CFM-56NG

Basic salaryAED 17,000Housing allowanceAED 12,000Transportation allowanceAED 1,700Variable flying pay
(based on working an 80-hour month)AED 8,000Projected totalAED 38,700
OK ...
considering all the bs made by ctc aviation ... is the salary worth the sacrifice????
I am considering to try however i am in doubt about aply to ek or fd for a reason .... salary and benefits ( considering i am a young f/o around 2000hrs on ng's) fly dubai seems to pay a lil more considering you can save the accomodation allowance, and i dont know if this is possible with ek.. having i ll be on right seat for at least couple more years till qualify for cpt training
however the workload seems to be compatible with what im flying today around 85hrs/m
by the way how the accomodation allowance is paid??? in one shot or comes within the salary???
how are the rent rates in dubai ??? can you find some reasonable apt for 60k?????
how about days off and night flying??? very long?
fd seems to upgrade faster than ek dont know if is that real...
can anyone enlight me on that one????


i ve been in dubai years ago and worked for ek as ground crew so i know what to expect from ek and dubai as a city ... but how about fd????
should i seat on my company for few more hours and try to aply for ek???

scoteros

Dear CFM-56NG,

This topic has been already covered before.

Personally I don't understand how we can compare EK and FZ as there are two completely different airlines.

What do you want ?

If you want to fly big aircraft , stay in hotels all over the world with up to 26 cabin crew members , wear classic pilot uniform with a hat etc... then choose EK.

Now if you prefer to be home more often , avoid to sleep at outstation , wear a more relax uniform with no hat and no jacket , walk to your aircraft with only 4 cabin crew members and are not frustrated to fly smaller airplane , then choose FZ.

I don't think that one is worse or better than another , it's just completely different business.

About the command upgrade it is like everywhere else , if you are there at the right time with the minimum requirement and the fleet is growing rapidly then your command upgrade will be quicker...

For the time being one copilot has been upgraded at FZ after just one year ; it will be like this for the ones who joined early BUT who knows what it will be for the others ?

On top of that out of the 3 first copilots send for the upgrade only one , so far , has been successful ( one failed the interview , the second the simulator training )
By the way the one who passed had more than 10500 hours total time with thousand of hours as captain on other smaller jet aircraft so...

This kind of choice is so personal that you are the only one able to decide BUT before doing so ask the right questions to get all the information you need to make YOUR right decision...

Good luck

olster

Choose FZ over EK? Now that is hilarious.Satire is alive and well.

PGP737

I went as well on the 9th Nov. at CTC... I paid a lot of money just to see my self getting fool, by the HR of CTC!!! I have many thousant hours on the B737 and I didn't pass the evidence based interview. Good luck to the 3 guys that did it.

FZckntkawrap

In all fairness to FZ, the first several classes of FO's had people with high flight time, but 0 737 time. A few months later the company started hiring 737 qual'd FOs only. Those chaps are now coming up on the 12 months since initial line check and are being interviewed for command. The SFO's that didn't have the 1,000 737 time will have it shortly and will interview as well......it's only a matter of time.

doublesector

The current recruitment system is a croc of sh1te, and will not last long as FZ will be parking up aircraft due to lack of crew. Even guys upstairs are concerned about recruitment..and RETENTION even more so. Brace yourselves for some busy months ahead guys. New a/c imminent, but not enough recruits.

Still many issues at Fd to that make it unattractive to many. How many consec days off do you get ? Are you getting 80 hrs flying and the 16 days off as promised? The present leave system is a awful. Why bid for the whole year but only get the leave confirmed just weeks in advance? Rosters, confirmation of days off and leave are all left to the last minute. Are your leave plans working out? Have you Experienced the joy of making a medical claim here at FZ? Even the CP and COO had to either stump up the $$$, or go back to the U.S as the medical cover at FZ is utterly Inadequate. Massive bond for guys already type rated. Add all this to the Ctc experience and it's not terribly attractive right now. It might just convince guys to look elsewhere and consider long haul.

At fd you PAY your money first, THEN you make your choice.

scoteros

Doublesector,

As said before , if you are so disappointed by FZ and it is a so bad company to work for , why do you stay ?

Five pilots have resigned recently and a few other already left the company , so feel free to go where it's greener...

But before leaving , have also a look to other threads like the one about Emirates , Qatar Airways , Etihad etc... and you will see that it seems that pilots think like you about these companies.

You will never find a company where everybody is happy and you will always find people to see the bad points and not the good ones BUT as far as I can see all the so called bad companies still find pilots to fly their airplanes.

Even a company where the CEO says that he would like to replace the first officer by a cabin crew member is still finding pilots to fly his airplane so....

Hope you will find you dream airline

PS:Just a thought , if pilots were using their energy to unite and to bring changes in their company instead of complaining all the time , maybe things would be different...

doublesector

You do agree the above is correct though?

