All GF B767's indefinitely grounded!!!!!!
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ODMEA - you are spot on.
The issue with GF is that we have too many nationals just not doing anything. And it does not get better the higher you go in the organisation, infact the useless ones are those with Manager/Head/VP title.
There is a small percentage who are truely professionals and will work hard for the airline, even if it means working in their own personal time. But unfortunately these are in a small minority. The vast treat GF as a pastime (many have other interests) and only want the pension and staff travel.
Just see the going's on in the morning. You can see people coming in, stop the car, swipe in and then off - and not to their desk.
And you know its 2 O'clock on a Thursday as you can see the traffic jam to exit the pink palace. Walk around at 2.15pm on a Thursday and all you see is a few nationals (mainly shift workers or those dedicated as mentioned above) and expat staff.
So if this is the atitude of the HQ staff, does this not trickle down the chain to nationals working elsewhere, including ensuring the planes are safe to operate ?
Back to the B767 issue !
All 767's grounded until 24th March. Some have bad corrosion and will be in the hangar in DUB UFN.
Others may get fixed but will be used as back-up.
This is a very serious time for GF. It will be only a matter of time before the wider world hears about this and then you hit this period of passengers asking is it really safe to fly GF ? Then plane's fly empty and you are forced to put out cheap fares to fill and you get full planes but making no money.
The issue with GF is that we have too many nationals just not doing anything. And it does not get better the higher you go in the organisation, infact the useless ones are those with Manager/Head/VP title.
There is a small percentage who are truely professionals and will work hard for the airline, even if it means working in their own personal time. But unfortunately these are in a small minority. The vast treat GF as a pastime (many have other interests) and only want the pension and staff travel.
Just see the going's on in the morning. You can see people coming in, stop the car, swipe in and then off - and not to their desk.
And you know its 2 O'clock on a Thursday as you can see the traffic jam to exit the pink palace. Walk around at 2.15pm on a Thursday and all you see is a few nationals (mainly shift workers or those dedicated as mentioned above) and expat staff.
So if this is the atitude of the HQ staff, does this not trickle down the chain to nationals working elsewhere, including ensuring the planes are safe to operate ?
Back to the B767 issue !
All 767's grounded until 24th March. Some have bad corrosion and will be in the hangar in DUB UFN.
Others may get fixed but will be used as back-up.
This is a very serious time for GF. It will be only a matter of time before the wider world hears about this and then you hit this period of passengers asking is it really safe to fly GF ? Then plane's fly empty and you are forced to put out cheap fares to fill and you get full planes but making no money.
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No retraction on A340 Opreating into KTM. Check GF404/409 mct-ktm-bah , flight already landed and departed back........training going on , for KTM ops. BOYS ON B767, stop dreaming XFRING to A340/A330, it is still early.
(THIS is your way of writing we discuss about 767 and you are talking about fleet transfer)
if you are senior Capt. or Jr. capt i do not care, you have to respect what do you mean ( stop dreaming ) well you wrote before you are part of the useless management ( are you the chapeeeeeeeeeee and with side hair mr H.,
you did not say if what i wrote is true or not . you are talking about respect , i am not getting high i M NORMAL PERSON I READ your lovely
writing , you were X GRD ENGE. or no
back to 767 subject
(THIS is your way of writing we discuss about 767 and you are talking about fleet transfer)
if you are senior Capt. or Jr. capt i do not care, you have to respect what do you mean ( stop dreaming ) well you wrote before you are part of the useless management ( are you the chapeeeeeeeeeee and with side hair mr H.,
you did not say if what i wrote is true or not . you are talking about respect , i am not getting high i M NORMAL PERSON I READ your lovely
writing , you were X GRD ENGE. or no
back to 767 subject
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Stop fighting, guys!!!
We are all in this together, and the friends flying the busses should just be thankful, their planes haven't been around long enough for something like this to happen.
The fact is: GF just haven't got the maintenanceculture, that these planes were designed to be surrounded by, be that Boeing or Airbus.
That more than half of the staff in the Pink Palace could be gone tomorrow...with all the work still being done, that's another issue, which maybe belongs to a thread of it's own.
If anyone would bark over 767 guys getting on the 340 in front of other guys, then don't forget also to bark over 340 guys getting a 767 command in front of others.
Most of us had a choice of fleet, when we joined. For better and for worse...but right now it's just for worse.
