in my previous post. Everyone can read but not everyone can comprehend.
Flight Deck Crew Benefits | Qatar Airways
That's the new package as I mentioned in my previous post. Everyone can read but not everyone can comprehend.
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I always thought there was something odd about the losses that we keep getting told we are making & here is a good example.
According to our management we are expected to post losses of US$500 million for 2009.
Gulf Air expects $500m loss in 2009 - paper - Transportation - ArabianBusiness.com
Then according to IATA the combined losses for the Middle East region are
US$1.2 billion.
Mideast airline losses seen falling to $300m in 2010 - Travel & Hospitality - ArabianBusiness.com
So 41% of the losses in the region are Gulf Air's???
With Emirates having over 130 airplanes, Qatar over 70 & Etihad over 50 it doesn't add up that with just our 32 airplanes that we are in such bad shape??? Also, the losses projected by IATA for the region include a few other carriers as well. One word-STEALING!!!
According to our management we are expected to post losses of US$500 million for 2009.
Gulf Air expects $500m loss in 2009 - paper - Transportation - ArabianBusiness.com
Then according to IATA the combined losses for the Middle East region are
US$1.2 billion.
Mideast airline losses seen falling to $300m in 2010 - Travel & Hospitality - ArabianBusiness.com
So 41% of the losses in the region are Gulf Air's???
With Emirates having over 130 airplanes, Qatar over 70 & Etihad over 50 it doesn't add up that with just our 32 airplanes that we are in such bad shape??? Also, the losses projected by IATA for the region include a few other carriers as well. One word-STEALING!!!
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With Emirates having over 130 airplanes, Qatar over 70 & Etihad over 50 it doesn't add up that with just our 32 airplanes that we are in such bad shape??? Also, the losses projected by IATA for the region include a few other carriers as well. One word-STEALING!!!
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I always look at the bright side, and have every intention of seeing it out, and like my job and my life here, but skybeds, your comments are stupid..ok??
not all of them, but the last one was yes...
not all of them, but the last one was yes...
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I always look at the bright side, and have every intention of seeing it out, and like my job and my life here, but skybeds, your comments are stupid..ok??
not all of them, but the last one was yes...
not all of them, but the last one was yes...
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It can be done!
MEA's profits in 2009 to exceed $100 million as company plans new routes - Worldnews.com
That's net profit btw...all with 13 planes! What's GF's problem(and a few other Arab carriers for that matter?)
That's net profit btw...all with 13 planes! What's GF's problem(and a few other Arab carriers for that matter?)
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To whom it may concern,
No matter what turnaround programe you are putting into place, GF will never turn to profit, unless you deal with the corruption and internal fraud.
Sorry, but it is a fact and I am sure you are aware of it. But can you do something about it. Because if you dig real deep, it could go very high up.
You see those new bottles of water with GF logo on it.
Do you know how much catering charge GF for it? Assuming they load and charge GF 500 bottles a day. (If GF use only 300, they take those 200s back, but already charged 500 bottles)
No matter what turnaround programe you are putting into place, GF will never turn to profit, unless you deal with the corruption and internal fraud.
Sorry, but it is a fact and I am sure you are aware of it. But can you do something about it. Because if you dig real deep, it could go very high up.
You see those new bottles of water with GF logo on it.
Do you know how much catering charge GF for it? Assuming they load and charge GF 500 bottles a day. (If GF use only 300, they take those 200s back, but already charged 500 bottles)
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Don't forget the special "Cockpit trash bags" I just wonder which board member is profitting from that.
There is no real attempt by the government to root out the corruption(probably since some of the board are involved) & until that is addressed it is impossible for this company to survive.
Remember the 777 deal did any of the board get censured for that?
There is no real attempt by the government to root out the corruption(probably since some of the board are involved) & until that is addressed it is impossible for this company to survive.
Remember the 777 deal did any of the board get censured for that?