Potential joiners might like to be aware of the pitfalls before they shell out £150, plus flights and accomodation to join FD.

Youre right, all airlines have good and bad points, and It would appear all airlines in the ME have similar issues. (some worse than others)

But, surely the downsides can be discussed here without being given the ''dont like it, then leave'' line. That sounds like a management quote and wont solve anything. As for uniting and sorting the problems, a good idea, but does anyone think that will work here? There was an attempt to set up a pilot group / roster commitee etc in the first few months, but the idea was quashed. Maybe different now.

scoteros

Doublesector,

I agree only partially with you but my goal was not at all to be nasty with you or to push you or anybody else to leave...

It is not because I am saying something positive that I am from the management.There are also normal line pilot ( Cpt and F/o ) quite happy here even if they all agree that there are things to be improved...

I also agree that the downsides have to be discussed but not ONLY the downsides , each time some of my friends ask me about the company I try to give them all the information at once ( good and bad ) and I let them decide.
Because your post was titled "SAVE YOUR MONEY...GO ELSEWHERE ! "
Which , according to me , does not leave any other outcome that it is not worth to join that company...

I totally agree that leaving will not sort out anything and that's why I have also told you to look at the other threads before taking your decision as I think it is not brighter in plenty of other airlines that we could have the opportunity to join...

I personally have raised the CTC recruitment issue to the management and as I have told you if we were talking to each other ( united ) we could agree to ask every pilot to raise the problem and then maybe things could start to change.

Many guys I meet and who are not very happy about what is going on here , when I ask them "what have you done about it ?" Most of the time I got this answer " nothing "

That's where the problem is , of course we can not create a union in this country but I am sure there is a smart way to deal slowly with the problems we are facing by taking our responsibility.

That was the all meaning of my answer to your post.

Of course it will be easier for us if we could convince all the pilots not to join the company and then they will have no other choice than to raise the conditions and be nicer with us but as soon as the pilot force will be in place then we will be quickly back to where we were , that's why I don't really like that way of doing.
It would be better to all agree on something that we want and to go and discuss it with the management.
And don't say it is not possible here , it is possible , as long as we are smart enough to talk to each other and stay united.
If it is to do like in some European low cost companies where each time the management is nasty with one pilot who dared to raise his voice the others don't move a finger then of course it will not be possible...

DQ4

Will the Terms and Conditions be returned to the original offered at the beginning?

piloten23

hi guys

anybody who went for the assesment for flydubai recently, that could give any tips about what they do on these test in CTC OR IN DUBAI

HAVE AN ASSESMENT SOON

turbine100

As someone trying to get a foot in the door in the industry with 500 hours, AOC work on light aircraft and trained part-time, around a full time job to pay for my JAA license etc as I went. (Same as many others etc) I find it really frustrating that CTC come along, especially the fact that you have to go through them and no longer direct, attend the same selection as someone wanting to train from scratch on a cadet scheme, when someone like myself has a license, bit of experience and no debts as I worked bloody hard.

Personally I am at a point where I don't mind paying towards a TR if tied to a job and gets my foot in the door on a common type.

However I would rather be able to apply directly to airline without the CTC bit and knowing they affect the T&C's etc of those experienced on type.

Happy days and wish you guys all the best at Fly Dubai

Oh, if anyone knows of any F/O jobs, please PM me

PGP737

@turbine100
You are not british that's why ctc aviation rejected you!
My too!

travelin12

Hi, I have read alot of stuff about the CTC interview. Does anyone have any specific info as to the process? What is the "evidence based" interview all about. Received an invite for the interview but wanted to do some research before I spend 150GRP for nothing. Current and qualified B737NG Captain with over 16000 TT USA Passport. Thanks to all who can shed some light on CTC.

travelin12

I have an FAA waiver for defective color vision. Does anyone know whether the UAE GCAA accepts that? I reviewed the medical standards in their regulations and it seems there is some tolerance. I have an upcoming CTC assessment and don't want to throw away the 150GBP and travel expense for nothing.

thanks...

expatinaction

Does anyone have a number for FlyDubai please????

olster

0800-150-ripoff

Voodoo 3

Shouldn't that instead be 0800-2000-allday followed by 2000-0600-allnight!?

blusky75

I received their mail in which They told me to espect a call in 72 hours....
2 days after They sent me an e-mail telling me They called me but were not able to reach me and that They would have tried to call again the next day...... from that day I have not received any call yet!!!!!
20 days have passed...
Am i the only one in this situation??

jupilair

BlueSky if they have tried to call you you should be able to see there number on your phone...You just have to call them back you push on 2 and you answer there questions.

But seriously is that a joke???Which qualified pilot on the 737 with a certain amount of hours will pay even one cent to get an interview, especially now when so much companies around the world offer free interview with most of the time flights, Hotac and sometimes food???
It's time that somebody help seriously the HR of FD...