fly2AK

Well despite what you all say it sounds a lot like most low fare setups these days but with nice new aircraft and good money. I have applied twice with 2 different emails( I was not current the first time and no way to update application), I have 9000 hours of which 8000 on 737s and havent heard a word. Is there any way to follow up an application, ie email address or phone number?

This is a quote from "wacked" on page 31 and seems to be the consenses of the European low cost airline pilots. You will also hear references to Southwest as well and FD being the Southwest of the middle east. FD is so far from the Southwest culture it isn't even funny. SW from day 1 has made employees the number one priority above their customers. They can do this because they know if they take care of their employees, the employees will be happy. Happy employees are motivated and caring and in turn will pass on that good hospitality onto their passengers. This creates happy passengers, happy passengers make repeat passengers. Repeat service makes good business and good business makes money.
Southwest has been around for 39 years and have made profits for the last 37 of those years. Pilots are the happiest in the industry right now and from the many friends I know there average 16 - 17 days off a month and fly 80 - 90 hrs a month. They all love their job and are treated and paid very well. The SW pilots are the highest paid 737 pilots in the world. SW operates 544 737's and this happens smoothly because the employees make it happen.
Now let's talk about Virgin America and Allegiant. Although they are not the highest paid they do compare in QOL. VA junior line holders are getting 16+ days off a month same as Allegiant with up to 19 days off a month and still flying 80-90 hrs a month. All these companies have preferential bidding. Some guys have a string of 10 days off a month.
Jet blue another low cost with happy people (minus on flight attendant). The point is it works, keep your people happy and the company will operate efficiently and with less hassles to deal with. I disagree with FD being the best low cost out there. However for the Europeans that might be the case, I have heard the stories of the European low cost carriers and I just ask, why did you put up with that for so long? The poing to take away from the posters on this board is there are unhappy people and there are the happy people. You have to listen to the facts that are presented to you, generally by the unhappy people and decide if this is the job for you. The happy people usually only post opinions and not much fact. Listen to the fact and decide. Unfortunately, if you are thinking of coming and hoping or expecting change, then you are feeding a vicious circle in the effect that as long as people are coming with the current conditions here and the pay nothing will change. It will only change if it has too, so as long as pilots come and pilots stay to fly their airplanes, life at FD will remain the same. Best of luck with your decision on FD and remember FD is not the SW of the desert . Their only similarity is they both fly B737's and SW has many more of those and many more people happy enough there to make SW their one and only career airline. Disclaimer "I didn't have time to proof read so excuse the spelling or grammer errors" Thank you for your cooperation!

8ah

Motivation = 80% of production........

Been counters ... Go figure why ....

BurDubaiBob

standardboeing mentioned about the poetry we sometimes recieve from our COO.

Here is an example from the 19th August instalment of our weekly update:

standardboeing

That's funny Bob, my poem read like this:-

flydubai – the Airline

I am different

I serve everyone.
I serve food and drinks.
I serve rude, obnoxious and ungrateful passengers.
I serve everyone from grandparents to camels.
I don’t have time to make distinctions.
Here, employees are second Class,
Because I am the governments airline.

I am a strange way of thinking,
Fueled by fear, skepticism, red bull and terrible crew food.
I am chronically fatigued, a timely departure from the way forward.
I am the world, but more confused than ever.
I am purely here for the money.

I am flydubai

BurDubaiBob

And of course let us not forget the punitive & oppressive attitude that emanates from within the flydubai's Flight Safety Department, a department that is headed-up by an onerous weasel of a man. Someone who engenders ZERO RESPECT FROM ANY PILOT WITHIN THE COMPANY! A man for who, upon inspection of his FAA license, it can be revealed that his only Type Rating is held as a 'CPL' - not ATPL - aboard a military transport aircraft, with no FAA record of him ever having been type-rated as a Commander / ATPL of a Public Transport jet.

For our JAA Licensed readers: the USA FAA do not require a F/O to be Type Rated, whereas Captains must be Type-Rated, at ATPL level.

And if you don't believe me on this, do go ahead and look it up on the FAA's pilot certification website. First login to this site and fill in the details here and then click on this link or copy paste it into your web address field. With regards to a FAA type rating: C/ = Commercial pilot and L-300 = a stretched ‘civilian’ version of the Lockeed C-141. Note that this information is freely available within the Public Domain - rather than being anything to do with Walter Mitty 'Black Ops'.

