young nasty man

So does that mean that if you guys get it back, that your salary,transport allowance and housing allowance all go up? Will your sector pay increase too?

Seems to me that they would need to, if they want to attract pilots in the numbers that they need!!

Can't see someboby jumping from the likes of FR to FZ for that money!

CaptGlenQuagmire

The latest twist from the FD website ;

Selection process

flydubai has partnered with CTC Aviation Group plc (www.ctcaviation.com) on pilot selection. All initial pilot assessment activity takes place at CTC's Crew Selection Centre in the UK with successful applicants being invited to Dubai for final interview.

Candidates invited to an initial assessment in the UK attend at their own expense but, if successful, flydubai will provide a return ticket from an Emirates Airline network destination to Dubai for the final interview phase. flydubai will also provide hotel accommodation in Dubai for candidates during this final stage.

Because we invest heavily in this selection process, we ask candidates who are invited to attend the initial selection process to contribute towards the cost when the assessment date is confirmed. The charge is GBP 150 and is fully refundable on successful appointment to flydubai. The refund will be applied for at the time of joining. Unfortunately, a refund cannot be provided to unsuccessful candidates.

Jihad Jim

Anyone in any doubt as to FDs low cost credentials can now rest easy.

scoteros

Captain Mainwaring,

It seems that insulting is the only thing you do but you should maybe also just accept that some people don't have the same view as you have...

You will find pilots happy at Ryanair , British Airways , Virgin Atlantic etc... and at the same time some are not at all...

It doesn't necessarily means that the one happy are all management stooges as you seem to think.

Nobody will never force you to join Flydubai if you don't want to and I will never insult you because you think it is not worth , so please don't insult those who think it is worth to do so....

Just respect the fact that diversity exist on earth...

doublesector

Scoteros, Glad youre happy with FD, and the great lifestlye it has to offer

scoteros

Doublesector,

It is funny that people complain when they have to pay 150 for an interview with FZ when thousand of pilots in Europe have paid 250 Euros to Ryanair to be able to send their CV get an interview and do a sim check...

If you want to compare FZ with other companies you have to compare with other low cost airlines and not EK.

Also EK is operating B777 , A330/340/380 , B747 and not B737 and you should know that in our industry the bigger the aircraft the more you are paid...

So comparing the package on offer to EK with the one in FZ is not ( for me ) relevant.

To finish on the subject , you must know that some pilots have had the opportunity to join EK at the same time than FZ and they have chosen FZ...

Between starting as a captain in FZ and starting as a first officer at EK , do you math again and you will see that the package is not as good as you seem to think.

But again , as I have said to captain Mainwaring before , diversity is part of our world and what sound nice to you may not be the case for me and vice versa...

If tomorrow EK comes to me and offer me a position in their company , I will refuse it.
I have met pilots for the last 15 years who were flying for EK or are still flying there and with what I have heart , I prefer to be in FZ.
I can even tell you that 2 pilots that I know have left EK ( captain B777 ) to join Ryanair last year...

So you see...

olster

Scoteros - EK are highly unlikely to offer you the gig with them (that you will turn down)tomorrow as flydubai have negotiated a 2 year lock -in for the troops.Your rose -tinted view of fz does not accord with the vast majority of pilots that I speak with.I have not heard of 1 pilot who turned down EK for FZ and they would be insane to do so.

concretewall

I know for sure there is pilotS who has choosen FZ for EK,but.. it was based on that they didn't want to give up their left seat.
It's two completely diff jobs so i don't really understand why the discussion is here.
Seems like there's pilots happy/unhappy in both airlines..

standardboeing

concretewall you’re right about pilots being happy/unhappy in both airlines but morale within FZ is now dreadful. Thank goodness the architect of the ‘b-scale’ has left (to manage the spicegirls) but who knows which useless moron will replace him. We need some good news fast.

doublesector

As you said scoteros, for you its not relevant.

For anyone else considering the move to Dubai, they would be daft not to compare whats on offer here.

The Ryanair of middle east wants your cash !

Maj09

Guys

Read again? no fee for application and the "security deposit" for assessment is....fully refundable on successful appointment to flydubai....

Confident in your abilities and serious about a move.....no issue......it is your choice after all?.....let's not make it sound like we are all foced to fly for the companies we do......or apply for jobs we clearly wish someone would just hand to us!!!!!

B787J

Theres been a lot of crap said here that ain't true.

lets start with the 2 year agreement with Ek - was actually initiated by EK themselves and not FZ.

Around the rostering bit - comeon you cry babies the airline is over 15 months into operations, its not perfect but at least they are trying to make things with the new AIMS system , management is always looking at ways to improve conditions and work morale, how many airlines in the world actually do that .

look at the command upgrades happening within 15 months of First Officers joining in.