Does anybody really think, our situation is ever going to improve down here, by fighting each other, at times when solidarity is needed?
Keep our focus on the ball, fellas..
We are all in this together, and the friends flying the busses should just be thankful, their planes haven't been around long enough for something like this to happen.
The fact is: GF just haven't got the maintenanceculture, that these planes were designed to be surrounded by, be that Boeing or Airbus.
That more than half of the staff in the Pink Palace could be gone tomorrow...with all the work still being done, that's another issue, which maybe belongs to a thread of it's own.
If anyone would bark over 767 guys getting on the 340 in front of other guys, then don't forget also to bark over 340 guys getting a 767 command in front of others.
Most of us had a choice of fleet, when we joined. For better and for worse...but right now it's just for worse.
Does anybody really think, our situation is ever going to improve down here, by fighting each other, at times when solidarity is needed?
Keep our focus on the ball, fellas..
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Gf Fleet Maintenance By Gamco/srt
3 76's grounded. lease in's to cover shortfall. Thank GAMCO maintainance!
to your response
There are some facts which should be known with regards to GF fleet maintenance arrangement with GAMCO. GAMCO are no longer responsible for the GF fleet maintenance, SRT Switzerland are.This arrangement has taken place since the contract was signed on the 23rd of March or shortly thereafter (see write-up below from SRT Archive News). GF representative ruled Gamco with an iron fist, everything done or not at Gamco was under the specific instruction of GF. Interestingly, now the GF rep in Bahrain will not be allowed to enter the SRT office unless he knocks on the door! Well, what goes around comes around. I can tell you, when the confirmation of the GF/SRT deal surfaced there was a celebration and relief not only among the management of Gamco and the hangar staff but especially on the line. Believe me, I was there. Soon after the signing celebration party was over and everyone was sober, the Swiss saw the status of some of the GF aircraft - only then they realised what kind of deal they got themselves into!!.I will not write what the Swiss impressions were.
Having said all that, I can tell you for a fact that since the Swiss took over the maintenance contract the GF fleet is now how it should be.
to your responseThere are some facts which should be known with regards to GF fleet maintenance arrangement with GAMCO. GAMCO are no longer responsible for the GF fleet maintenance, SRT Switzerland are.This arrangement has taken place since the contract was signed on the 23rd of March or shortly thereafter (see write-up below from SRT Archive News). GF representative ruled Gamco with an iron fist, everything done or not at Gamco was under the specific instruction of GF. Interestingly, now the GF rep in Bahrain will not be allowed to enter the SRT office unless he knocks on the door! Well, what goes around comes around. I can tell you, when the confirmation of the GF/SRT deal surfaced there was a celebration and relief not only among the management of Gamco and the hangar staff but especially on the line. Believe me, I was there. Soon after the signing celebration party was over and everyone was sober, the Swiss saw the status of some of the GF aircraft - only then they realised what kind of deal they got themselves into!!.I will not write what the Swiss impressions were.
Having said all that, I can tell you for a fact that since the Swiss took over the maintenance contract the GF fleet is now how it should be.
Zurich/London-Stansted/Dublin, March 23, 2006
SR Technics Holding (“SR Technics”) has signed a Memorandum Of
Understanding (MOU) with Gulf Air, which will see SR Technics
assume total technical management for Gulf Air’s entire fleet of 34
aircraft and the phase-in of new aircraft types in a contract valued at
USD750 million over five years. In addition, the parties intend to
establish an aircraft maintenance and technical training joint venture
based in the Sultanate of Oman.
Understanding (MOU) with Gulf Air, which will see SR Technics
assume total technical management for Gulf Air’s entire fleet of 34
aircraft and the phase-in of new aircraft types in a contract valued at
USD750 million over five years. In addition, the parties intend to
establish an aircraft maintenance and technical training joint venture
based in the Sultanate of Oman.
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MMD's?
Imagine, you are a sheik. You have luxury yachts, assortment of vehicles from lunar rovers to Ferraris, beautiful sandy beaches with warm inviting waters. You never have to travel to Manama international airport because you have your own airfield with your own airline with aircraft to suit every occasion, including one dedicated to the ‘mile high club’ Aircraft to put some national fleets to shame.
