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I've mentioned this before.
The industry right now is such that it doesn't really matter whether you stay or go as far a job availability goes. It's ALL good.
After testing the market whilst on leave, I was surprised to have to decline interviews which presented themselves as quickly as a day after applying online for some jobs.
There's lots of jobs out there and I believe this will be the case for some time yet, judging the expansion rate of some airlines. If anything, a pilot shortage crisis is looming.
There is no risk any way you look at it Trader. Staying? Great. Enjoy payrises, less hassle especially for families, no proving yourself in another airline, familiarity etc etc.
Leaving? Still great. Create payrises where you left, better planes, more money, more destinations etc etc.
Right now, we have that luxury. Lets not get into a leave/stay bunfight. It's all very immature and creates undue stress where there shouldn't be any.
What you're really after is what works best for you and family (if you've got one) in every way.
Best wishes in your decisions ,friends.
The industry right now is such that it doesn't really matter whether you stay or go as far a job availability goes. It's ALL good.
After testing the market whilst on leave, I was surprised to have to decline interviews which presented themselves as quickly as a day after applying online for some jobs.
There's lots of jobs out there and I believe this will be the case for some time yet, judging the expansion rate of some airlines. If anything, a pilot shortage crisis is looming.
There is no risk any way you look at it Trader. Staying? Great. Enjoy payrises, less hassle especially for families, no proving yourself in another airline, familiarity etc etc.
Leaving? Still great. Create payrises where you left, better planes, more money, more destinations etc etc.
Right now, we have that luxury. Lets not get into a leave/stay bunfight. It's all very immature and creates undue stress where there shouldn't be any.
What you're really after is what works best for you and family (if you've got one) in every way.
Best wishes in your decisions ,friends.
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Trader, well said buddy.
I may be employed with Gulf Air but I work for my family. Their future constitude what comes next. Gulf Air has been great to me and my family with ALL its ups and downs. I too going to Emirates in November, but I can proudly tell all of you that it sure was the greatest Honor to be part of Long dominating airline like GULF AIR. I am sincerly happy for all my fellow co-workers getting a well overdue salary and respect which they worked hard for.
I am also man enough to say here on this public forum that if some day I am holding second to depart behind a Gulf Air plane I will have tears in my eyes and will re-live the joy of working with all the captain, CSM, CM, FA, ground staff, BAS and even the warm smile of Zamzam, Nahid, Abbass, Hamida, etc.
It was time well spent, Thank you Gulf Air for helping me with the next job and career advancment, I just hope that I contributed enough in you during the past two years as you did in mine.
I may be employed with Gulf Air but I work for my family. Their future constitude what comes next. Gulf Air has been great to me and my family with ALL its ups and downs. I too going to Emirates in November, but I can proudly tell all of you that it sure was the greatest Honor to be part of Long dominating airline like GULF AIR. I am sincerly happy for all my fellow co-workers getting a well overdue salary and respect which they worked hard for.
I am also man enough to say here on this public forum that if some day I am holding second to depart behind a Gulf Air plane I will have tears in my eyes and will re-live the joy of working with all the captain, CSM, CM, FA, ground staff, BAS and even the warm smile of Zamzam, Nahid, Abbass, Hamida, etc.
It was time well spent, Thank you Gulf Air for helping me with the next job and career advancment, I just hope that I contributed enough in you during the past two years as you did in mine.
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Very nice bus tie,
nice to see somebody who appreciates the opportunity GF has given all of us... coming from one of many who languished in the turboprop ghetto for many years in Bahrain, we all aspired to strap the Golden Falcon on for a block, then finally with 10.000+hrs and time on type, no non-jet or on rated accepted then, we finally had the opportunity, only to share the flt deck with a bunch of denigrating 2000hr kids, who would bitch if you hung them with a new rope.(a recruitment experiment gone wrong) and show no appreciation for the opportunity GF afforded them...good luck to those who move on, and the same to those who stay the course..we all have our motives...but never forget where you came from...very well said Bus tie
nice to see somebody who appreciates the opportunity GF has given all of us... coming from one of many who languished in the turboprop ghetto for many years in Bahrain, we all aspired to strap the Golden Falcon on for a block, then finally with 10.000+hrs and time on type, no non-jet or on rated accepted then, we finally had the opportunity, only to share the flt deck with a bunch of denigrating 2000hr kids, who would bitch if you hung them with a new rope.(a recruitment experiment gone wrong) and show no appreciation for the opportunity GF afforded them...good luck to those who move on, and the same to those who stay the course..we all have our motives...but never forget where you came from...very well said Bus tie
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Sal-e - I agree - though if you look at my history of posts I think I have always been even keeled and, even in my complaints about GF, have tread the high road. The fact is I LIKE GF!! My reason for leaving are clear and I will miss my friends and the people I work with.
GF greatest asset is its small size. It is nice looking at your roster and knowing the Captain and some FA's that your are flying with will head out for a nice dinner and a few drinks.
I agree that there are jobs everywhere. The problem with our industry is that it is seniority driven. Waiting a year or two (if you are an FO) means at least that long less in the left seat somewhere and the loss of that income. Worst case it means you miss the boat on an upgrade by even longer should things slow down. And, at some point, they will slow down.
That was the deciding point for me. In my mid 30's I have less time to make a mistake in my career decision making. So I went for, what I hope, is the stable choice with the opportunities.
Perhaps I am jaded but I have friends, some at GF actually, who were hired behind me by only about 6 months - 2 jobs ago. I saw a left seat at BOTH company's prior to GF and they saw only the right. In total earnings over that time they lost out on about $130,000 in income plus the command time that came with it. Just plane (pun intended) bad luck but I know seniority can make a huge difference and so "I takes my chances" now as opposed to later.
