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If this package did anything to address the major trouble the airline is in it might be worth something. Fact is GF is in the crapper up to it's neck and has somehow gone from losing $1000000 a day a threat of 1500 job cuts and a 25% fleet reduction, to a 70% pay rise!!! It's not rocket science to figure out somebody is either lying to us or digging a deeper hole for the airline. Either way it's bad news and I for one do not want to be part of their experiment. If you have a job offer elsewhere take it and enjoy watching the fun and games from afar. Mr Naff is not to be trusted and is still contradicting himself with every communication to crew. It's one lie after another. For those who decide to stay, accept the increase as danger money.
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Stop this crap.
An Air France 'Commandant de Bord' (Captain) will get a maximum of 15000€ per month which is equivalent to approx. 7-8000 BHD
An Air France 'Officier Pilote de Ligne' (FO) will get a maximum of 8000€ per month which is equivalent to approx. 4-5000 BHD
So the GF new package is competitive, especially if you don't forget that Bahrain is way cheaper than Paris, Dubai or Hong Kong.
BD
An Air France 'Commandant de Bord' (Captain) will get a maximum of 15000€ per month which is equivalent to approx. 7-8000 BHD
An Air France 'Officier Pilote de Ligne' (FO) will get a maximum of 8000€ per month which is equivalent to approx. 4-5000 BHD
So the GF new package is competitive, especially if you don't forget that Bahrain is way cheaper than Paris, Dubai or Hong Kong.
BD
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I strongly second the above statement (jack's). Naf has not addressed the most serious concerns we had, namely where this airline is going, which prompted us to look for employment elsewhere.
Effectively all he has done here is put the airline in a worse financial situation than before.
If I were a contract pilot I would be elated but I'm a career man with a family and I dont trust this "management" as far as I can throw them.
Effectively all he has done here is put the airline in a worse financial situation than before.
If I were a contract pilot I would be elated but I'm a career man with a family and I dont trust this "management" as far as I can throw them.
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GOOD LUCK allof you looking for jobs elsewhere.
Hope u allfind better places and your career flourishes.
mentioning air France and all other majors they are no go items .
Try get into them you will see that Gf startning salaries are bette
Hope u allfind better places and your career flourishes.
mentioning air France and all other majors they are no go items .
Try get into them you will see that Gf startning salaries are bette
Well done boys and girls of Gulf Air, well deserved. A pity it took the loss of a lot of your fellow Pilot's to force the company into paying more.
Laker:--- At Cx we do get payed more..........BUT I pay tax here, and the cost of living is way way more than Bahrain.
I always buy meat from the Bahrain mall to bring back to HK, it's about half the price of HK. ( as just one example )
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i'm all for 'state of the aircrafts' danger money. bit of adventure wadaya say eh? that's probably the only real 'danger' we face at gf. hopefully, nothing too damaging will eventuate.
the fact that i made that statement should surely wake management up that it is bordering on a real a present danger.
so yeah, i'll stay for the bucks. but it doesn't alleviate them of their responsibility to make the fleet safe.
the fact that i made that statement should surely wake management up that it is bordering on a real a present danger.
so yeah, i'll stay for the bucks. but it doesn't alleviate them of their responsibility to make the fleet safe.
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there are safer aircrafts out there and there are FAR safer aircrafts out there. we ain't either.
.....and i like the way you're detracting away from the issue. that is another issue. must you really know?
.....and i like the way you're detracting away from the issue. that is another issue. must you really know?
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i believe i've answered your question.
the other question. why do i fly them? i do when i feel they're safe enough, and i don't when i'm not comfortable. i'm obligated contractually to do that to the best of my professional ability and i hope you are too.
my questions to you are:
1. are you happy with the state of the aircrafts?
2. do you think they can do more to improve the serviceability of the aircrafts?
3. why the defensive stance with GF's aging fleet? are you happy to see one fall apart inflight before declaring them unsafe? have you seen write-ups such as moderate to severe airframe vibrations whose only response from engineering for the last 8 months was 'report further'?
do tell me you are supremely confident of the integrity of our engineering department, especially after the rusty 767 debarcle!!! do tell me there hasn't been any coverups regarding that mess!
it's funny in GF when someone raises a flag or alarm, that person becomes the target and not the issue he raised that flag for. the manner in which you posted convinced me that you are part of management in some capacity.
the other question. why do i fly them? i do when i feel they're safe enough, and i don't when i'm not comfortable. i'm obligated contractually to do that to the best of my professional ability and i hope you are too.
my questions to you are:
1. are you happy with the state of the aircrafts?
2. do you think they can do more to improve the serviceability of the aircrafts?
3. why the defensive stance with GF's aging fleet? are you happy to see one fall apart inflight before declaring them unsafe? have you seen write-ups such as moderate to severe airframe vibrations whose only response from engineering for the last 8 months was 'report further'?
do tell me you are supremely confident of the integrity of our engineering department, especially after the rusty 767 debarcle!!! do tell me there hasn't been any coverups regarding that mess!
it's funny in GF when someone raises a flag or alarm, that person becomes the target and not the issue he raised that flag for. the manner in which you posted convinced me that you are part of management in some capacity.
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The aircraft as such are safe, otherwise they would be grounded but I think what brassplate is saying is that in the state they are in they give the crew a certain level of stress. Stress is a frame of mind that certainly does not promote safety.