Unfortunately the imperial leather was placed to many times the wrong way up and has been the cause of to many slippery forays. Now it’s time to pay the cost! Gulfair are pretty much the only thing that keeps Bahrain on the map. It’s made many a man rich and, your local fake watch seller in the souk would spit in his grave if he thought gulfair would disappear into obscurity. I will from now on refer to gulfair in lower case and gfa. So too, some of the best guys and crews in the company are looking at possible extinction. I will not the harbinger of doom but doom it will be for the poor sod that just joined the 767 fleet and doesn’t have the required hours to do contracting or other whoring work. For others it will be the opportunity they where looking for! The partying in the back of the aircraft has spoiled the fun for future slave traders.
It was made clear to gfa over 3 months ago that the corrosion on one of its aircraft was beyond limits and was grounded indefinitely, possibly written off for good on a ‘c’ check in Ireland, with only major airframe work returning to service, also that the rest of the fleet were probably in the same condition. Gfa have been trying to avoid the inevitable by sourcing out the c checks to other more ‘amiable’ engineering firms. Fortunately somebody blew the whistle and as a result the truth has now come out possibly saving the lives of at least 2 good men.
The little fat batard that kept throwing his die cast gfa 767 into the swimming pool has now realized that running an airline is no longer a sport. Rather than trade endurance horses, play desert golf, exchange Moroccan prostitutes, collect Falcons, be pimp to Saudi fun seeking royalty, and play ‘airline’ you should consider the effect of neglect and idleness that it has on thousands of lives in the kingdom. Your less than 100,000 barrels of oil a year just pays for you own private aircraft. The nation that started its well intentioned move into first world business 40 years ago ahead of other gulf states has seriously lost it’s impetuous in the last 15 years. It won’t matter about the fancy welcome to Bahrain propaganda videos you show on the flagship fleet if your modern office blocks remain empty. Manama is already disappearing into the filthy dust that no amount of landscaping can remove.
The only way to save gfa from becoming a small has been airline and keep growth stimulated in Bahrain is to stop playing God, realize your own failures and sell 51% to a western management team that will work efficiently to grow their wealth and values into the airline business. Values? Well that’s the question, stop interfering with the private lives of westerners, you can’t expect to attract investment into hypocrisy! And get a beach other than your own! It’s long term thinking, don’t let your sons become Saudi slaves!
yours,
Unfortunately the imperial leather was placed to many times the wrong way up and has been the cause of to many slippery forays. Now it’s time to pay the cost! Gulfair are pretty much the only thing that keeps Bahrain on the map. It’s made many a man rich and, your local fake watch seller in the souk would spit in his grave if he thought gulfair would disappear into obscurity. I will from now on refer to gulfair in lower case and gfa. So too, some of the best guys and crews in the company are looking at possible extinction. I will not the harbinger of doom but doom it will be for the poor sod that just joined the 767 fleet and doesn’t have the required hours to do contracting or other whoring work. For others it will be the opportunity they where looking for! The partying in the back of the aircraft has spoiled the fun for future slave traders.
It was made clear to gfa over 3 months ago that the corrosion on one of its aircraft was beyond limits and was grounded indefinitely, possibly written off for good on a ‘c’ check in Ireland, with only major airframe work returning to service, also that the rest of the fleet were probably in the same condition. Gfa have been trying to avoid the inevitable by sourcing out the c checks to other more ‘amiable’ engineering firms. Fortunately somebody blew the whistle and as a result the truth has now come out possibly saving the lives of at least 2 good men.
The little fat batard that kept throwing his die cast gfa 767 into the swimming pool has now realized that running an airline is no longer a sport. Rather than trade endurance horses, play desert golf, exchange Moroccan prostitutes, collect Falcons, be pimp to Saudi fun seeking royalty, and play ‘airline’ you should consider the effect of neglect and idleness that it has on thousands of lives in the kingdom. Your less than 100,000 barrels of oil a year just pays for you own private aircraft. The nation that started its well intentioned move into first world business 40 years ago ahead of other gulf states has seriously lost it’s impetuous in the last 15 years. It won’t matter about the fancy welcome to Bahrain propaganda videos you show on the flagship fleet if your modern office blocks remain empty. Manama is already disappearing into the filthy dust that no amount of landscaping can remove.