But you are dead right - time will tell and, hopefully, we will all end our careers, wherever that may be, happy with the decisions we made. Despite the bitching on these forums I am pretty confident we all want the same thing - to make decent money, enjoy our jobs and feed our families.
GF greatest asset is its small size. It is nice looking at your roster and knowing the Captain and some FA's that your are flying with will head out for a nice dinner and a few drinks.
I agree that there are jobs everywhere. The problem with our industry is that it is seniority driven. Waiting a year or two (if you are an FO) means at least that long less in the left seat somewhere and the loss of that income. Worst case it means you miss the boat on an upgrade by even longer should things slow down. And, at some point, they will slow down.
That was the deciding point for me. In my mid 30's I have less time to make a mistake in my career decision making. So I went for, what I hope, is the stable choice with the opportunities.
Perhaps I am jaded but I have friends, some at GF actually, who were hired behind me by only about 6 months - 2 jobs ago. I saw a left seat at BOTH company's prior to GF and they saw only the right. In total earnings over that time they lost out on about $130,000 in income plus the command time that came with it. Just plane (pun intended) bad luck but I know seniority can make a huge difference and so "I takes my chances" now as opposed to later.
But you are dead right - time will tell and, hopefully, we will all end our careers, wherever that may be, happy with the decisions we made. Despite the bitching on these forums I am pretty confident we all want the same thing - to make decent money, enjoy our jobs and feed our families.
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Overtime
Stratosphere Check exactly before you post.
Overtime in Ey is not 80 hours it is above 160 hours in two months.
this way they can still make you work 90 and 70 and you get nothing.
Check all equations a lot of sums to do.
Overtime in Ey is not 80 hours it is above 160 hours in two months.
this way they can still make you work 90 and 70 and you get nothing.
Check all equations a lot of sums to do.
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I am sure we all recieved the letter from Mr Naf outlining the new package. It did not say when this new deal would be paid. I have sent an email to the address stipulated in the letter and suprisingly 'no reply'. Can anyone through some light on the matter?
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...then, we finally had the opportunity, only to share the flt deck with a bunch of denigrating 2000hr kids, who would bitch if you hung them with a new rope.(a recruitment experiment gone wrong) and show no appreciation for the opportunity GF afforded them...good luck to those who move on
Oh and who the hell is your "kid"?
Recruitment experience gone wrong...
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Well I agree I have no right to criticise any poster here, and pls accept my apologies,...but in the same respect, many who were given an opportunity by GF now come on the internet hiding behind an anonymous "nickname" stab in the back the very organization who gave them the opportunity to advance their careers...nothing is perfect in this world...GF, and myself far from it...but...what is to be gained by accentuating the the negative aspects of one's experiences here...if you want to post your feelings or experiences with any employer here on the website please do so..thats why Pprune exists...have a nice day ..."my ass" yes that's where you will probably find your head
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MasterArmOn,
I'm quite annoyed at you 'single' posters, coming in on your very FIRST post with guns blazing. That must epitomize your character...nothing to contribute and bagging others at the very first opportunity.
There ARE some low houred guys who fail to appreciate how lucky they are.
I'm quite annoyed at you 'single' posters, coming in on your very FIRST post with guns blazing. That must epitomize your character...nothing to contribute and bagging others at the very first opportunity.
There ARE some low houred guys who fail to appreciate how lucky they are.
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Low houred guys aren't "lucky", that's a load of crap. They are providing a service to the company same as any of the rest of us. Their level of experience dictates that that they perform that service as an F/O however they are still performing a service for the company for which they get paid. Hardly makes them lucky, just doing their job same as anyone else.
Tired of hearing it's a priviledge to be employed for someone...just ain't so. The company isn't doing you any favors, they need someone to fill the position and you met the requirements regardless of your overall experience. Pilots provide the service to the company, not the other way around.
Tired of hearing it's a priviledge to be employed for someone...just ain't so. The company isn't doing you any favors, they need someone to fill the position and you met the requirements regardless of your overall experience. Pilots provide the service to the company, not the other way around.
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MasterArmOn,
I'm quite annoyed at you 'single' posters, coming in on your very FIRST post with guns blazing. That must epitomize your character...nothing to contribute and bagging others at the very first opportunity.
There ARE some low houred guys who fail to appreciate how lucky they are.
I'm quite annoyed at you 'single' posters, coming in on your very FIRST post with guns blazing. That must epitomize your character...nothing to contribute and bagging others at the very first opportunity.
There ARE some low houred guys who fail to appreciate how lucky they are.
. Go figure Einstein.
have a nice day ..."my ass" yes that's where you will probably find your head
Time to go log my last flight... Well, how about that, tallying up to 3673.2 hours now. I guess I'm amongst the wrong crowd. Better get out before their ego's start affecting their health.
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HEY IB, who **** in your cornflakes this morning? Had a rough night? I understand you want people to appreciate GF but taking a run at "low timers" is not the way to go. I was hired with many guys at various levels of experience and to be honest most of the bitching is coming from the more experienced FO's in my group anyways. Yes some people are not appreciative. But just casue you "had it rough" dont piss all over my parade!!!!
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Master First officer
You must be one those first officer who after each flight calls his friends and tells them how he saved the day.
wait my friend till you get your 4 bars and then you will realize that being a commander is much more than just setting up the MCDU in 30 seconds.
You must be one those first officer who after each flight calls his friends and tells them how he saved the day.
wait my friend till you get your 4 bars and then you will realize that being a commander is much more than just setting up the MCDU in 30 seconds.
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After all these disputes to prove who are the best FO or CP...
, let's resume the subject! Does anybody have any information about the new package? When it will be on our payslip, October, November?
, let's resume the subject! Does anybody have any information about the new package? When it will be on our payslip, October, November?