My advise to you guys would be do not come here and be MISERABLE and make other MISERABLE you would doing yourselves and FZ a favor

If you ask me, this is a wonderful ariline to work for ... Off course it is not prefect , but NO AIRLINE in the world is. The good part though is that people enjoy working in it and would be a good airline to work for.

FZ is always looking at ways it can find to improve and be more efficient for this industry.

Lastly you cannot compare the airline to EK, its like comparing Apples to Oranges !!!

Anyway .... cheers and come and join FZ

scoteros

It seems that with B787J , I am not the only one anymore to be quite happy at FZ...

Of course I agree 100% with what B787J have said above...and hope that more people with positive thinking will join instead of negative minded people.

olster

B787J,using your excruciating grammar and spelling you seem to want to promote the notion along with your new pal,Scoteros that flydubai is a wonderful 'ariline' (sic).The vast majority of posts on this particular thread have generally been accurate -I wish it weren't so.The fact remains that the roster remains random and chaotic,leaving the circadian rhythm in tatters at the end of a 6 day tour.Pilot morale is low and there appears little enthusiasm from the upper tiers of the company to correct this.Unfortunately,for most,this is not a wonderful ariline at all.Fear not,at the end of the bond period,many will be taking your advice and departing.

FZckntkawrap

For the chaps that came from airlines with low reputations that feel coming to work in fear for your job is the norm, than yes flydubai would be a small step up in life. For those that come from, shall we say, more established airlines, it is a step backwards even by lowcost standards. The problem is they brought pilots in with many years of experience on the promise that this "would be your last interview", "you will never want to leave", "Southwest of the middle-east", and everyones favorite "you do the math". Even if you forget the rosters and just concentrate on the management aspect this place is no where near anything like Southwest.

FYI. The 2 year no EK ban was not from EK, it was directly from the top at flydubai.....

AIMS could make everyone's roster better, but the users are clueless and won't let go of any control over the pilot group. They want to roster us like office workers, end of story......

commmand upgrades in 15 months? Got your app in? Welcome to rocket school!

"People" don't enjoy working in it. Everytime I go in the briefing room "people" are complaining about 6on/2off rosters with changing work patterns, getting sick from crew food, split A/B pay scales, lack of information from management, our top notch safety department that puts out soooooo much useful information to make the operation soooooo much safer, and the snazzy uniforms (hey, at least they are free right? and they get you a free drink at JBR security guard appreciation night!)

Spit The Dummie

olster - B787J is almost certainly a new hire. Previous posts suggest a F/O from Qatar Airways?, who seems to have swallowed FZs interview promises hook, line, and sphincter… doh! Just give it a few months and wait for them to be back on here with a change of view!

FZckntkawrap - You mention the safety department. Did you know that the COO's recent weekly update, supposedly penned by the Manager SMS, was nothing more than cut + paste of definitions from the FAA and Wiki?! Whilst the COOs intention might have been to promote the black-ops guy as some sort of 'safety guru' the truth is easily determined.

And is it true that the person who heads rostering in flydubai was previously sacked from the same job in Etihad for incompetence? By all accounts the GCAA were so appalled at Etihad's rosters they very nearly pulled its AOC. Maybe this explains why rosters in flydubai have been so bad? Having AIMS will make little difference all the time that someone of this caliber is tinkering at the edges!

FZckntkawrap

I guess my sarcasm was a little bit over the top with regards to flydubai's safety "guru".....

park360

spit the dummie!

I have been a dummie myself like you not to know what happens on the other side...until i spent some time . All i can say is...get used to another day another dollar concept...not sure what u expect... don't brood and moan when you can leave and go to greener pastures...I guess all that takes B..... by the way...you got yr facts wrong about the head of rostering guy...he is ex.EY and is well known among the instructor group there..I believe he was asked to join he left EY. Personally...with all the complexities involved I reckon he's doing a good job. the problem is in our expectations.

doublesector

Park....

Thats hilarious, the best laugh I've had on here for a while !

You clearly have this months golden roster.

For the rest of us, it is a total shambles. The constant use of 18-24hr rest periods after 2-3am finishes is utterly soul destroying. I know of guys reporting at 1:00 am having been awake for 13 hrs at the start of a duty. The circadian rhythm is virtually non existant by the end of each duty block. Personally, I have never felt so unhealthy in all my life.

We have all heard the stories here about guys missing radio calls (and worse) because they have fallen asleep. Its still happening. To date none of this has been addressed and there's a notable silence from Mr saftey in response to reports & asr's concerning fatigue. Don't even mention the ROSI that was filed to the GCAA.

Hopefully it will improve, meanwhile it's and accident waiting to happen and not sustainable.

Good Job........

park360

Doublesector,

I don't think you are reporting the facts, I was incapacitated for a while and during that time i was able to spend a lot of time with the rostering team...All I can say is..get out of the kitchen if you cant stand the heat