The only way to save gfa from becoming a small has been airline and keep growth stimulated in Bahrain is to stop playing God, realize your own failures and sell 51% to a western management team that will work efficiently to grow their wealth and values into the airline business. Values? Well that’s the question, stop interfering with the private lives of westerners, you can’t expect to attract investment into hypocrisy! And get a beach other than your own! It’s long term thinking, don’t let your sons become Saudi slaves!
yours,
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CG11.................Thanks to GF for opening the world of aviation to you , by giving you A330 rating after you was flying a turboprop. Yesterday joined want to give a right for other in fleet transfer.....no , as i said i am not against any one here, but at the end we have to respect SR People in transfering the fleet . As i said B767 will be on line from 24 march onwards.......every one relax i do not need to show off.....and i know who i am.....showing of it is yours
, just read your privious post and see who was showing off ( i am flying A330
)
, as i said i am not against any one here, but at the end we have to respect SR People in transfering the fleet . As i said B767 will be on line from 24 march onwards.......every one relax i do not need to show off.....and i know who i am.....showing of it is yours , just read your privious post and see who was showing off ( i am flying A330 )
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Gulfair sexy - you are a complete Jack..ass Do you realise it?
You are the type of fool that has only been in GF where all of us bring experience to the table !Wonder why EK dont allow locals to fly together , well now we know with such an arrogant ****.
Listen GF most definatly did not open the world of aviation to us, Neither did we all just join with Turbo prop hrs, Is a Herc 130-L100 comand ok?When you showed up with cherokee comand time!! Then 737, and 767s?? Dude you flew pisscats before you joined GF with no airline experience world background.Please you make us laugh
STOP BLOWING YOU HORN GET BACK TO 767 ISSUE,
Had to write this because you work on my nerves !!! Sorry guys
You are the type of fool that has only been in GF where all of us bring experience to the table !Wonder why EK dont allow locals to fly together , well now we know with such an arrogant ****.
Listen GF most definatly did not open the world of aviation to us, Neither did we all just join with Turbo prop hrs, Is a Herc 130-L100 comand ok?When you showed up with cherokee comand time!! Then 737, and 767s?? Dude you flew pisscats before you joined GF with no airline experience world background.Please you make us laugh
STOP BLOWING YOU HORN GET BACK TO 767 ISSUE,
Had to write this because you work on my nerves !!! Sorry guys
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This thread is about B767's
Can we steer this back to the B767's please ?
Ok, I did my bit of ear-bashing about nationals, and so have a few others - time to move on (or start another thread if the moderator allows it).
Ok, I did my bit of ear-bashing about nationals, and so have a few others - time to move on (or start another thread if the moderator allows it).
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so, all the crew will set at home with no additional allowance . only fix allowance and baisic salary and it is not your mistake ....
they should think about paying technical allowance .
B767 future ?
who is responsable for all this problems .
they should think about paying technical allowance .
B767 future ?
who is responsable for all this problems .
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Calm Down Dear It Is Only A 767
I am astonished at the way this thread started concerning the grounding of the B767, and how it has progressed from fleet grounding, and then to fleet swapping, exchange of insults, to attacks on the locals. Quite frankly I think the discussion should be reserved to the 767 grounding impact on your livelihood and the future of the 767 pilots.
Some major defect history for those pilots who flew the 747 classic & 747 400 - how the pylon pin shearing affected the aircraft which caused the El Al crash, or the mode 41 cracking, or the 737 rudder actuator and those who flew 320, 330 & 340 should be very familiar with rib 5 & rib 6 cracking. I remember how Airbus went into chaos mode not knowing what to do when they didn't even have sufficient parts or tools to carry out the repairs. I never heard or saw a pilot raging with insults against Airbus or their company management, or against the locals for that matter. If I had 1 dinar for every aircraft which had a major maintenance defect, I would have retired by now.
I think all of you guys should take a deep breath and salam
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Boys... and I use the term as intended,,,,,
Nobody here really cares if you fly a kite or the shuttle. You're missing the point and totally evading the issue at hand.
Please can we return to the thread and supply a little constructive input.
Shanks very mush!
Nobody here really cares if you fly a kite or the shuttle. You're missing the point and totally evading the issue at hand.
Please can we return to the thread and supply a little constructive input.
Shanks very mush!
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Play nicely now
quote: i can tell by now from which background u r?????
my friend you do not like it leave it......why you accepted to work for arab ? go back to your country and relax there. endquote
Gee haven't heard that for a while
I was interested in reading about the 767 problems, couldn't we just concentrate on that?
my friend you do not like it leave it......why you accepted to work for arab ? go back to your country and relax there. endquote
Gee haven't heard that for a while
I was interested in reading about the 767 problems, couldn't we just concentrate on that?