Now as for this muppets supposed previous 'military credentials', being reported that he was once a Colonel in the US Air Force, a quote by Groucho Marx comes immediately to mind ( "Military Intelligence, is a contradiction is terms" ! ) and he seems a classic example of the 'Peter Principal', of someone being promoted to their innate level of incompetence! In this case, someone qualified only through having attended various 'courses' but who has no real 'hands-on' experience of the safety task he is charged with managing. He certainly doesn't fly-the-line and neither is he Type-Rated on the aircraft type that we fly.

Without doubt, the epitome of a "Yes!" man, and management no doubt love him when he suggests that places like Kabul are actually completely risk free, so much so that he'd even be willing to take his family on holiday there! Go figure? Obviously someone with little or no integrity. Some might say a cretin. The sooner this fcukwit leaves the UAE the better it will be for the company, and especially so for the integrity of the flight-safety department!

fly2AK

Just to clarify and I am not defending Mr Safety. However, under the FAA system a F/O is not PIC type rated they are SIC type rated. Previously they were not typed at all and the reason why was they never went through a command course on the airplane so they wouldn't receive a PIC type rating. The american first officers still go through a 6 week course on the aircraft to be flown and are held to the same standards as the captains but they are exempt from doing a flapless landing and performing a rapid decompresion as the flying pilot and they are not given any command leadership training. This is not meant to defend Mr. Safety. It is to clarify the first officer program in the US. The F/O's get a SIC type rating now. Anyways, the saftey culture brings cause for many concerns within the pilot group and unfortunately a lack of trust. Trust is vital to any safety program.

Alaska737

Can anyone confirm that if we don't answer the phone on a day off that we lose a days pay????? I haven't been able to substantiate that one.....

If it's not true then do we get paid when they call on a day off to change assignments??? I guess the answer to that is no, but legally doesn't it make that day a duty day????

ManaAdaSystem

Legally?

In the UAE? I think you should have stayed at home.

Alaska737

Ok! I asked for that one!!!! But, for everyone on here.......I cannot find any legal obligation to suggestion we must avail ourselves outside of duty hours.........

Given that fact we are now banned from emirates for 2 years, we still need to preserve our days off as non-contactable. This is really a ridiculous situation otherwise!!!!!

mave292

I dont suppose while they where discussing the recruitment ban with Emirates they might have considered discussing the re-enstatement of our Business Class travel ..... Think the only thing that had peoples moral up a little was the possible pay rise, thats the end of that so by the sound of it

gpu connected

Hello, just came off the emirates thread and it seems that FD has similiar problems. The question is as a european based pilot who is trying to get away from the usual grind. what options are out there?

olster

where's the Business Class?

CaptGlenQuagmire

All part of the Management propaganda to improve recruitment, as were rumours of a pay increase and improved AIMS rosters

Born_In_The_USA

Just heard some hot news from a source in the UK that FZ are going to charge all new applicants $230 (150 sterling) for the honor of having an application submitted for processing with them/CTC.
How low and cheap can you get, are FZ really that desperate to follow in the footsteps of Ryanair when this was supposed to be and sold as a Southwest Airline model.
With me having to find my own airfare aswell as application fee and non refunded will they be asking next to pay them for the first 12 months flying!!
It looks like EK should have no problems recruiting their pilot pool and FZ will now deservedly struggle with these tactics.
BITU$A

doublesector

BA are looking for DE Capts on 737 at LGW.....Amongst many things, I hear they benefit from proper staff travel too.

mave292

We had Business Class sby with Emirates however it was taken away from us, rumour has it it will be re-enstated again in the next month or so

CaptGlenQuagmire

yawn

Mave....I think the biz class is another rumour.... Like the pay review and roster improvements, etc.

(I heard that some silly chick in HR told EK that biz class was not req'd for FD employees, EK now reluctant to give it back! Is that true? )

Why increase pay?people are still joining. Why improve rosters ? Your welfare makes no difference to FD while the flights go ontime.

The latest news is that prospective candidates have to pay for flights and accom costs for interviews... (unlike EK,EY,QY)

'C' payscale next ?

scoteros

Dear Captain Mainwaring,

You are free to express your opinion and even insult the management of FlyDubai if it makes you feeling better...

BUT

For your information some pilots at FlyDubai are happier here than they were at their previous company...

AND

Pilots are still queueing for interview...

So stay where you are and please don't change your mind

young nasty man

Could someone tell what the difference between the A scale and the B scale? Both Capt and F/O?

scoteros

The first group of pilots who joined the company at the start ( around 40 ) are on the A scale then all the pilots joining after were allocated the B scale ( around 10% less than the A scale )

This apply for both Captains and First Officers.

Despite some rumors , there is no official announcement that this will change in the near future.