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Anyone notice recently how quiet that Kooheji character has gone..........wonder if someone told him to shut 
his tr@p finally because every time he opens it he causes more resignations
his tr@p finally because every time he opens it he causes more resignations
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nope, not angry. indifferent.
how do you want to quantify this then?
our fleet is safer than the average african nations old generation fleet, but not safer than one straight out of the factory OR
on a scale of one to 10, the average would get a 4 from me OR etc etc...
make a suggestion on how to discuss this because out of the numerous issues at GF, this (not pay) should have been the most pressing!!!
how do you want to quantify this then?
our fleet is safer than the average african nations old generation fleet, but not safer than one straight out of the factory OR
on a scale of one to 10, the average would get a 4 from me OR etc etc...
make a suggestion on how to discuss this because out of the numerous issues at GF, this (not pay) should have been the most pressing!!!
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I agree Touk - but you have to take housing out since at least in the US you can buy a home and pay it off. In fact that is more valuable than paying rent in BAH. Yes you can buy a house in BAH but they are overpriced, the interest is ridiculous and the quality poor. Never mind the region of the world it is in an the inherant risk with that.
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Stop this crap.
An Air France 'Commandant de Bord' (Captain) will get a maximum of 15000€ per month which is equivalent to approx. 7-8000 BHD
An Air France 'Officier Pilote de Ligne' (FO) will get a maximum of 8000€ per month which is equivalent to approx. 4-5000 BHD
So the GF new package is competitive, especially if you don't forget that Bahrain is way cheaper than Paris, Dubai or Hong Kong.
BD
BD,
Hey I'm not trying to spread lies here. I just had lunch with an Air France captain who has been a good family friend for the last 15 years or so. We were comparing salaries as I'm a Us Airways A320 FO and he told me that he makes 20,000 Euros per month flying 65-80 hours as an A330/340 Captain. Who knows maybe he lied...? I doubt it. He's also an instructor so maybe his instructor status gives him an extra 5,000 Euros. I don't know?
Congratulations on the pay raise everyone! A move in the right direction. Maybe it will catch on in the US where our pay has been stagnating for years...
An Air France 'Commandant de Bord' (Captain) will get a maximum of 15000€ per month which is equivalent to approx. 7-8000 BHD
An Air France 'Officier Pilote de Ligne' (FO) will get a maximum of 8000€ per month which is equivalent to approx. 4-5000 BHD
So the GF new package is competitive, especially if you don't forget that Bahrain is way cheaper than Paris, Dubai or Hong Kong.
BD
BD,
Hey I'm not trying to spread lies here. I just had lunch with an Air France captain who has been a good family friend for the last 15 years or so. We were comparing salaries as I'm a Us Airways A320 FO and he told me that he makes 20,000 Euros per month flying 65-80 hours as an A330/340 Captain. Who knows maybe he lied...? I doubt it. He's also an instructor so maybe his instructor status gives him an extra 5,000 Euros. I don't know?
Congratulations on the pay raise everyone! A move in the right direction. Maybe it will catch on in the US where our pay has been stagnating for years...
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Can we trust BN?
I agree with JB. BN already proved he doesnt deserve to be trusted. He says things that are not true and thats why he didnt want to allow anyone to question him in the "pay rise announcement" meeting. For example: How GF will upgrade 30 to 40 FOs per year based on retiring CPs if the retirement age has been increased and NOBODY wil reach that age in the next 2 years? Why they didnt write in the new pay scales paper when we will be getting the "promised" salary? He said it would be in Nov, back dated. The question is: Will BN be here in Nov? Even if he will,wont he change his mind(remember the 767/320 bond issue?).If they were serious why not write it down, so we can claim it in the future? I bet he is only buying time and we will only see this new package in 2008 and not backdated. Hope I am wrong.
P.S. - Sorry for any spelling or grammar error, please dont change the topic if I made any mistake.
P.S. - Sorry for any spelling or grammar error, please dont change the topic if I made any mistake.
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Guess you are totally right bird dog. Really think BN is just buying time and nothing else. 1st of all, really doubt GF has the money to make such an increase and 2nd of all, if they really have the capacity to do this, why to wait until november to make it effective????????
I believe they want to make us stay a little bit longer, wait until EY, EK and QR fill their opening positions and then, come out with some kind of big fat lie (as always) and what is gonna happen then, all of us who naively decided to stay and believe all their crap will find out that good jobs are no longer available. Anyway, just waiting for the green light in Etihad and I'm gone without hesitation. Good luck dudes!
I believe they want to make us stay a little bit longer, wait until EY, EK and QR fill their opening positions and then, come out with some kind of big fat lie (as always) and what is gonna happen then, all of us who naively decided to stay and believe all their crap will find out that good jobs are no longer available. Anyway, just waiting for the green light in Etihad and I'm gone without hesitation. Good luck dudes!
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Desert storm and bird dog,
what is it with you guys? Can't you let the guy prove himself first? Sure he has made a couple of mistakes which had little consequence but you're pre-judging him already.
Only mafia types will be out to get him, the ones who stand to lose something.
what is it with you guys? Can't you let the guy prove himself first? Sure he has made a couple of mistakes which had little consequence but you're pre-judging him already.
Only mafia types will be out to get him, the ones who stand to lose something.