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Hi
Mr. VPO is back from BKK and his friend HOGO i wonder why VPO and his Friend were involved in ............... it was lesson for them but i think they do not care maybe they are supported .
because passanger life it is not a game , and crew life as well.
i stopped my family to fly on GF flights
and i got a job with other airline in middle east . i was happy to be with GFA but they are not proffisional .
767 pilots are they going to stay at home UFN or even if they bring 3 A/C in service still they will not fly much.
good luck guys with GF for me i will leave by few months from now .
767 future is unknown , for gulfair sexy enjoy 330/ 340 .
if one senior management staff were flying 767 they would mantain the A/C ..
Mr. VPO is back from BKK and his friend HOGO i wonder why VPO and his Friend were involved in ............... it was lesson for them but i think they do not care maybe they are supported .
because passanger life it is not a game , and crew life as well.
i stopped my family to fly on GF flights
and i got a job with other airline in middle east . i was happy to be with GFA but they are not proffisional .
767 pilots are they going to stay at home UFN or even if they bring 3 A/C in service still they will not fly much.
good luck guys with GF for me i will leave by few months from now .
767 future is unknown , for gulfair sexy enjoy 330/ 340 .
if one senior management staff were flying 767 they would mantain the A/C ..
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Take A Hint
This website is not really for people to slag each other, I could appreciate that some of the remarks made by other PPRUNE members on this thread might have been offensive toward the locals or GF Management or taken the wrong way. At the end of the day if you do not have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all. As for some remarks from the locals might have upset some of the expats "If you do not like it go home", I wonder how many times I heard the Brits, Aussies or the Europeans say the same thing to foreigners in their countries!!!!! The world is a very small place, especially the aviation world.
Lets kiss and make up alright!!?? We are all grown ups and professionals.
Incidentally any news with regards to the grounded B767 status??? does any one know what is actually caused this situation?? No Rumours please just fact.
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why?
Jackbaur says:
3 76's grounded. lease in's to cover shortfall. Thank GAMCO maintainance!
Let's face it boys there has been some huge cover up on this, it should be investigated, although I know it wont be, and management will come out smelling of roses! Unfortunatly we can discuss whether coffee or pee caused the corrosion till the pigs come home, but fundamentally it does go beyond corrosion physics and down to people. However directly involved, a large amount of people responsible for managing the aircraft maintenance has been involved in short term and poor descision making. this is from desk managers and line inspectors. Now we can really see lack of proffesionalism. Not failing to carry your hat with you, or that famous 'brining the company's name into disrepute' line
The corrosion started a long time ago with management that evades culpability for anything.
I feel sorry for the senior F/O's who are now going to lose there commands/seniority. You will all see there are lots of possibilities.
Anyone can give me the identity of JB? PM me! I will gladly make sure he will have to invest in the same technology as Stephan Hawking to air his rubbish here again.
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well let see how much they will inject well they did it before , but where is the moneny . lets face the problem and talk facts not just an anger talk .
GF will never improve all the good managers will leave, AQP manager, HOFO, well i do not know if Sanje will leave but i saw him and he is nice person. who left few proffisional and thats it,
A330/340 CP he is very unproffisional , i went to se him once and he is not welcoming us why, and he is picky, and need to go under a course for att.
well then tell me who will be left , GF unfortunatly going from airline with 57years in the market to an airline with 57days in the market and down in africa.
GF need to change all the ops. managers and heads as well as VPs
GF will never improve all the good managers will leave, AQP manager, HOFO, well i do not know if Sanje will leave but i saw him and he is nice person. who left few proffisional and thats it,
A330/340 CP he is very unproffisional , i went to se him once and he is not welcoming us why, and he is picky, and need to go under a course for att.
well then tell me who will be left , GF unfortunatly going from airline with 57years in the market to an airline with 57days in the market and down in africa.
GF need to change all the ops. managers and heads as well as VPs
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CG11,
Correction to your information; AQP manager is staying, he withdrawn his resignation recently.... I am sure this airline will be back on it feet again very soon , I’ve seen it in a worse situation before…. you don't have to worry about GF that much…. (you are leaving anyway!!!!!)
Correction to your information; AQP manager is staying, he withdrawn his resignation recently.... I am sure this airline will be back on it feet again very soon
, I’ve seen it in a worse situation before…. you don't have to worry about GF that much…. (you are leaving anyway!!!!!)